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Money | 11/18/2008 7:30 am

Detroit Bailout Reader Forum and General Motors 'Ripple Effect' Video

A reader forum on the proposed Detroit bailout
By The Staff at wowOwow.com

Remember the saying, "What’s good for America is good for General Motors"? This week, that notion will be put to the test as the heads of the Detroit automakers, each under extreme financial distress, sinking stock prices and showrooms full of cars that nobody is buying, meet Washington’s decision-makers to defend their request for $25 billion in bridge loans.

General Motors CEO G. Richard Wagoner Jr., Ford (F) CEO Alan Mulally and Chrysler CEO Bob Nardelli, as well as United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger, are scheduled to be heard in front of the Senate Banking Committee on Tuesday, November 18, and the House Financial Services Committee on Wednesday, November 19. 

To help influence popular opinion, General Motors, which has claimed it will run out of cash by the end of the year, released a video on YouTube that uses words and images to describe a devastating ripple effect on the rest of the country if the Detroit auto industry was allowed to go under.

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C jay
Maybe that’s on the way to El Paso, duuno, but I have seen them in California year back - not far from Half Moon Bay. The obstacle right now is getting the natural gas to the truckers, period. Again, infrastructure problems in the US are so gigantic right now, if there’s ever a serious quake, like on the west coast or the huge Midwest fault, all of the bridges are going down - their old and have not been shored up and repaired. The feds started bringing in the bridge designer and civil engineers out of retirement last year and this spring to meet on the subject because they’re the only ones who know how they were built, and their status to date. Scary.
By C jay on 11/19/2008 9:43 am
James the Game
Diesel is processed from a cruder kind of crude oil, if you will, than the more purified, expensive form that makes up gasoline. The energy crisis of 1973 should’ve been a huge wake-up call for the U.S. to explore alternative-energy sources.
By James the Game on 11/19/2008 1:58 pm
C jay
From someone who grew up with the auto industry, and in the best interest of our nation, yes, it is our government’s job is to help them out, but it isn’t the tax-payers’ job! That being said, it must be with stringent conditions, and an outside auditing firm - nothing “inside” (I know that industry too well - in fact, my grandfather had the first automobile engine plant in the world in Ecorse). The conditions? No more bonuses paid to any employee, no more lobbyists, lawyers, no “consultants” not even consultants, and all executive salaries reduced by 40% - on top of all of that, everyone employed must have their high school diploma, or a GED, or go on a reduced income of 3X minimum wage, with their benefits preserved, during this Literal Bail-Out-Period. Additionally, no more 10% or more average cost of employee benefits built into each vehicles price, and no dealers may sell a car a more than 6% above factory-cost (not “SUGGESTED” or Dealers price). BASTA. The industry must work for this money because they have rolled along for years providing huge bonuses to uneducated workers (many earning more than college graduates as Conoco-Phillips and the other oil companies are doing, too). Additionally, once each company is showing a 5% Net Profit, 2% must be paid into a fund to make natural gas accessible - to, for example, the trucking industry over a February 1, 2009 Executive Branch determined period of time (right now it’s a nice idea but wholly impossible). Incidentally, the auto industry starts spewing about all the money they donate to charitable causes … well, that bolus of money is dedicated annually for advertising/marketing. Until they each begin to donate directly from their assets to charitable causes, no more tax credits. “IRS do you hear me?” And, while they’re at it, stop treating women as bag ladies when they come to purchase a car - which dealers do unless we have bleached blond hair, lots of make-up, and arrive in a leased vehicle (a lot they know!). Those are the conditions, boys! The tax-payers and auto consumers are watching you.
By C jay on 11/18/2008 11:15 am
C jay
opps - sorry
By C jay on 11/18/2008 11:16 am
Frannie Em
Carol Sorry for what? I love it. You have an closer idea of how it works. We get media filtered nonsense and wonder what the hell is going on? More of my money to bail those out that didn’t run their company right. Didn’t the workers take a $30 per hour pay cut last year to save their jobs. What are the executives cutting? This gets curiouser and curiouser every day. What do you believe was the main cause of the problem? They do have several cars that get over 30mph. Is it that they put so much stock in the SUV revolution (that consumers generated) and then when the cost of fuel escalated no one wanted their cars, and no one could sell their SUVs to buy more fuel efficient cars?
By Frannie Em on 11/18/2008 10:27 pm
f p
For me this says it best: “The problem right now is that everyone is trying to accomplish in a few days something that no one has been able to get the auto industry to do in a few decades,” Mickey Kantor, a former United States trade representative, who was a central player in the Big Three’s negotiations with the Clinton administration in 1992, which also vowed to help Detroit and preserve jobs. “You are not going to protect everyone, find new leadership for the car companies, force innovation — and get Congress home for Thanksgiving’” Big auto should have done something about this a decade or more ago but they continued to build SUV’s and large trucks with no thought for the future—The handwriting’s on the wall and was there a decade ago, but i don’t want taxpayer dollars bailing them out without one hell of a lot of conditions placed on them. The day of the big horse-powered truck, auto and SUV is long gone—it’s time big auto was forced by government restrictions to face up to this and get their collective acts together. If not, if they can’t accept this, then they deserve to sink.
By f p on 11/18/2008 12:41 pm
Frannie Em
Frank Amen I don’t want people to lose jobs, but we can’t keep doing this. They have to figure it out. They act as if they are the school system.
By Frannie Em on 11/18/2008 10:29 pm
f p
Frannie! how are you? Mitt Romney finally said something I can agree with re the auto industry: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?hp
By f p on 11/19/2008 6:25 am
Nancy B
Dear Uncle Sam: We are married 26 years, both working full time every year of it; 1 mortgage, 4 cars, 2 kids in college, etc. We have never, ever, ever requested government assistance. When times got tough, we just got up, went to work, and toughed it out with less. My husband found out last week that the company he works for is closing this month. He is 52 and the job market (as you know) is about as bad as it gets. I, the wife, work to pay for our health insurance and food - there is nothing left of my paycheck once those things are paid for each month. We would like to be placed at the top of the bailout list. We’ve never cheated or lied, ripped anyone off, taken gifts or money we didn’t deserve, or asked for loans or money we knew we couldn’t pay back. Please let us know when our check is in the mail. Sincerely, Mr. and Mrs. Working Class Taxpayer
By Nancy B on 11/18/2008 1:32 pm
beth willis
Greater minds than mine must remember that these same issues existed in the 70’s. Sometime around late 70’s the government bailed out Chrysler but in some, I assume ‘regulated’ bailout, managed to make over 500 million dollars over the course of the deal. At that time the same concerns about foreign oil and gas guzzlers were common knowledge. The difference now is two fold 1) The auto industry is one among myriad problems, but 2) We have a President-Elect who acknowledges what happens in cycles when gas prices drop significantly : we just go back to what we’ve always done and drop innovation for profit until the next disaster. Obama, ‘No, it’s time right now to stop the addiction.’ I agree, nothing to the residents of the Bloomfield enclave without pinpoint regulations and transparent oversight. If I were cynical I would directly connect this current situation to Cheney’s clandestine energy meetings-executive privilege?-but I am on this issue, so I will. Peace and grace
By beth willis on 11/18/2008 1:57 pm
beverly linens
Beth, I’m still waiting to be told who was there and what they talked about.
By beverly linens on 11/19/2008 2:54 am
Buh- Bye
Companies that have made poor choices and can’t cut it need to fail. New enterprises will rise from their ashes to fill the gap in the market… if indeed there is a gap to be filled. Supply and demand. Supply and demand. Enough of the emerging zeitgeist of poor little rich CEOs with palms outstretched. Let’s get real. There’s a whole lot of corporate messing around these days. Enron, AIG, Arthur Andersen, WorldCom, Tyco, Global Crossing, Adelphi… need I go on?
By Buh- Bye on 11/18/2008 3:11 pm
Frannie Em
Pi I agree, let them fail. The country is not going to stop buying cars, other auto makers will build them and people can get jobs there. I just don’t want to see unemployed workers. Especially now.
By Frannie Em on 11/18/2008 10:32 pm
C jay
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2008/11/18/clearing-up-this-mess/ Check this out. My son, who’s VP Credit (not as we know credit) for a intl. firm (non-public) has been screaming about just this point for 4 years, and warning this was coming, along with Greenspan’s actions.
By C jay on 11/19/2008 5:44 am
Delete This
For the American auto makers…I am truly sorry..they staked their lives and worked their hearts out for a moribund beast and I pray for you all that you and your families will find a new way…truly. For the US automakers: I have NEVER bought an American car. Mercedes, Jaguar, Volvo yes….but your autos are as fat, stupid and moribund as your ‘leaders.” You supported Bush Inc. You produced gas guzzling SUV’s when anyone with 1/2 brain could see what was needed was quality/and conservation. You were in league with the evil US oil companies. FU!!!
By Delete This on 11/18/2008 5:50 pm