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Liz Smith | 07/23/2008 2:30 pm

Diva Dish: Cher in Love at 62 and Lana Turner - They Don't Make 'Em Like That Anymore!

Liz Smith

"I was madly in love with Robert. I would have married him. I wanted to."
"Really?!"
"Yes, if it hadn’t been for the press, we’d be married."

That was part of a conversation I had with Cher, years ago. I was interviewing her and she was speaking of loneliness and the difficulties of being the kind of star she is — how stressful relationships can be, undone by the imbalance. After all, how many iconic figures marry other iconic figures? I mentioned the wonderful Robert Camilletti, who Cher dated for a number of years. He was a terrific man, and crazy about Cher. But the media was hateful and mocking, referring to him as "the bagel boy" because of his brief tenure in a bakery, and making much of the difference in their age. The pair was hounded, and eventually both agreed the relationship was untenable.  "He seemed so right for you," I said. That’s when the star rather sadly made the above remark.

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I was stunned by Cher’s confession. She’d never admitted how much in love with him she’d been, or how much their parting had hurt. Also, Cher rarely lets you in that much.

She is candid, earthy, funny, honest. One always feels she is speaking off the top of her head, with complete veracity. ("Look, I think she’s very talented, but why does she have to act like such a c**t," she said of Madonna — on the "Today Show"!) But Cher keeps her sentimental/romantic/intimate emotions close. The one heartbreaking exception was her eulogy for Sonny Bono, which never would have happened, had she known it was being filmed.

Cher is probably my favorite "diva." I know Bette Midler, Mariah Carey, Madonna. I like all of them, and find each one oddly vulnerable at the core. But Cher has a straightforward, no-bullshit quality that stands alone. Her vulnerability is combined with an almost Zen-like quietude, an outward passivity that masks her drive and ambition. She has her own internal push-pull about fame, which is why she often retreats for long periods of time, restoring herself. She is a truly lovely person. (I’m sure she can be maddening, in the manner of all great stars, but her essence as a human being is gentle, thoughtful, inquisitive.)

And because she is all those things, I am thrilled to know that Cher seems to have found some love and comfort in the person of Tim Medvetz. He is variously described as a "daredevil/biker/mountain climber." He is 38 to her 62. She looks forty-ish, and is in vibrant health; the disparity isn’t obvious except on paper.

The tabs say Cher is planning to marry Tim. This is what I know: It’s serious. She’s mad for him. She is extremely happy. This does not translate inevitably to marriage. I’d be surprised if she made such a commitment at this point. That said, I was surprised when she told me she would have married Robert Camilletti.

Personally and professionally, she has come back again and again, always stronger – at least on the outside. (She returns to Caesars Palace on August 6, continuing her long engagement there.) But she has been a bird with a wing down on the inside for a long while. I hope Cher flies high from now on.

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Speaking of divas, one of the originals, the late Lana Turner, will be the subject of a luscious new book titled Lana: The Memories, the Myths, the Movies. This is a tribute, penned by her daughter Cheryl Crane, with assistance from Cindy De La Hoz.

Cheryl, who suffered and survived a horrible childhood and adolescence, has already written her own life story, Detour: A Hollywood Story, in which she told of a mother she adored, but one whose stardom and self-love always stood in the way. It was a candid but not brutal memoir. Lana herself might have been hurt to read how often, without realizing it, she placed pleasure over the duties of a parent. Lana was married seven times, had many romances. Her most infamous affair was with gangster Johnny Stompanato. Johnny took to beating Lana. One night 14-year-old Cheryl ran to her mother’s defense. Johnny wound up dead in the movie queen’s frilly pink boudoir, with a butcher knife in his stomach. (For my money, this still stands as the movie-star scandal to end all!)

Hollywood legend insisted that it was Lana who really killed Johnny, but allowed Cheryl to take the rap – as a minor she could not be sent to prison. Cheryl did spend years in and out of various clinics and homes for wayward girls; is it any surprise that after the killing — and the sexual molestation she suffered at the hands of one of Turner’s husbands — that the child became "wayward"? Cheryl herself has consistently denied her mother wielding the knife as a lurid myth, always taking blame for the "the event" as she and Lana would come to refer to the terrible night.

So there will be no shock revelations in this new book, which arrives in November. It’ll be a glossy coffee-table celebration of Lana’s deluxe brand of glamour. (Nobody suffered in diamonds and furs quite like Lana.)

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Peggy Sue
Cher is probably my favorite “diva.”- Absolutely mine too! I wish her great happiness. Why would anyone want to take that away from her. She deserves it. Wish the tabloids would just leave well enough alone. Let her talk when she has something to say. Thanks for sharing your conversation.
By Peggy Sue on 07/23/2008 2:23 pm
Bonnie Oliver
Liz, this is your arena. You shine right along with the “stars”. I will only ever know Bette, Cher and Mariah through their music. Ava and Lana made their fame in motion pictures - both were extraordinary actresses even with their claim to notoriety and famous husbands! The fact that these women have been your friend tells us more about you than about them. You are not only fair but trustworthy!
By Bonnie Oliver on 07/23/2008 2:25 pm
Blue Circle Girl
Liz, I can’t help it … I love the way you talk and tell a story. Cher, love her! Madonna, well, you how we all feel about her. Lana, I loved her! And I am classic movie nut … I had no idea about That Terrible Night! Mind blower! And the song, You Don’t Own Me is an excellent song … I found it on Pandora (pandora is an internet music source). Oh, one last thing, when I become a Diva, I think I will be my favorite Diva! ;)
By Blue Circle Girl on 07/23/2008 3:55 pm
Maurine H
I began respecting Cher as an actress when she gave a wonderful performances in “Silkwood” and “Mask” and later, in “Tea with Mussolini,” where she managed to hold her own with the famous and fabulously talented Brit divas. Her down-to-earth attitude can be startling, but I have always appreciated the fact that she seemed to know herself very well. Brava! to her for finding love with a young(er) man. More power to her right arm! Thanks, Liz, for your candid article.
By Maurine H on 07/23/2008 4:47 pm
Bonnie Oliver
You are right, Maurine. She is wonderful. My favorite Cher film is not really a major motion picture but I think “Mermaids” where she plays the mother of Winona Ryder during the early 1960s is a “don’t leave the theatre for a box of popcorn” movie - you can hardly wait to see what is going to happen next. Whoever produced that movie, got the early 60s down pat.
By Bonnie Oliver on 07/23/2008 5:23 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Yes, Maurine, I, too, began to respect Cher as an actress, especially her performance in “Moonstruck”––another gold star film–––but never could take her singing and all the face and body makeovers–––the latter seemed way over the top. She has a great laugh. Lana Turner was a terrible actress, but no one cared because she was so beautiful. If we go by Jackie Kennedy’s maxim, if you don’t succeed in motherhood nothing else really matters, then Lana was an abject failure as was Joan Crawford whose mothering bordered on serious pathology. However, not every one would agree with Jackie, and so for many these two stars still shine brightly even after all these years.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 07/23/2008 5:58 pm
Maurine H
Of course, Bonnie and Phyllis - “Mermaids” and “Moonstruck”…how could I have forgotten them? Both great Cher movies. I loved them both and for different reasons; Cher’s characters were wonderful in both. Oh good, gotta go back to my Netflix queue and add them. Lana Turner….eh…not much there.
By Maurine H on 07/23/2008 6:13 pm
Bonnie Oliver
Just to add to the discussion a bit. I think Bette Midler is also a fine actress. She has done some serious stuff but once again I like the rather offbeat movie she made with Shelly Long and Peter Coyote - “Outrageous Fortune”. Quite a cast of character actors are also in the flick.
By Bonnie Oliver on 07/23/2008 8:18 pm
Frank Peterson
Gads Crawford—even if half that book by her daughter is true—serious pathology doesn’t quite cover it—raving lunatic is more like it.
By Frank Peterson on 07/23/2008 6:27 pm
Frannie Em
Frank Have a couple of old friends that are not longer around and Mommie Dearest barely scratched the surface of Crawford’s problems. She showed up at parties many times two sheets to the wind and would proceed to tear down anyone she didn’t like. Besides Moonstruck, my favorite Cher bit was on her TV show when she would be the girl from Jersey or the Bronx. She made me laugh so hard with that. She had the accent down, etc. Predecessor to The Nanny TV show.
By Frannie Em on 07/24/2008 12:33 am
Frannie Em
Carol M Hey Carol, I am in the mountains and I can get email, but it won’t send. So I am saying hello here and wondering if you are any better since your last email. Hang in there, we all care about you.
By Frannie Em on 07/24/2008 12:37 am
James the Game
I loved the great old female singers of yore, such as Cher, Lesley Gore, Petula Clark, Mama Cass Elliott, and the lady who sang “Georgy Girl” so many years ago with such a beautiful Australian voice, Judith Durham of The Seekers. When I hear songs like “Downtown” by Clark, or “Georgie Girl”, it brings me back to my childhood in the 1960’s. I remember accompanying my mother and friends one night when they went to see the movie, Georgie Girl, in a downtown Grand Rapids theatre in 1966. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSVfLNCW4Fs
By James the Game on 07/24/2008 4:12 am
Rita T
I love those 60s girl singers. I listen to an “oldies” radio station and I still know all the words and can sing along. They were hip chicks!!
By Rita T on 07/24/2008 11:17 am
Richard Bassett
I remember one story in the Andy Warhol diaries. He was suppose to do something, or be somewhere with Lana Turner. When he did run into her, she was with her hairdresser and Lana became very angry at Andy and told him that he didn’t love her. The hairdresser agreed with Lana (of course) and Andy was pleading with her stating his undying love. Then the three started to argue more. Andy Warhol suddenlt thought, “Here the three of us arguing and we all have the same color and style of hair (the platinum mop). I thought it was funny. I love you, Liz Smith and everything you say and stand for. Just never, ever stop.
By Richard Bassett on 07/24/2008 1:51 pm
Blue Circle Girl
I don’t know you Mr. Bassett, and you don’t want to know me on account I am a no body …. I love this style of post and this post itself … I never met Andy Warhol and I won’t pretend to like you just because you can tell a Warhol story or quote a diary …. my gut tells me to laugh at this story because it really sounds like “true Warhol”. Please, Mr. Bassett continue to post and I do like you … my instinct tells me there is going to be something wonderful in each and every one of your posts.
By Blue Circle Girl on 07/28/2008 2:14 am