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Liz Smith | 07/23/2008 2:30 pm

Diva Dish: Cher in Love at 62 and Lana Turner - They Don't Make 'Em Like That Anymore!

Liz Smith

"I was madly in love with Robert. I would have married him. I wanted to."
"Really?!"
"Yes, if it hadn’t been for the press, we’d be married."

That was part of a conversation I had with Cher, years ago. I was interviewing her and she was speaking of loneliness and the difficulties of being the kind of star she is — how stressful relationships can be, undone by the imbalance. After all, how many iconic figures marry other iconic figures? I mentioned the wonderful Robert Camilletti, who Cher dated for a number of years. He was a terrific man, and crazy about Cher. But the media was hateful and mocking, referring to him as "the bagel boy" because of his brief tenure in a bakery, and making much of the difference in their age. The pair was hounded, and eventually both agreed the relationship was untenable.  "He seemed so right for you," I said. That’s when the star rather sadly made the above remark.

Click here to see photos of Liz’s favorite divas and other divine females.

I was stunned by Cher’s confession. She’d never admitted how much in love with him she’d been, or how much their parting had hurt. Also, Cher rarely lets you in that much.

She is candid, earthy, funny, honest. One always feels she is speaking off the top of her head, with complete veracity. ("Look, I think she’s very talented, but why does she have to act like such a c**t," she said of Madonna — on the "Today Show"!) But Cher keeps her sentimental/romantic/intimate emotions close. The one heartbreaking exception was her eulogy for Sonny Bono, which never would have happened, had she known it was being filmed.

Cher is probably my favorite "diva." I know Bette Midler, Mariah Carey, Madonna. I like all of them, and find each one oddly vulnerable at the core. But Cher has a straightforward, no-bullshit quality that stands alone. Her vulnerability is combined with an almost Zen-like quietude, an outward passivity that masks her drive and ambition. She has her own internal push-pull about fame, which is why she often retreats for long periods of time, restoring herself. She is a truly lovely person. (I’m sure she can be maddening, in the manner of all great stars, but her essence as a human being is gentle, thoughtful, inquisitive.)

And because she is all those things, I am thrilled to know that Cher seems to have found some love and comfort in the person of Tim Medvetz. He is variously described as a "daredevil/biker/mountain climber." He is 38 to her 62. She looks forty-ish, and is in vibrant health; the disparity isn’t obvious except on paper.

The tabs say Cher is planning to marry Tim. This is what I know: It’s serious. She’s mad for him. She is extremely happy. This does not translate inevitably to marriage. I’d be surprised if she made such a commitment at this point. That said, I was surprised when she told me she would have married Robert Camilletti.

Personally and professionally, she has come back again and again, always stronger – at least on the outside. (She returns to Caesars Palace on August 6, continuing her long engagement there.) But she has been a bird with a wing down on the inside for a long while. I hope Cher flies high from now on.

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Speaking of divas, one of the originals, the late Lana Turner, will be the subject of a luscious new book titled Lana: The Memories, the Myths, the Movies. This is a tribute, penned by her daughter Cheryl Crane, with assistance from Cindy De La Hoz.

Cheryl, who suffered and survived a horrible childhood and adolescence, has already written her own life story, Detour: A Hollywood Story, in which she told of a mother she adored, but one whose stardom and self-love always stood in the way. It was a candid but not brutal memoir. Lana herself might have been hurt to read how often, without realizing it, she placed pleasure over the duties of a parent. Lana was married seven times, had many romances. Her most infamous affair was with gangster Johnny Stompanato. Johnny took to beating Lana. One night 14-year-old Cheryl ran to her mother’s defense. Johnny wound up dead in the movie queen’s frilly pink boudoir, with a butcher knife in his stomach. (For my money, this still stands as the movie-star scandal to end all!)

Hollywood legend insisted that it was Lana who really killed Johnny, but allowed Cheryl to take the rap – as a minor she could not be sent to prison. Cheryl did spend years in and out of various clinics and homes for wayward girls; is it any surprise that after the killing — and the sexual molestation she suffered at the hands of one of Turner’s husbands — that the child became "wayward"? Cheryl herself has consistently denied her mother wielding the knife as a lurid myth, always taking blame for the "the event" as she and Lana would come to refer to the terrible night.

So there will be no shock revelations in this new book, which arrives in November. It’ll be a glossy coffee-table celebration of Lana’s deluxe brand of glamour. (Nobody suffered in diamonds and furs quite like Lana.)

31 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Richard Bassett
Dear Blue Circle Girl, I know that there isn’t anybody who is a nobody, and I love Andy Warhol, as well. I use to read his diary one day at a time, and one of his days, to experience the true flavor of reading a diary. It took me years. I suggest that you find it on eBay and purchase it. If you like him, this is the ‘real’ Andy Warhol. Living in New York City as she did, I am sure that Liz Smith knew him quite well. I love both Andy Warhol and Lana Turner. My posts are true and radiate from the heart.
By Richard Bassett on 07/28/2008 6:24 am
Blue Circle Girl
Yes, I will grab it … is this the Pat H. book? I recently watch Superstar till the DVD nearly broke down …. I could feel the moment in time and I was preteen but even then I wanted to be in NY …. I will now catch up on your posts. Is this your real photo? On account you are a very striking man … just wonderin’. Oh, don’t be mislead, I am not shopping just askin’ …
By Blue Circle Girl on 07/31/2008 1:08 am
Richard Bassett
My face I am sure. (Yes the Pat book!!) http://www.youtube.com/richardbassett1956 Please visit! Thank you!!!!
By Richard Bassett on 07/31/2008 7:03 am
Blue Circle Girl
Richard, Thank you for the personal invitation. I loved the You Tube site. I did not get to through half of your stuff … really interesting stuff. This evening will be spent with Richard on You Tube. Do you mind if I comment on your vids? The question I have is why did you leave and what brought back? And that face, your face … a very pretty face … have you been in things that I might have seen … you know what? I am fascinated by you. I do believe I will address you directly through email if you don’t mind. Wishing Happiness … my instinct tells me to wish you happiness … are you unhappy about something? Why do I get the feeling you are very sad or upset about something very near and dear to your heart?
By Blue Circle Girl on 08/03/2008 1:10 pm
Richard Bassett
Please, feel free to comment on any video. I believe in the work that Dame Elizabeth Taylor has done for the past twenty five years so deeply that I have devoted my site to her and the millions of people that she helps on a daily basis.
By Richard Bassett on 08/03/2008 4:21 pm
Elizabeth Bennett
I am glad Cher is happy. Her concerts are the best! I loved it that she hired her mother as the person to change her costumes for her on her tours. I never miss her movies either. Even the poorly reviewed ones are ones I enjoy. It is a shame that the harassment of some segments of the press actually causes such harm to people.
By Elizabeth Bennett on 07/24/2008 4:34 pm
l drake
Cher is the best. Talented, SMART, hard working, compassionate. You did not mention her great efforts to provide Marines and other fighters in Iraq with the correct headgear. A project she started without publicity. Her voice gets better,,,,,,a wonderful singer,,,great actress. also, Cheryl Crane became a successful businesswoman, well respected. thank you for the update also on Lesley Gore. Maybe you, Liz Smith, should write a book about Cher. You could do her justice.
By l drake on 07/24/2008 5:13 pm
Peggy Newton
Cher has always been a cool person, even here in the midwest in a town referred to by Madonna as Prague. A few years ago Cher performed here. Our city’s mayor got some flack for attending the Cher concert instead of attending a city council meeting. He even appeared on The Daily Show because of it. I say the more power to him. I’ve watched our city and county council meetings on TV and I don’t think the mayor missed anything but a good nap. Cher has earned, and deserves, all the accolades.
By Peggy Newton on 07/24/2008 5:57 pm
Jeannot Kensinger
Thanks Liz for sharing. You do it so well. Love Cher, wish her the best.
By Jeannot Kensinger on 07/25/2008 3:27 am
M Miller
Cher has always been my favorite “diva” as well. She seems like the kind of woman you could just down, have lunch and she’d be like a “regular” person! She’s awesome! I agree with Bonnie - Mermaids is one of my all-time fav movies!
By M Miller on 07/25/2008 12:21 pm
Kryssi K
”(“Look, I think she’s very talented, but why does she have to act like such a c**t,” she said of Madonna — on the “Today Show”!)” HAH! I officially have a new hero, and her name is Cheryl Sarkisian LaPiere. Seriously, though, I’ve always admired Cher. Plus, one of the best nights of my life was when I caught her gig here in Tulsa on her Farewell Tour a few years back - I’d never been more thoroughly entertained in my life, shitty seats and all (“Britney and Christina - follow this, bitches!”)… She gives her audience MORE than what they had to spend to get there, lemme tell ya. Anyone who puts that much effort into pleasing her fans is an A+ in my book, so it’s no surprise she’s nothing but compassionate and loving under the badass exterior. Good for her that she’s in love. She absolutely deserves it. I do wish the “press” would get real jobs and give all our lovely divas a little friggin’ privacy to live their lives contently. JUST SAY NO TO STALKERAZZI!
By Kryssi K on 07/25/2008 4:05 pm
Terry Ebert
Liz, you are fabulous. I met you in Palm Beach a few years ago, and loved your talk. Thank you for always portraying women as strong and sexy, even when we are 60 and over! I am your undying fan! By Terry Ebert, Manalapan, Florida
By Terry Ebert on 07/26/2008 3:45 pm
Michelle M
Great article. I remember all that nasty press about Cher and her “bagel boy” - so unfair. I am a great admirer of Cher and love her straight talking attitude - I hope her new love works out.
By Michelle M on 07/28/2008 11:34 am
Chris Broersma
Interesting ladies all! Thanks, Liz!
By Chris Broersma on 07/28/2008 9:15 pm
L. C.
My divas are the late Betty Carter, Ella Fritzgerald, Billie Holiday Bessie Smith, Dianna Washington and Sarah Vaugh. My alive divas are Nancy Wilson, Anita Baker, Gladys Knight and Natalie Cole.
By L. C. on 11/22/2009 11:46 am