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The Etceterist | 10/31/2008 12:00 am

Emily Post: Libertarian? Liberationist? Lesbian?

A new biography says everything you thought you knew about Emily Post is wrong
By Billy Norwich

LC: I think so. Oprah is much noisier than Emily, by which I mean it is a noisier medium she works in. But, yes, both women are keenly against the idea of class in a conventional sense. Emily’s theme always was — like Oprah’s today — it wasn’t about money, it wasn’t about class, it wasn’t about etiquette rules, but it is about being aware of the people around you. They are both libertarian in their attitudes, their message being that if you ascribe to certain basic principles in life, "The Golden Rule," you can do really well no matter what your background is.

ETC: Interesting how the culture matured. Emily Post’s era was about literally opening doors to new people and inventions. Oprah’s message is more “New Age-y,” opening doors inside us in order to grow individually and as a culture. But since Emily Post never said things like, "You must keep your elbows off the table," how come we think of her as this prim uptight being?

LC: It really comes down to ageism. Despite her vast popularity with immigrants, with soldiers during WWII, with war brides and women entering the workplace, the male columnists and reporters put her down, considered her old at 50 when her book was first published, and this idea of the little old lady stuck, I’m sorry to say.

ETC: How did you get the idea to write a biography of Emily Post?

LC:
Growing up in a lower-income family, we didn’t have many books at home but we did have a copy of Emily Post. And on rainy days I would read it. It really gave me the sense that I could grow up and be whatever and whomever I wanted. About ten years ago, I was telling this to my husband and he asked if I had ever read a really good biography of Emily Post. I said that I hadn’t and, upon looking for one, discovered a biography had never been written. I started out from a distance but by the end of the writing I really felt that, well, she had spoken to me and really helped me.

ETC:
And during the writing, in 2003, you were diagnosed with a particularly aggressive form of brain cancer. An intense six months followed which you describe beautifully and inspiringly in your acknowledgments in the book. How are you today?

LC: I am doing wonderful. No one wants to go through anything like that, and I still think of it with some awe and fear, but not a day goes by that I don’t bless the day and the fact that I am here.

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EKA -
My mother, daughter of Irish immigrants, raised my sisters and me according to Emily Post. They were products of the 50s so it was an easier sell, I was a child of the 60s and did my share of rebelling against those antiquated “stupid” etiquette rules, but guess what, I am so glad now that I was raised that way and I have, in fact, said to my sons that good manners are nothing more than being aware of people around you and feeling comfortable in any situation. Her life sounds fascinating and worth a read.
By EKA - on 10/31/2008 8:10 am
Susan B
These days, I’m hungry for information about lives like Emily Post’s. Oprah’s done a lot for many causes and for elevating women’s sense of possibility, but she seems so strident and commercial as well. For her times, Emily was truly a breakout woman and I’m sure she served as a positive inspiration for others of her day. So often now, I find myself wishing fervently for a shift in thinking — or perhaps it’s just that I long to see more people think for themselves and conduct their lives with more grace and honor. I wonder what Emily would think of our times?
By Susan B on 10/31/2008 10:43 am
Diana T
I remember we always had Emily Post in our house. It was de rigeur for proper young ladies.
By Diana T on 10/31/2008 1:01 pm
Dab-a- do
Hi Diana, this is an interesting post to talk to you about this but I wanted to touch base before I get thrown off of wow. I just said what I have been wanting to say for a long time to one of the b**ches that post on this site. I got an alert from Irish Eyes NY and it was written in the same vein as OMGIAMGOING NUTS. I usually just skip those comments but now that I’m weaning off the antidepressant that I was prescribed for the chronic pain I don’t feel so charitable. I told her where to go and gave her a more appropriate name. Anyway, you are one of my favorites here and I have read and learned a lot from you and the links about the economy. Thank you a lot. If you are ever in Chattanooga let me know. I would love to spend some time over a meal, glass of wine or what ever you prefer and have a great conversation. You are so interested in so many things and I love being around and talking to people who are like you. I worked with a lot of people without social skills (you know what they say about doctors and I’m really not picking on them). Actually a lot of nurses were not that interesting….I once said something about a Bonnie Raitt song and no one knew who I was talking about. So I just kept on keeping close a few like -minded friends. Oh, well you know what I mean. Living in the south is not always a barrel of laughs. Many can’t imagine there are other things in life besides dirt biking and beer drinking on Saturday nights. Drop me a line sometimes. Crowe657056@bellsouth.net.
By Dab-a- do on 10/31/2008 2:16 pm
Jeannot Kensinger
Hi Diana, I can imagine the rules you must have had to be a proper Southern lady. In my house I doubt there was a European E Post but my mother was raised in a convent from age 3 to 18 and these nuns were like an army of Emily’s. So I inherited this discipline. The one I hated the most was never to speak unless spoken to. Sit in a corner with your legs tightly together and have this imaginary duck tape on your face. Turn your head when you see a lady with a big tummy. (pregnancy was a no no?) . Never, ever pass gas unless you are outside, that was very confusing as my father did not care if he was in or outside. Always curtsy to the wealthy ladies. Never take a seat in the streetcar, leave it for the grown ups. (Try to get a seat today!) Never be pushy even in the ration stamp line. Never, ever listen to grandpa’s jokes. Always sit still in church, no fidgeting, no falling asleep and absolutely not looking to the back rows. Never, ever lie because all mothers have the magic eye and they will see a black cross on your forehead and know you are a liar (it worked!)
By Jeannot Kensinger on 11/02/2008 7:35 am
Diana T
Being in the South, a proper young lady crosses her feet at the ankles. Gloves/hat are essential for church. Write a note for all occasions, and if you don’t write a thank you note, terrible things happen. Do not raise your voice. Grown up ladies do not drink beer, especially out of a bottle. That’s considered “common”. The well bred know how to and must take ball room dancing. Always wear pearls.
By Diana T on 11/02/2008 8:40 am
Jeannot Kensinger
I would have liked the gloves and pearls part, of course we had to have a hat in church, mostly we wore a scarf, a babushka.
By Jeannot Kensinger on 11/02/2008 8:55 am
Fanny Peabody
Yes, Diana, and unlike my sister, you apparently read the book!
By Fanny Peabody on 10/31/2008 1:58 pm
kermie b
I’m not touching this one.
By kermie b on 10/31/2008 2:32 pm
Mugsy Peabody
For which, Kermie, I am most grateful! (Note to others: Stay on the good side of Fanny!)
By Mugsy Peabody on 10/31/2008 6:43 pm
kermie b
Mugsy—you know what I meant. I was not touching the email where it was more than implied that this entire website (minus one) was populated by “bitches.” To your: stay on Fanny’s “good side,” I could say the same. I have never pretended I am different people by using other avatars. Golly, maybe the woman had a point. There are a lot of people who bring their dark sides to this place.
By kermie b on 11/01/2008 2:03 pm
Mugsy Peabody
Kermie, my sister was talking to Diana — the remarks you referred to weren’t posted when Fanny posted. It’s a running joke in our family that Fanny is “Glenda the good witch” and I am the black sheep. It is a mixed metaphor, but it works for us.
By Mugsy Peabody on 11/01/2008 3:30 pm
Diana T
Mugsy, It must be a blast to be on wow with sister and you bantering back and forth.
By Diana T on 11/02/2008 9:27 am
Mugsy Peabody
Fanny’s much more interested in wOw than she will admit. But she really doesn’t have much time, so I’m always surprised when she shows up. They live in Van Nuys and I’m in Oakland, so I really don’t get the face time I’d love to have with them right now. Oh well!
By Mugsy Peabody on 11/02/2008 2:05 pm
Wine Warrior
Interesting. We were raised by nuns and EP, too, it took until 2000 when Bush stole the election and I lost $700K…that’s when I went rogue. So I’d say I give a rat’s behind at the moment about EP…but then I read she was an amigo of Mark Twain and I’m impressed all over again. Hopefully, Obama will get in on Tues and I can go back to being me instead of political activist on a tear. Would be so nice to have some classy brainiacs in the WH for a change instead of dimwitted, evil-doing hicks. BTW—Mark Twain said that St. Joan of Arc was the greatest human being ever to walk this Earth…his favorite book was his own “Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc.” Thanks for this piece….pass the white gloves.
By Wine Warrior on 10/31/2008 2:50 pm