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Politics | 12/22/2008 10:00 am

Episcopalians' Top Female Pastor on Homosexuality as a 'Gift,' Future of Church (Video)

By The Staff at wowOwow.com
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Talk about a tough job.

Katharine Jefferts Schori has presided over the Episcopal Church during an extremely tumultuous time.

Some conservative Anglicans have broken away from the Church in protest of the 2003 consecration of New Hampshire Bishop V. Gene Robinson, an openly gay man who lives with his longtime partner. But there have also been rifts about ordaining women.

The Church of England’s ruling body in July voted its support for women to become bishops, which caused further division among Anglicans.

Jefferts Schori faced that division firsthand. She’s the first female bishop in the worldwide Anglican Communion (and a third-generation pilot, by the way), making her the chief pastor to the Episcopal Church’s 2.4 million members in 16 countries. But her 2006 election was met with opposition from at least one diocese, which asked the Archbishop of Canterbury to step in. 

The Washington Post’s Sally Quinn sat down with Jefferts Schori, who said homosexuality is a “gift” and discussed the future and stability of her church. Schori voted to consent to the election of Robinson.

"This is something I’ve been thinking about for 30 years," both as a scientist and as a theologian, Schori said. "This is a reality of creation, not just the human species … For some people to say it’s against the order of creation, it’s a very interesting comment – it doesn’t accord with what we can observe in nature."

She explained that it’s the job of the church to help those in need – no matter who, or what, they are.

"We’ve not really explored as a church until fairly recently how two people of the same gender might live a partnered relationship together in a holy way," she said, adding, there’s "lots of evidence of holy living" around us.

Schori said science has proven that homosexuality is not a choice – as many Christians believe – and that the focus should be more on what to do with the hand you’re given.

"The choice is about how we live, the choice is not about how we were created. The religious question is … what we do with what we’ve been given? How we use the gifts with which we’ve been given?" she asked.

"I think we have to understand that homosexual orientation is a gift, in the same way that we understand heterosexual orientation is a gift. It’s a different kind of gift and it’s going to come with different consequences and opportunities, but it is a gift."

Schori also said the "emotional fervor" within the church over homosexuals and women has died down a bit, and that, "I think, five or ten years from now, we will probably come to a place where we can say, ‘we can agree to disagree.’"

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HABIBI
What we have become is a society that seeks to make everyone feel accepted to the point where we have lost our own direction. By Me Now on 12/22/2008 4:49 pm Me Now, that is an understatement, the liberal gay’s want to shove their agenda down everyone else’s throat and hide behind their so called politicaly correct tag phrase’s.
By HABIBI on 12/22/2008 6:01 pm
ZeraLee
The way I see it, it is the Christian social conservatives that are shoving their agenda down everyone else’s throat while hiding behind their religion. The authority of their religious beliefs does not extend to those who do not share those beliefs. They do not seem inclined to tolerate the beliefs of others, or allow them their own freedom of religion. Their only superiority is in numbers.
By ZeraLee on 12/22/2008 11:21 pm
KryssiK
I didn’t realize voicing outrage over being oppressed was an “agenda”.
By KryssiK on 12/22/2008 11:31 pm
HABIBI
You’re not oppressed, you’re practicing your gayness to your hearts content. Nobody is throwing you in jail for being a practicing homosexual. Go to a middle eastern country and practice your homosexuality, then talk to me about you being oppressed.
By HABIBI on 12/23/2008 12:11 am
KryssiK
Yet another oblivious person yammering on about something they clearly know nothing about. You might not be able to see the bigotry and oppression because you’re not gay, but trust me - it IS there. (And your pseudo-argument that it’s worse in some other parts of the world does not justify it; that is a logical fallacy.) It’s in the seemingly small things which add up - statements implying that we “choose/practice”, or that we are have some kind of “agenda” are just the tip of the iceberg. Over time it all can become more and more discouraging and depressing and damaging to one’s confidence and emotional/physical health…until, ultimately, it becomes deadly for some. I never understood this absolutely voluntary REFUSAL by so many people to objectively look at a situation from another perspective. For example, I don’t know what it’s like to be handicapped, but I sure as hell hate to see handicapped individuals devalued, discriminated against, etc….therefore, I treat them with the same respect and acceptance I would like to be treated. I would think this is a simple concept…but obviously I am too naive for this society. I imagine it is fairly easier when you are fortunate to be white, Christian, AND heterosexual in this country. But if I’m wrong and it’s not, until you’ve walked a mile in my shoes, please do NOT speak to me about what it’s like being gay AGAIN, because you have NO idea. You may THINK you do, but you don’t. Thank you.
By KryssiK on 12/23/2008 1:33 am
HABIBI
Kryssi, there are plenty of people on here that will feed your pity party. I’m unfortunately not one of them. Your only oppression is your feeling you are. people left and right here and I’m sure elsewhere, have told you have your gay rights, you just can’t have our definition of marriage. No one on here said they hated gay’s that’s in your head. Every question you have asked are those same questions you need to be asking yourself. We have made our personal decisions, the folk’s of Cali made their decision as well as many other people across this country. Why do you keep banging your head against the wall trying to make people change their minds, I mean I keep trying to tell you Kryssi what God has to say about it and you think we are crazy and you don’t listen to us, WHY? because you think that you are right, that’s why, well, we feel strongly that God is right and after all, he is the higher authority. Your problems rest in spending so much time focused on what we think rather than looking at the fact’s and those being, no one is oppressing you. You are free to live your life to your hearts content and again, If you are happy being gay, then go live your life happy being gay and If not, then you may want to consider another life style. But your incessant moaning and groaning about people who don’t agree with your choice of lifestyle, gaurentee’s that your own life is lived stiffled by your own actions not our’s.
By HABIBI on 12/23/2008 12:41 pm
KryssiK
you don’t listen to us, WHY?” Um. Listening is supposed to work both ways. E.G.- I had JUST described to you the subtleties that take place in the type of oppression we DO face, and you completely ignored it all, still suggesting we are free to live our lives. If we were truly free to live our lives, religious extremists would not be using some outdated, lost-in-translation, blatantly mass-controlling book to pass JUDGMENT on us (whether quietly or vocally)…I believe that is GOD’s job, not yours, but anyway…freedom = we would be able to exist without incessantly being accused of agendas and deviant choices and hijacking silly definitions, etc. Personally, there is nothing more emotionally damaging than being judged and rejected by complete strangers who have no interest in seeing the good in me, that I am harmless, that I crave the same love and acceptance and peace of mind as every human being does. But once again, you will just evade the point and start speaking for God when it is/WAS supposedly every American’s birth right not to have to feel infringed by other people’s religions. (“Religion is far more of a choice than homosexuality.” - Jon Stewart) All I can says is WOW, sometimes I REALLY feel sorry for Jesus!
By KryssiK on 12/23/2008 2:20 pm
HABIBI
Kryssi, you have to learn the difference between the word listening and heard. We heard what you had to say we listened to you prattle on and on about what you want and the only ones who are not listening to anything that has been said is you and your supporters. We are fully aware of what you want and you are fully aware of what the people said with their vote. So, I have to ask you what did you fail to hear? Also did you see the headlines in the news this morning. Did YOU listen. Barak Obama, your president just announced his choice of Bible to use for his swearing in on the 20th of Jan. It is the exact Bible that was used by President Lincoln, pretty cool huh! BUT, the main message regarding that is he isn’t swearing on the constitution of the United States, no, he is swearing on a BIBLE. You see if he didn’t believe that to be the word of God, He wouldn’t be swearing on it. This my dear means he hold true to the word of God and he himself also has stated on numerous occassions, that he does not believe that gays are intitled to the word marriage as sanctioned by God. He, however did state that he is for gay unions and there you have that so what’s your beef, you really don’t have one and I have to reiterate that since you call the word of Godsome outdated document of sorts, why would you fight like banshee’s so hard for a title (word) that belong to God was ordained by God and symbolizes what God calls it. And you wonder why we could never take you seriously………Were you just now listening to me?
By HABIBI on 12/23/2008 2:41 pm
KryssiK
FACT: Marriage pre-dates Christianity. To suggest otherwise is utterly outrageous. Same-sex marriage even pre-dates your religion, believe it or not. Why is okay for Christians to hijack marriage but not gays or anyone else? Atheists are allowed to marry one another, I know a Buddhist who is legally married to a Wiccan, and COURTS (not just churches) can issue marriages in this country… PLEASE EXPLAIN. I also never said anything about marriage in this thread as this was not a topic about Prop8. I was speaking of the subtle yet detrimental oppression, specifically in the form of some of the very words you have said to me here. Which, AGAIN, you refused to address. Interesting. I don’t give a rat’s ass about Obama - this is not even about him. At all. You have mistaken me for someone who voted for Obama because they wanted to. I voted for him because I had no other choice. By the way, if he DIDN’T agree to swear on the Bible, he’d get assassinated around here.
By KryssiK on 12/23/2008 2:57 pm
HABIBI
By the way, if he DIDN’T agree to swear on the Bible, he’d get assassinated around here. By Kryssi K on 12/23/2008 2:57 pm Kryssi, who needs the comic strips out of those dying news papers, when we have you! I don’t give a rat’s ass about Obama - this is not even about him. At all. You have mistaken me for someone who voted for Obama because they wanted to. I voted for him because I had no other choice. By Kryssi K on 12/23/2008 2:57 pm Kryssi, Please don’t jump off any bridges because your friends may do so. Am I to truly believe that you had no other choice. Why is okay for Christians to hijack marriage By Kryssi K on 12/23/2008 2:57 pm Kryssi, no hijacking occured, that would be illegal. It was a gift from God, ordained by God for a man and a woman and utilized by a man and a woman. I also never said anything about marriage in this thread as this was not a topic about Prop8 By Kryssi K on 12/23/2008 2:57 pm Gee Kryssi, are there any other rights you don’t have besides the word marriage. It seems as if you are completely free and able to come and go as you please. Same-sex marriage even pre-dates your religion, believe it or not. By Kryssi K on 12/23/2008 2:57 pm I’ll take door #2, NOT! FACT: Marriage pre-dates Christianity. To suggest otherwise is utterly outrageous. By Kryssi K on 12/23/2008 2:57 pm ding, ding, ding…..Wrong again! sorry…..God was in the begining, the Alpha and the Omega. The creator of all things. Therefore marriage being ordained of God by God was his concept from the begining. Therefore, being that God always was and will be, his concepts, his ideaoligies have always belonged to him and therefore always have been with him. He doesn’t run to catch up with us, we run to catch up to him…….Are you catching on!
By HABIBI on 12/23/2008 3:28 pm
HABIBI
Why is okay for Christians to hijack marriage By Kryssi K on 12/23/2008 2:57 pm Kryssi, no hijacking occured, that would be illegal. It was a gift from God, ordained by God for a man and a woman and utilized by a man and a woman. I also never said anything about marriage in this thread as this was not a topic about Prop8 By Kryssi K on 12/23/2008 2:57 pm Please also note the above discrepancy in your post Kryssi. :)
By HABIBI on 12/23/2008 3:32 pm
KryssiK
Discrepancy? That YOU originally brought up marriage after I was referring to bigotry in general, not mentioning gay marriage whatsoever until you did…?
By KryssiK on 12/23/2008 3:36 pm
HABIBI
Kryssi, Now go on back up their and reread your post, it’s contridictory. You indeed mentioned marriage in your post, it’s under your comments. It’s not about who brought up what, it’s about you stating that “you never stated in your post the words marriage” when fact is that in your post……Indeed you did, that’s all.
By HABIBI on 12/23/2008 8:57 pm
KryssiK
Half of my friends voted for McCain (I AM in Oklahoma, you know) so I’m not sure what you meant by the bridge jumping comment. And in this state, we don’t get a third party on our ballot. So my only choice was Obama. (McCain was out of the question for several reasons.) And YES, I AM catching on! …that you are utterly, hopelessly delusional (and disappointingly so as I typically enjoy conversations with you) when it comes to your selfish proclamations about God.
By KryssiK on 12/23/2008 3:35 pm
HABIBI
Kryssi, I love ya! Stop lying, you’ve never had a conversation with me that had to do with anything other than telling me that all us Christians are crazy. And just like everything else I say to you you don’t get it because you choose not to get it and that’s ok, I’m cool with that it changes nothing. And I also have to point out that you even missed my point, that had nothing to do with God and that was you had a choice for your vote Kryssi, it’s called not voting period, especially if you say (your words) that there was no one else to vote for. Use4 common sense, it won’t hurt you. If you didn’t want to vote OB then you don’t vote, really simple. Kryssi, in all the postings to you I have never once called you names, I only stated what God has to say and just go back to all your posts and all the others here that are just foaming at the mouth over anyone who doesn’t believe in God and you wonder why I have to laugh.
By HABIBI on 12/23/2008 8:52 pm