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Politics | 11/11/2008 9:04 am

Holocaust Survivors to Mormons: Stop Baptism of Dead Jews (AP)

By The Staff at wowOwow.com

Holocaust survivors yesterday begged the Mormon church to please stop baptizing Jews who lost their lives in Nazi concentration camps.

Way back in 1995, the Church of Latter-day Saints agreed not to perform baptisms or other rites for Holocaust victims — except when they have living descendants who are Mormons, the Associated Press reports. That agreement’s limited only to Holocaust victims, rather than all Jewish people. Those baptisms of Holocaust victims, say Jewish activists, were particularly offensive because these people died as a result of their religion, the report read. Despite this understanding, the chuch has been using genealogy records to go ahead with posthumous baptisms via a proxy system. And trust that Holocaust survivors aren’t pleased. Ernest Michel, the chairman of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors said Monday in a statement: "We ask you to respect us and our Judaism just as we respect your religion. We ask you to leave our six million Jews, all victims of the Holocaust, alone, they suffered enough."

A church spokesman said the church kept has already removed more than 260,000 names from the genealogical index. But for the last three years, researcher shows that resubmissions and new entries of names slip into the database system.

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gulliver fourmyle
wild robots’—-ya haven’t noticed? as Letterman used to say’ They been Hypmotized.’——
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/12/2008 3:13 pm
Tracy Hall Jr
Not all Jews choose to react to Mormon traditions with hostility. For a wonderful example of tolerance read the personal account of Manya Brachear: http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/religion_theseeker/2008/11/should-mo… Tracy Hall Jr hthalljr’gmail’com
By Tracy Hall Jr on 11/11/2008 4:59 pm
Patty E
As one who lived in Houston, I knew several Mormons personally, as there is a fairly large Mormon population. My company sent me to Salt Lake City for a month, and as part of my ‘team’, they also sent with me, a guy who, with his family that included 6 children, had recently moved away from Salt Lake, and also sent along a woman, whose family still lived in Salt Lake. I learned a lot from them. When I was about 14 yrs old, my family vacation included a stop in Salt Lake. I remember the big wall that surrounded the compund where the Tabernacle was located along with the other buildings, including their infamous Temple. I wondered why the members of the ‘church’ were not allowed to enter the ‘temple’ part of the church, until they ‘earned’ their way. I wondered why the ‘church’ had a wall around it, preventing people from entering….My grandfather, a minister, taught me that the church was open to EVERYbody. When, as an adult, I was sent back there, I decided to find out ‘Why?’ I learned that families with lots of children, and who could not earn a living to cover expenses, did get montary assistance from the church—-monthly. The 10% tithe was mandatory, however, or the assistance would stop. Those who were allowed to enter the ‘temple’ had to wear white, and had to ‘earn’ their way to temple, in 2 critieria: 1. Number of Hours spent in Study (done in a room near the Temple itself, while dressed in white, no shoes), and 2. After reaching a certain minimum dollar amount in contributions to the church. I learned that Mormons did not drink Coca-cola, but owned the company and sold it to the rest of us. I learned that Mormons were not allowed to drink alcohol—-but discovered they got around that by turning all the bars in Salt Lake, into ‘private clubs’ that required a membership fee, to enter. I learned that they place judgement on people—just like everyone does—-, but that when a judgement is made against a member of the church—they have no qualms of ex-communicating them from the church—-forever. And with ex-communication from the church, came ex-communication to the birth family, as well… Although I liked the people I knew, I could never live by their rules—which tended to be unforgiving of those who are being ‘human’. They do, however, have the same rights, as i do, to practice their religion—I simply do not agree that they ALSO have the right to usurp the beliefs of others.
By Patty E on 11/11/2008 5:30 pm
Tracy Hall Jr
Patte E, I don’t know how you “learned” those supposed requirements for admission to the temple, but it is one of the most entertaining fictions about Mormonism that I have ever heard. I’ll just address two items: 1. Access to the temple. In ancient Israel, gentiles (non Jews) were allowed only into the courtyards surrounding the temple, analogous to Temple Square, which is Utah’s #1 tourist attraction. Only Jews were allowed within the precincts of the temple itself, and only the high priest was allowed to enter the Holy of Holies, and then only on one day of the year and after intensive purification. A wise teacher makes sure her students understand algebra before she teaches calculus. In like manner, we invite, indeed we plead with all mankind to come unto Christ in his Holy Temple - after they have fulfilled the prerequisites. Although only faithful Latter-day Saints are admitted to any of our 128 temples, the general public is always welcome in any of our approximately 13,000 local houses of worship. Meeting times and directions to your nearest LDS meetinghouse can be found at mormon.org, “worship with us.” 2. Monetary requirements. Do you remember the lesson Jesus taught about the widow’s mite? Do you remember how Malachi condemned Israel for robbing God of tithes and offerings? The poor widow who faithfully tithes ten dollars out of her hundred is as worthy and acceptable unto the Lord as the rich man who tithes ten million of his hundred million. Tracy Hall Jr hthalljr’gmail’com
By Tracy Hall Jr on 11/11/2008 9:42 pm
Sandbee (FB) 54
You just reinforced the requirements that Patty mentions. No one is allowed in the Temple, my husband could not attend his own daughter’s wedding even though he was paying for it because he no longer wished to be a member of the LDS church. And more recently that same daughter was in the same situation with her daughter because she too had discovered that she could not handle the depression she felt following the religion and then when her daughter got married she was not allowed in the temple. Also she and her husband were called in by their bishop because he did not feel that they were giving enough money to their ward. They live in Salt Lake City and her husband’s business would be greatly hurt if he did not stay in the religion. This to me is not a way of behavior for people who care about others.
By Sandbee (FB) 54 on 11/12/2008 10:13 pm
gulliver fourmyle
now, will ‘whiz-kids’ start checking my ‘physics’/ ‘life-science’ post—-as Tesla, Wegener—-i feel you will see, i am correct—-Mass ‘brings’ disorder, not just warps space/time—is that not ‘disorder’? so, it may act on ‘living-systems’—-the evidence is titanic—-aging, crime, hay-fever,war,disease—-born on ‘dearth-row.’ the solution? ‘Will the circle be unbroken in the sky’. would you please, Evacuate Earth?
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/11/2008 10:22 pm
Bonnie Oliver
The author of the articles states, “we ask you to leave our six millions Jews ….alone…haven’t they suffered enough?”. Amazing sentence…..as if the six million will suffer again at the hands of the Mormons. What a tempest. If someone has a relative who died in the camps and then later find out he also has or had a relative who is a Mormon who, in accordance with his faith, brought all past relatives into baptism…..and if you object, then ask that the baptism be removed from the church records. But I wonder if any relative can speak for someone who died over 60 years ago. This sounds more like a “cause celeb” than any sort of victimization.
By Bonnie Oliver on 11/12/2008 12:34 am
Dixie Watson

The arrogance of the LDS church to assume they are the religion of "Choice" to those who are passed on is galling. The LDS temples are places of ritual and rite performed partially for the living, but most often for the voiceless dead who have no say in how the LDS church uses their name and memory for their weird and inappropriate practices.

 

To suggest that they do this as a "Service" to the dead, so that they too can recieve all the rights and blessings the LDS believe are solely theirs in Mormon Heaven (see Southpark for a view of this boring place) is such a crock.

I was raised LDS and have seen the creepy inside of this cult and all it’s bizarre practices. What they do on behalf of any ancestors, yours, mine, the Jews, the Catholics or anybody they glean from their front operations of genealogical research is invasive, it’s insulting, and it’s wrong. They have no right to use the names of people who have no voice in the matter for their rituals. This is wrong and should be stopped.

They arrogantly believe they baptized our founding fathers and that great men like Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Adams, and many others came to Wilford Woodruff in a vision and "THANKED HIM" for making it possible for them to be Mormons too. To read the words of our founding fathers and how they viewed separation of church and state, the errors of the Bible, the various fundamentalist ideals of oppressive religions is a sure sign (another LDS buzz word) that the founding fathers not only would not agree to the creepy LDS beliefs but would be offended and roll over in their graves to be considered on the LDS church rolls as members of this cult. 

The LDS church has necro baptized such infamous people as Hitler, Stalin, Ted Bundy, and many others with the absolute retarded belief that "They are not to judge, that’s for God" and they offer salvation to all, even henious murderers.  John D. Lee, the instigator of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, a horrific event the LDS do not like to admit to or discuss was given full Priesthood rights and re-baptized into the church even after his murder conviction. These are the people the church would like to minimize coverage of but they include them right along with anybodies ancestors, INCLUDING YOURS in their rituals.

 

Maybe the Jews could dig up Brigham Young and Wilford Woodruff and other old LDS prophets and posthumosly circumsize them, just for kicks and giggles and initiate their rancid carcasses into the Jewish faith. How would the LDS like that? 

 The arrogance is offensive. The fact that even after they claimed they had stopped is illegal and should be prosecuted. The Temples should lose their tax exemption and the LDS church should be exposed for all their corrupt and twisted practices.

By Dixie Watson on 03/12/2009 11:18 am