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Lesley Stahl | 01/29/2009 10:45 am

Lesley Stahl: Is Fixing Afghanistan Impossible?

Lesley Stahl

Kimberly, your view of Obama’s mountainous challenges in Afghanistan is fresh, enlightening and chilling. First off, I was surprised to read that O has kept so many of the old Bush hands on his team. This is excellent – and another example of the man’s self-confidence and sanity! Usually a new president cleans the slate, wiping away the public’s investment in the previous crew. It’s crazy not to take advantage of their knowledge and experience. Second, you’ve made me feel sorry for Richard Holbrooke, who has taken on the job of “fixing” Afghanistan (and Pakistan). From what you say here, the task is impossible.

I was in Afghanistan in 2003. All you have to do is go there, and you know. In only a few days, it became clear how daunting the “rebuilding” was going to be, even in the capital. Kabul was strewn with rubble — mounds of destroyed buildings, left over from the war ousting the Russians years before. It looked as though there had been no cleaning-up at all.  

We went south of Kabul to Paktia province to visit a school the U.S. had taken on as a “reconstruction” project. Boys and — significantly — girls were attending a few hours a day. This alone was huge. The Taliban had banned little girls from learning to read. But none of the kids at the school had anything to write with — no pens or pencils. My overriding impression was that it was a tiny little project, in a massive ocean of poverty, illiteracy … and the terror of warlords.

I also quickly realized the intractability of the opium trafficking; and training an “Afghan Army” seemed Promethean, since anywhere from 30 to 40 percent of the “soldiers” were deserting. They would go home for R and R, and instead of coming back, they were joining one of the warlords’ private militias, taking their Western training with them.

Anyway, Kimberly, we love your “posts” and hope you’ll keep ‘em coming.

Click here to read Obama and Afghanistan: NoChange.gov? by Kimberly Dozier.

 

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f p
Essentially from everything I’ve read on Afghanistan it’s an impossible fix and a quagmire worse than Iraq. The government of Afghanistan is utterly corrupt—and the various tribes have age old vendettas that are unlikely to be solved any time within the next century. Also the Taliban is still a major force to be reckoned with and Pakistan is in disarray re the Taliban with the complicity of the intelligence service in Pakistan, esp. in the Swat valley. Until Pakistan decides to to do something about the Taliban and restructure and weed out Taliban sympathizers in their own intelligence service I frankly see no end to a conflict there and in Afghanistan. It’s another non-winnable conflict. The US needs to pay heed to what happened to the Brits in the 18th and 19th centuries there and the Russians in the 1980’s. The whole region is a morass we will sink in.
By f p on 01/29/2009 11:04 am
gulliver fourmyle
Keeerect!!!!!—-a fool’s game—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 01/30/2009 9:29 pm
f p
If he does what he says he’s going to do, this will be Obama’s Vietnam.
By f p on 02/02/2009 8:54 am
Dab-a- do
and the various tribes have age old vendettas that are unlikely to be solved any time within the next century.” Frank, that is what I was so concerned about when it was first announced that we would be going into Afghanistan. ” The US needs to pay heed to what happened to the Brits in the 18th and 19th centuries there and the Russians in the 1980’s. The whole region is a morass we will sink in.” I said the same thing but was so roundly scorned by the hysteria produced by the 9/11 attack that I of course shut up. I couldn’t have done anything anyway to sway popular opinion. But history does tell us a lot and I still remember the Russians leaving with their mighty military. Beaten by that rag-tag multiple tribes (Of course I know the Charlie Wilson war and his obtaining our help in that time for the Afghanistan). The tribes have to come together if there is ever to be any type of real goverance by the people. And why, for heaven sakes, doesn’t our country have special forces to go quickly in and out of a country which has little electronical survalance abilities, in order to strike the Taliban terrorist and then leave without our having to keep up the bombing and killing of the majority of their and our innonce people sent there in the military. Is that impossible to ask of a Mossad type of squad to do the work in those parts of the country so that the innocent people will be spared as much as possible? My family has friends from the middle east and they are so kind. But the ones there who are innocent are paying a heavy price for the anger and vengence of the few.
By Dab-a- do on 01/31/2009 11:23 am
f p
Exactly Lily what is currently needed in the mire pf Pakistan/Afghanistan
By f p on 01/29/2009 11:21 am
Frannie Em
fp Female mindset - like that is going to happen over there. What do the people want? Why are we deciding?
By Frannie Em on 01/29/2009 5:59 pm
Diana T
By Diana T on 01/29/2009 12:39 pm
gulliver fourmyle
yup, and when will they get George Washington’s point—-‘no foreign entanglements.?’
By gulliver fourmyle on 01/30/2009 9:33 pm
Diana T
People, there is a very good and not very lengthy book that you should read about the history of Afghanistan. “Afghanistan: A Short History of its People & Politics.” By Martin Ewans, Head of Chancery in Kabul. A member of the British Diplomatic Service. This is a very complicated area, and an even more complex history. One needs to understand the tribes and the tribes within the tribes. It is a very dangerous breeding ground of global terrorism, and you need to understand its political evolution going back into the 18th Century, when the British and the Russians sought to expand the region and there was the First & Second Anglo-Afghan Wars. The events back then set up the situations now. This is a very dangerous and corrupt region. The thought of “democratizing” these people is ridiculous. But, it is one of the most important regions because of what borders it;,Pakistan,Turkmenistan,Uzbekistan,Tajikistan(in other words, Russia). The’ve run the Brits out, the Russians out more than once, they are almost completely illiterate, their brand of Islam is totally fanatical, and their cash crop is opium. If they don’t like you they kill you. They are bordered by nuclear powers and India is very near, also a nuclear power. BTW, when for those that don’t know, when you see “stan” at the end of the word, it means, Land Of. There will be no simple answers in this region of the world, and just the mindset of “fixing” problems is delusional. Too unfortunate that the Bush administration didn’t follow the advice of the experts and concentrate on this area when they had the window of opportunity instead of invading Iraq.
By Diana T on 01/29/2009 12:25 pm
Diana T
From the Council of Foreign Relations. It helps to see what we are talking about here: http://www.cfr.org/publication/18405/pakistans_troubled_tribal_belt.html
By Diana T on 01/29/2009 12:42 pm
rocky rocky
You’re terrific, Diana T. Thank you for the info and the book reference.
By rocky rocky on 02/01/2009 10:02 am
Diana T
Well, you see, we deserted them twice; also, the business with Charlie Wilson did not help matters because of the weapons we got in there. But…one problem is that you got 3 major nuclear powers—India, Russia, Pakistan—and I feel like that is the real reason we are involved. I sure don’t envy Richard Holbrooke, but he is the best man for the job right now.
By Diana T on 01/29/2009 4:59 pm
f p
And the nukes of pakistan are a subject for extreme worry esp. when the ISI is in the pockets of the Taliban—
By f p on 01/30/2009 8:18 am
f p
And the nukes of pakistan are a subject for extreme worry esp. when the ISI is in the pockets of the Taliban—
By f p on 01/30/2009 8:20 am
Frannie Em
Diana re 1:25 Great post and a great synopsis of the problems in the area. I know there is much more complexity than you had time to put up there, but a good post that explains much. Thanks.
By Frannie Em on 01/29/2009 6:03 pm