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Politics | 12/18/2008 3:00 pm

Firestorm Reactions to Obama's Pick of Anti-Gay Rev. Rick Warren Role in Inauguration

By The Staff at wowOwow.com
Obama and Warren shake hands
in Saddleback Forum in August © AP

A firestorm of criticism from liberal and gay-rights activists has followed ever since Obama announced Wednesday that Pastor Dr. Rick Warren will give the invocation at the Inauguration. 

Warren, author of The Purpose Driven Life and other books, preaches conservative Christian issues at his large Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, CA. He stresses about climate, poverty and AIDS in third-world countries. But it’s his outspoken opposition toward abortion and gay marriage that has many human-rights activists, lesbian and gay activists finding Warren’s presence at Obama’s inauguration a slap in the face.

Today, Obama is defending his actions saying that disagreeing is what "America is about." SwampPolitics reports Obama saying:

We’re not going to agree on every single issue, but what we have to do is be able to create an atmosphere where we can disagree without being disagreeable, and then focus on those things that we hold in common. So Rick Warren has been invited to speak. Dr. Joseph Lowery who has deeply contrasting views than Rick Warren on a whole host of issues is also speaking during the course of the entire inaugural festivities, there are going to be a wide range of viewpoints that are presented … Because that’s what America is about.

Click here to read the full transcript.

While Obama is saying that we should all hold hands in harmony and live in peace among our "contrasting views" … his selection of Warren is upsetting human-rights groups. The Human Rights Campaign, the largest homosexual rights organization in the U.S., sent a letter to Obama, urging him to reconsider and calling the invitation "a genuine blow." The letter states that Warren was a proponent of Proposition 8. (The proposition, which eliminated the right of same-sex couples to marry, passed with 52 percent in November.)

"By inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration, you have tarnished the view that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans have a place at your table," says the letter by Joe Solmonese, president of the group. "We feel a deep level of disrespect when one of the architects and promoters of an anti-gay agenda is given the prominence and the pulpit of your historic nomination."

"Rick Warren has not sat on the sidelines in the fight for basic equality and fairness. In fact, Rev. Warren spoke out vocally in support of Prop 8 in California saying, “There is no need to change the universal, historical definition of marriage to appease two percent of our population … This is not a political issue — it is a moral issue that God has spoken clearly about." Furthermore, he continues to misrepresent marriage equality as silencing his religious views. This was a lie during the battle over Proposition 8, and it’s a lie today." 

Click here to read the full letter.

Kathryn Kolbert, president of the equal-rights group People for the American Way, called giving Warren this honor a "grave disappointment."

"Pastor Warren, while enjoying a reputation as a moderate based on his affable personality and his church’s engagement on issues like AIDS in Africa, has said that the real difference between James Dobson and himself is one of tone rather than substance," Kolbert said in a statement. "He has recently compared marriage by loving and committed same-sex couples to incest and pedophilia. He has repeated the Religious Right’s big lie that supporters of equality for gay Americans are out to silence pastors. He has called Christians who advance a social gospel Marxists. He is adamantly opposed to women having a legal right to choose an abortion.

"I’m sure that Warren’s supporters will portray his selection as an appeal to unity by a president who is committed to reaching across traditional divides. Others may explain it as a response to Warren inviting then-Senator Obama to speak on AIDS and candidate Obama to appear at a forum, both at his church. But the sad truth is that this decision further elevates someone who has in recent weeks actively promoted legalized discrimination and denigrated the lives and relationships of millions of Americans." Click here to read the full statement.

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Marilyn Rick
C Hardy, Sorry, it took so long to respond to your post. I said that 911 could have possibly been avoided. If you recall, a female flight instructor (I think in Arizona) called the FBI to inform them that she had a non-American from the Mid East learning to fly a jet who didn’t want to learn how to land the jet. This report not followed up on because of bureaucratic competition between the FBI and other agencies. This bureaucratic competition and infighting was one of the reasons for the formation of the Office of Homeland Security. Additionally, almost all the terrorists (maybe all) entered this country legally on visas. Those visas were expired. I can’t remember all the details but at least one had a student visa even though he never attended school. To this day, no one in government can tell anyone how many people in this country are here on unexpired visas. If we truly want to protect ourselves, one way might be to make sure all foreigners here on expired visas leave when those visas are expired. None of the terrorists crossed over any Mexican or Canadian border. You are right. 911 wasn’t planned because Bush was in office. However, months before 911 the FBI and other agencies were sent warnings that El Quaida was planning an attack, most probably by air. Agents of our government who were responsible for our safety failed in their responsibility given their advanced warning of a critical security risk. So just maybe we possibly could have avoided 911. Additionally, we should have bombed Saudi Arabia or Hamburg, Germany since that is where these terrorists cells were trained. I don’t believe one terrorist came from Iraq.
By Marilyn Rick on 12/20/2008 3:06 pm
C Hardy
Marilyn…does it really matter if they came from Iraq? What Sadam was doing in Iraq and to his people was wrong. Who carse if “we” being the US under Kennedy put him in power thinking we could control him…Oh well, lesson learned, that didnt work. Do I think 9/11 could have been avoided YES, I think any attack could be avoided if caught at the right time and place. Do I think Bush’s people sat back and did nothing NO, I am sure we had guys/gals out there looking and just didnt find anything. Maybe I am being naive but I guess I would much rather believe we were at least trying and not just sitting around doing nothing…I mean Clinton knew where Bin Laden was and YET he didnt do anything to go get him, not that it would have mattered but at least HE knew where he was and let him go after the USS Cole. Its evident we have issues with illegial immigrants and that has been going on for years and years and will still go on for years and years b/c there are some people in our Country who want to give all illegial immigrants free passes and start fresh…I say we gather them all up and send them home and make them come through legally like my ancestors did thru Ellis Island. Open it back up, let them come over, sign in, gain citizenship and be done with it. I would love to have more border controls…let the dogs loose, literally. Just let dogs roam the borders to keep them out. Trust me I have seen a group of over 100 people back down to 2 dogs then 20 police officers with guns…Let the dogs out, oh wait I am sure there will be some group who will say its inhumane for animals to be treated that way???? Merry Christmas and Safe Holidays!
By C Hardy on 12/22/2008 9:56 am
Marilyn Rick
C Hardy, Yes, I think it matters that none of the terrorists involved in 911 came from Iraq. Why couldn’t the US just assassinate Sadam? Clinton allegedly did plan an attack on Bin Laden when he found out where he was but his attempt to capture Bin Laden was thwarted—someone had tipped off Bin Laden just before. As to illegal immigration, I agree with you in large part. We needn’t send them back, however. They got here on their own so they are capable of getting back on their own. I would tell them they have three months to finish whatever needs to be done and, afterwards, there would be no benefits available—no education for children, no housing, no employment, no health care (except to save lives). Those who remain can then be sent home courtesy of the American tax dollar. But the greatest deterrent would be to make knowingly hiring illegal immigrants a crime with a mandatory and lengthy prison sentence— maybe two-five years. A fine means nothing to employers—just the cost of doing business.. Politicians claim that illegal immigrants contribute to the economy. Nonsense. Studies show that women send over 70% of American dollars back home and men send approximately 65%. Money sent home from Mexican illegal immigrants in the US is a big boost to the economy of Mexico—the wealthiest country south of our boarder. I’m not even factoring the cost of services illegal immigrants cost the United States—only the dollars earned in the United States sent home. Sure, we hire more teachers, etc. to teach the children of illegal immigrants. I wouldn’t decrease the number of teachers Instead, I’d use the ESL teachers to reduce class size in classrooms and for special education, etc… Be assured, I am not against guest work programs at all. Employers should be responsible for transportation in and transportation back and housing, even if that housing is in temporary tent cities. No family members can tag along unless they have permits to work. During the depression, men didn’t bring their families along on work projects. Soldiers and others are often away from their families for over a year at a time. Let the families of guest workers stay home. But the best thing we could probably do is to change the Constitution as to who a citizen is—no automatic citizenship for babies born in the US unless their mother is a US citizen. American fathers who father children with legal immigrants could take a DNA test to prove the child is the offspring of an American citizen (so as not to discriminate against men). I also believe a national tamperproof identification program does not violate any constitutional rights as long as the data system is not tied into other banks of data, like health history banks, financial records, criminal data banks, etc. I also think the American public (in mass) should target public servants (senators, congressmen, local officials) who support amnesty with defeat (perhaps by lottery). Call it a “Time Out” program—i.e, it’s time for a public servant who encourages illegal immigration to be unemployed for a time. Eventually, public officials would get the message that Americans do not want illegal immigration. Amnesty does not solve the problem of future illegal immigration—it just postpones the same problem for another time and the problem gets bigger and bigger each time. I would like to see more boarder patrol agents or National Guardsmen patrolling the boarders. That would help increase employment. And if we are really concerned about boarder security—I warn you now that I am going to sound like we should build a Berlin wall—-I would issue shoot to kill orders for anyone attempting to cross the boarder illegally. A few shootings would get the message across. Drug imports is a major problem. I would also hope that President Obama would commute the sentences of the two boarder guards—no pardon though since they were guilty of obstruction of justice, etc. since they tried to hide their shooting of the drug dealer. They did commit crimes no matter what Lou Dobbs said. Sorry for the long post, but there are solutions to the illegal immigration problem that nobody ever wants to talk about. I am all for legal immigration and granting political asylum for those who would be killed in their own countries without it. Have a happy and safe holiday, too.
By Marilyn Rick on 12/22/2008 7:45 pm
C Hardy
Marilyn…I LOVE YOUR POST! I wish we would take those actions against illegal immigration. I would support it 100%. My family came on a boat which took about a month from Lebanon back in 1908 and started a life here and in Canada, legally. I agree there needs to be a wall that keeps people out and if you want to come in, you do it right. Go through check points and get a work visa. Yes more companies need to be taxed or jailed for hiring these illegials. If you birth a child here in the US that does not make him/her a US citizen and I am not saying send a sick Mom/Dad/Child home…I think its wrong to let them come into our Country and do as they like and then demand we give them this or give them that or that WE have to learn their language or we aren’t being fair… Marilyn, thanks again for your post. Glad to see others feel the same. As far as 9/11, it happened, its awful and I will never ever, ever, ever forget it and I can tell my daughter stories of it as my parents did with me and my sister about Vietnam and my Grandfather as he did with WWII and my husband will be able to tell stories to my daughter about his tours of duty in Iraq, Bosnia and Germany. GOD Bless
By C Hardy on 12/22/2008 8:40 pm
Marilyn Rick
Hi C Hardy, Thanks. Is your husband career military? Was he in the first Gulf War? I don’t think anyone who was of an age to be aware will ever forget 911. In my post, I can’t believe I wrote boarder instead of border throughout the post. I wonder if that means something? Yes, I should read my posts and not just type them—but like you, I have many ideas on how to stop illegal immigration and kept on going on and on. Have a nice holiday. I was suppose to go to my son’s house today but the roads are packed with snow and driving is dangerous—it seems all the municipalities are trying to save money by conserving on salt. Looking out the patio door, I would guess there has been an accumulation of 9-10 inches of snow at least. Hope traveling is better for you. You appear to be the age of my son or daughter by the way.
By Marilyn Rick on 12/24/2008 12:34 pm
C Hardy
Marilyn My hubby served 8 months in Iraq in 2003 for this current “war”…I am not 40 yet but close to it. He is 7 years younger than me so we keep each other active! I am in VA so we are only in the 40’s here but my hubby’s family is from WV and they are having snow. We are to travel there for New Year’s as long as the weather permits. Sorry you can’t get out to travel but if you do please, please, please be safe. Watch all those crazy nuts out there who think driving 45 in the snow is ok… Merry Christmas, GOD Bless
By C Hardy on 12/24/2008 2:04 pm
Diana T
Huh? Sorry, I don’t get your drift other than you are mad about the fact that Obama is going to be president. And, yes, Obama? He’s my man… :)
By Diana T on 12/19/2008 12:17 am
Jim Henley
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By Jim Henley on 12/19/2008 12:59 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Obama Defends Warren Choice By BRIAN KNOWLTON President-elect Barack Obama was asked Thursday at his news conference about the furious reaction from some gay-rights groups to his decision to ask Rick Warren to play a role in his Inauguration. The choice of Mr. Warren, pastor of a megachurch in Orange County, Calif., set off a round of criticism by gay rights groups angered by his support for California’s ban on same-sex marriages. Mr. Warren is an outspoken opponent of abortion and same-sex marriage — litmus-test issues for Christian conservatives. Mr. Obama defended the decision as part of his effort to involve a broad range of Americans in the nation’s business without sacrificing civility. “I think that it is no secret that I am a fierce advocate for equality for gay and lesbian Americans,” Mr. Obama said. He noted that he had been invited by Mr. Warren to speak at his church a few years ago — despite their obvious differences — and added that “that dialogue, I think, is part of what my campaign’s been all about; that we’re not going to agree on every single issue, but what we have to do is to be able to create an atmosphere where we can disagree without being disagreeable.” “That’s part of the magic of this country,” said Mr. Obama, “is that we are diverse and noisy and opinionated.”
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 12/18/2008 5:29 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
P.S.“…that we are diverse and noisy and opinionated”. Sounds like us Wowers, don’t it?
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 12/18/2008 5:32 pm
DeBúrca obj
Its not just certain gay rights groups who are upset, it’s also the right wing fundamentalists who don’t like Warren reaching out to Obama. They see it as an endorsement. These people have a lot invested in keeping Americans divided and a lot to lose if we can actually become reasonable people again. All the GOP has is to keep a certain group of right wing fundamentalists hating the Democratic party so that they are willing to vote against their best interests over and over again. Obama is opening these people up to the idea that we can disagree on certain issues but that we have more at stake than just those issues and we must work together, especially during a crisis period like the one we are in.
By DeBúrca obj on 12/18/2008 6:03 pm
Maizie James
De, I was thinking EXACTLY the same … that, “Its not just certain gay rights groups who are upset, it’s also the right wing fundamentalists who don’t like Warren reaching out to Obama. They see it as an endorsement. These people have a lot invested in keeping Americans divided and a lot to lose if we can actually become reasonable people again.” And, I’m convinced that Obama’s message that we can, “disagree with out being disagreeable,” will be sabotaged to the advantage of the ultra conservative ‘right wing’ agenda, to strengthen divisiveness (as you mentioned), no matter the peril for themselves.
By Maizie James on 12/19/2008 12:10 am
DeBúrca obj
I agree about the right wing agenda, and the far left needs to calm down as well. I personally am quite left of center, but I am also a realist who knows that it takes compromise and working together to get things done, which is what Obama wants to do…get things done! But beyond that I think Obama has an even loftier plan, to change the cancerous atmosphere that has taken hold of this country in the last decade, where people no longer think of their fellow Americans as “true” Americans, unless they believe exactly the same things.
By DeBúrca obj on 12/19/2008 11:24 am
f p
Phyllis—have a lovely Christmas my good friend :-)
By f p on 12/24/2008 11:28 am
Jim Henley
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By Jim Henley on 12/18/2008 11:59 pm