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Wall Street Weekly | 11/21/2008 10:10 am

Liz Peek: Is a Decade of Depression Upon Us?

By Liz Peek
Dorothea Lange/Library of Congress

Bears, Bulls, Chickens and Pigs: wOw’s Wall Street Weekly with Liz Peek (Week of 11/17) 

Editor’s Note: Liz Peek is a financial columnist and the author of wOw’s SHEconomics. 

OK, so now I am getting really angry. And also frightened. This may be very good news, because those of you who regularly read this column (bless you!) know that I have steadfastly looked for the silver lining these past few months. When everyone is running in one direction, I usually try to head in the other. That’s what you’re supposed to do as an investor, but it sure hasn’t helped this year. Recently, it’s been smart to run for the exits along with everyone else.

I’m mad – at Congress, at Treasury Secretary Paulson (I wish he would develop laryngitis), at President Bush, who has so squandered his personal capital that he can’t produce even a modicum of credible reassurance for the nation, at the auto companies for sounding more alarm bells at exactly the worst time and for resolutely making terrible automobiles, at the banks for sitting on piles of money, at the idiot at my favorite light-rock music station who started playing Christmas music on November 10 reminding me of just how somber the holidays are going to be this year, for all those who are  pulling their money out of the market and buying Treasuries instead and for one of my friends who said to a group at lunch the other day, “Well, my husband saw this coming so we are in very, very good shape.” I almost punched her. The new social etiquette is: Don’t crow. Most people are hurting, badly.

I live in New York, the epicenter of this crisis. I don’t at all want to minimize the pain being felt elsewhere, but here in the country’s financial center everyone knows people who have lost their jobs and their fortunes. Talk easily turns to that most dreaded possibility – New York sliding back into the crime-ridden darkness of the 1970s when magnificent apartments sold for one dollar – to someone who could handle the maintenance. Already the son of a friend has been mugged – at midnight on the street where I live – no injuries, thank heavens, but a very frightening episode nonetheless.

So is this the end? Are we heading for a decade of depression? Are Treasuries the only place to put money? Most people think that the shocking drop in stock prices has little to do with fundamentals and everything to do with panic. Look at United States Steel (NYSE X $21), which is selling at two-and-a-half times forward earnings despite a robust balance sheet and expectations of future infrastructure spending which would boost demand for steel. The stock is being trashed because all types of construction (now including commercial) are headed south, guaranteeing a downturn in steel demand. Still … two times earnings?

And what about Citigroup, selling under $5 per share? This mighty financial institution that only recently received another shot of capital from their Saudi prince – isn’t the company going to survive? The talk late last night was of restructuring or possible sale, but surely most scenarios would not wipe out the common shareholders.

The best explanation for the rout in stocks that I have read recently was in yesterday’s Wall Street Journal. In a story titled “Ignore the Stock Market Until February,” a former hedge-fund manager details several reasons that the market is plummeting. The first, believe it or not, is tax-loss selling. Even though the market has seemingly gone straight down all year, fund managers are still sitting on gains in stocks they bought years ago. Since investors want their money back – Right Now! – funds are taking gains as they dump stocks. The ultimate insult will be to find out that you’re down 55% in the mutual fund you just redeemed, but you still owe Uncle Sam capital gains tax. I had dinner with a longtime manager earlier this week who warned me that everyone should look into this. Most of us (sadly) are in an excellent position to take losses, and should do so.

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Ann Marie Rose
personally, I thikn the first place we should start is by not paying people millions of dollard in salaries. Actors, sports figures, CEOs…etc. There should be a salary cap on how much people can make. The rest of the profit should be dispersed to the rest of us and to the government. Stop bailing out auto makers and financial institutions who pay their people WAY too much money. Give to the teachers and health care workers..people whose job is way more important than some stupid football player. Get people jobs, good health care and good wages. Stop trying to keep poor people poor, and rich people rich. Equal opportunity. Not opportunity only for the rich.
By Ann Marie Rose on 11/21/2008 9:27 am
Cynthia Ceilan
>> “There should be a salary cap on how much people can make. The rest of the profit should be dispersed to the rest of us and to the government.” Sorry, Ann Marie, I know you mean well, but this was the basis of communism… and we all know how that turned out.
By Cynthia Ceilan on 11/21/2008 11:33 am
gulliver fourmyle
the problem is not ‘communism’ or ‘capitalism’—-either may wreak havoc—-take a hard look at Cuba, it became Owned by the American Mafia—-95% of the population were starving—-now? no one starves, Cuba has the highest literacy rate in the Western Hemisphere, the lowest infant mortality rate—-so, is communism essentially bad? No. people are—-that is the problem—-any economic system is only as good as its people—-so, Mao was a mess, Deng cleaned it up—- who made your computer?
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/23/2008 8:21 pm
gulliver fourmyle
your ‘beef’ is what Roger Corman’s cult classic, ‘Death Race 2000’ focuses on—-‘black-comedy’ that ends with—-stopping the ‘rule-of-the-privlileged-elite’—-some nudity, Stallone’s greatest role, as others—-some ‘gore’—-but funny-as-hell—-and so appropriate to ‘Now’, it’s not to be missed—-enjoy—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/21/2008 6:56 pm
gulliver fourmyle
The greatest good for the greatest number’. yes—-the greed of just the auto-industries has mass-extinction breathing down our back—-how does such happen? find my physics posts, if still around—-+entropy (tendency-to-disorder, known as ‘S’) is The property of mass, as a planet—-math-wise? simple S=md—-where m=mass, d=distance—- fortunately there is ‘-S’—-tendency to order, math-wise -S=m/d—-so what? you may never escape ‘S’ on a massive planet—-you must leave—- you have a huge military budget, for killing, turn that around for Life—-Lunar colonization—-a good start—-jump 6 times further? probably live 6X longer—-i’ll be dead, by age, but in 50 years you could have huge sub-surface, self-sustaining Lunar colonies—-no Green-House, Solar Flare, Near Super-Nova, Gamma-Ray Burster, asteroid impact threat could waste humanity—-we would be safe—-here? sitting ducks—- now, please—-i may ‘back-up’ what i say, with solid science—-no BS—-get this bunch to work—-i do not wish to ‘land’ on earth again—-given “Heaven’ may only be 250,000 miles away, and we’ve been there—-thanks—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/23/2008 7:04 pm
gulliver fourmyle
the trick is to follow ‘the-point’—-you learn this stuff on ‘death-row’—-the older? seems sadly more to learn—-the bright spot is modern physics and life-science—-and that ‘ever-saving’ phrase, ‘given enough time’—-is a thing, as Heaven is shown, as i do via. pro references, if such be possible, ‘given enough time’ it is mandatory—-it’s not faith—-it’s trust in Life—- should Life be trouble, the ‘cleaner’ is always watching—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/24/2008 12:01 am
gulliver fourmyle
while i pray this cruel world may be my personal delusion—-doubt it—-we’re all born on ‘death-row’—-but you may see, as the calender goes on, you get more ‘spooked’—-not going over your head, re-read—-there remains an important issue—-is ‘Life’ legal? given a ‘perfect-as-ya-get’ future? OK—-to just repeat this mess? it’s fired—-not by me alone—-by you, jane doe, and john X—-ok? i think all vote—-even the HIV ‘hit”, African Cival War, or Iraq, Israel——the harmed—-that is Life’s prob—-then the vote——
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/24/2008 12:45 am
gulliver fourmyle
about leaving—-Buzz Aldrin was actually asked, by an arrogant reporter—-‘with so much mess here, why fund a space program?’ his prompt reply? ‘It’s about leaving’.’ nothing’s over your head, it’s really quite simple—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/25/2008 11:58 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
And there’s pirating and looting on the high seas! Captain Hook is alive and well. Will it never end? There are people like Andrew Sorkin who seem to have some good ideas re: the auto industry debacle and the debates continue in Congress despite the log jams. Good news? I can’t wait.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 11/21/2008 9:52 am
gulliver fourmyle
pirates? as Woody Guthrie noted, ‘some will rob ya with a six-gun, some with a fountain pen.’ too bad ‘Captain Jack Sparrow’ is myth. given the old rule, ‘Never steal anything small’, i wonder why we don’t have school-courses in bank robbery, etc. whoops, forgot, we do—-called ‘prison’. or Harvard—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/24/2008 9:20 pm
Dorothy S
Liz, Do you have advice? Stayed in safe stocks ove the years. Split between Lehman Brothers bonds, Wachovia, Citigroup, GE, and a smattering of small numbers of others. Will Lehman be forever gone? No help there? We are scared. Poor health. Very scared.Not old enough yet for social security or medicare. No pension funds at all. We worked ourselves (to poor health )as entrepeneurs and so our money upon sale of small business was all put into investments. Have children in collegeThen we got wacked by colleges. Income from stocks abut 23,000 a year and our kids got some merit scholarships but very little. Our investments could not be seen as our only pension. We followed the American dream and are……….trying very hard to find a way to get our health care paid for. $15,000 a year for the two of us. We know retail and can find lots of empty stores now…………..but then who is to say we open a store, work 90 hours a week, and we too won’t fail in this economy? We think it is not a good time to be selling anything except soup and macaroni and cheese. Oh, but I have flour allergy, so that’s out too.So much for the bread line. Living on our hard won earnings but seeing it drop by over 50% in the past weeks and quickly disappearing has been alarming, depressing, frightening. Liz, I have been listening to Jim Cramer. Too late I am. I actually am hoping for him to be named as Treasury Secretary.
By Dorothy S on 11/21/2008 10:14 am
gulliver fourmyle
Wachovia? their Fla. base is right out my window—-2 week’s ago the entire 30 stories were totally lit-up ‘till 3:00AM—-usually it’s one dark place after 5:00 pm—-all hell must have been loosed—-don’t know what they were doing—-covering their butts? probably—-spooky—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/21/2008 6:44 pm
gulliver fourmyle
well, now ya know—-my kids (9)—-as i, some, who cared, earned full scholarships, or tough-shit—-ya do not owe them an education—-they Earn that, on their own—-and i have a Berkley Regent Scholar daughter #4—-24 Regents in Cal—-of millions of students they pick 24—- when bush invaded Iraq, you should have converted any stocks to platinum—-instantly—-you’d be sittin’ pretty—-the main rule is this—-when a major nation is obviously insane, the world dumps their stock for metal—-before it’s too late—- then, when the market ‘bottoms-out’, you cautiously convert your metal earnings back to stocks—-yup, be patient, rich again—-you may forgo my usual fee—-a ‘thanks’ will suffice—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/23/2008 7:37 pm
Chrome Toe
wouldn’t now be the time to start buying some stocks though if you have money you can afford to lose if you have to? stocks and real estate…?
By Chrome Toe on 11/21/2008 10:18 am
gulliver fourmyle
yes—-and ‘commercial’ real estate, not residential—-for those ‘liquid’, a golden chance—-a very old story—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/23/2008 7:45 pm