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Wall Street Weekly | 11/21/2008 10:10 am

Liz Peek: Is a Decade of Depression Upon Us?

By Liz Peek
Dorothea Lange/Library of Congress

Bears, Bulls, Chickens and Pigs: wOw’s Wall Street Weekly with Liz Peek (Week of 11/17) 

Editor’s Note: Liz Peek is a financial columnist and the author of wOw’s SHEconomics. 

OK, so now I am getting really angry. And also frightened. This may be very good news, because those of you who regularly read this column (bless you!) know that I have steadfastly looked for the silver lining these past few months. When everyone is running in one direction, I usually try to head in the other. That’s what you’re supposed to do as an investor, but it sure hasn’t helped this year. Recently, it’s been smart to run for the exits along with everyone else.

I’m mad – at Congress, at Treasury Secretary Paulson (I wish he would develop laryngitis), at President Bush, who has so squandered his personal capital that he can’t produce even a modicum of credible reassurance for the nation, at the auto companies for sounding more alarm bells at exactly the worst time and for resolutely making terrible automobiles, at the banks for sitting on piles of money, at the idiot at my favorite light-rock music station who started playing Christmas music on November 10 reminding me of just how somber the holidays are going to be this year, for all those who are  pulling their money out of the market and buying Treasuries instead and for one of my friends who said to a group at lunch the other day, “Well, my husband saw this coming so we are in very, very good shape.” I almost punched her. The new social etiquette is: Don’t crow. Most people are hurting, badly.

I live in New York, the epicenter of this crisis. I don’t at all want to minimize the pain being felt elsewhere, but here in the country’s financial center everyone knows people who have lost their jobs and their fortunes. Talk easily turns to that most dreaded possibility – New York sliding back into the crime-ridden darkness of the 1970s when magnificent apartments sold for one dollar – to someone who could handle the maintenance. Already the son of a friend has been mugged – at midnight on the street where I live – no injuries, thank heavens, but a very frightening episode nonetheless.

So is this the end? Are we heading for a decade of depression? Are Treasuries the only place to put money? Most people think that the shocking drop in stock prices has little to do with fundamentals and everything to do with panic. Look at United States Steel (NYSE X $21), which is selling at two-and-a-half times forward earnings despite a robust balance sheet and expectations of future infrastructure spending which would boost demand for steel. The stock is being trashed because all types of construction (now including commercial) are headed south, guaranteeing a downturn in steel demand. Still … two times earnings?

And what about Citigroup, selling under $5 per share? This mighty financial institution that only recently received another shot of capital from their Saudi prince – isn’t the company going to survive? The talk late last night was of restructuring or possible sale, but surely most scenarios would not wipe out the common shareholders.

The best explanation for the rout in stocks that I have read recently was in yesterday’s Wall Street Journal. In a story titled “Ignore the Stock Market Until February,” a former hedge-fund manager details several reasons that the market is plummeting. The first, believe it or not, is tax-loss selling. Even though the market has seemingly gone straight down all year, fund managers are still sitting on gains in stocks they bought years ago. Since investors want their money back – Right Now! – funds are taking gains as they dump stocks. The ultimate insult will be to find out that you’re down 55% in the mutual fund you just redeemed, but you still owe Uncle Sam capital gains tax. I had dinner with a longtime manager earlier this week who warned me that everyone should look into this. Most of us (sadly) are in an excellent position to take losses, and should do so.

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beth willis
Although I agree with you, Ann Marie, about the absurdity of inflated salaries to athletes and, actors and CEOs, I’m not sure we can nationalize the sports and entertainment industries. BUT we can add some regulation to the licentious lucre laid out to CEOs. If they want bailouts, cut their wages and we’ll lend them matching funds at 6%, which I believe is the current unemployment rate. We control the athletes and actors by boycotting their ‘products’. Not to punish them, but we should be aware who really pays their salaries. I have a question to Liz, why do the auto executives not go to China to get their loans? That’s what our government will have to resort to. Is there some law about private industry negotiating loans with foreign countries? Phyllis, I very much enjoyed your rap the other day, but did not get back to the site. Another question, why is it that the government never talks about bailing out the schools, yet talks so much about education? ‘If you think we can’t afford education, wait until you see how much ignorance costs.’ Me thinks we r. Peace and grace
By beth willis on 11/21/2008 10:30 am
gulliver fourmyle
you mention China, that’s The P.R.C.? right—-in decades i found them the most honest, loyal biz partners—-and i was not ‘out-sourcing’—-importing products not made here—-i do not approve of ‘capital punishment’—-but the P.R.C. has plenty of ‘corruption’ probs—-and a simple solution—-rapid trial—-conviction? shot dead next day—- this may seem barbaric, but it makes many think twice—-i’d lock ‘em up—-China prefers a more stern warning—-seems to be working—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/21/2008 7:15 pm
gulliver fourmyle
as said, ‘till 9th grade i was raised on Fed Nuclear ‘reserves’—-the schooling was incredible vs. the general public—-then you have the Sputnik-inspired ‘space-race’—-the Fed dumped tons of educational funding in the 50’s, hoping to get ‘smarter’ kids—-they did—-kids smart enough to rebel—-as hippies, weathermen, war protesters, civil-rights ‘fighters’—-not what they expected—-doubt they’ll try that again—- the ruling elites do not want you smart enough to raise hell—-and until things get really bad for the ‘middle-class’, you will see little change—-yet if that ‘middle-class’ is pushed to ‘getting-smart’—-then, as Brando points out in ‘Burn’—-your slaves become your masters, heads roll—-he considered that his best—-maybe, certainly watching it is one killer ‘civics’ lesson—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/24/2008 9:51 pm
Serena .
” … the idiot at my favorite light-rock music station who started playing Christmas music on November 10 … and for one of my friends who said to a group at lunch the other day, ‘Well, my husband saw this coming so we are in very, very good shape.’ I almost punched her.” HEAR, HEAR!! I thought the same damn thing just the other day as I scanned over to one of my favorite radio stations (maybe now, one of my EX-favorite radio stations). Who in the hell wants to even THINK about Christmas right now? And oh, the people I’d love to B-slap with their stupid comments—idiocy is running rampant these days.
By Serena . on 11/21/2008 11:08 am
Mommy Dearest
Almost? Ahahahaha, Serena, dear. You SHOULD have punched her - friend or not. Mommy assures you that no jury in the land would have convicted you.
By Mommy Dearest on 11/21/2008 12:36 pm
Serena .
And why is that Mommy?
By Serena . on 11/21/2008 2:28 pm
Mommy Dearest
Because, my dear, it is more than unseemly behavior to flaunt one’s comfortable position in the midst of others’ turmoil. True friends do not behave that way, dahling Serena.
By Mommy Dearest on 11/22/2008 11:12 am
mary lou s
i’m with honeychild. if you have money somewhere (mine is in a 401k), now is the time to buy stock.
By mary lou s on 11/21/2008 11:24 am
marta pont
I had promised myself not to open my mouth on the subject. I happen to live in a land of unfullfilled promise, a land of riches & disgraceful administrations. You had eight years of a lousy president, we had 60 years of mismanagement!!! My country fills me with shame. But after so many years of hoping for the worst (if you excuse my metaphor or whatever figure of speech this is) I learned to be extremely careful with my choices & loyalties. Governments should not be trusted per se (even when you voted for them), no administration has your best interests on its mind, you have to keep your eyes open & be on the alert at all times & always. always, keep money liquid or a good cash flow (as the cogniscenti would say) . Chances are, sooner or later, you will need those monies to keep you above water & debt free.
By marta pont on 11/21/2008 11:32 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
And you live where?
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 11/21/2008 5:01 pm
marta pont
In Buenos Aires, Argentina under the worst administration ever, and let me tell you we have had some very nasty ones.
By marta pont on 11/21/2008 5:25 pm
phyllis Doyle Pepe
I know.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 11/21/2008 5:41 pm
gulliver fourmyle
my 1st daughter is an internationally ranked ‘ball-room’ dancer, her own teaching studio—-she specializes in Latin and just returned from a major competition in B-A—-she did well—-but is not keen on ‘looking-below-the-surface’—-she thought all seemed fine—-she’s a super dancer, politician? forget it—-i know well SA’s probs—-keep the USA out—-things should improve—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/23/2008 8:04 pm
marta pont
Thanks x yr good wishes. I undestand yr daughter, the surface is brilliant but we know what lurks below. It is going to get much worse in the coming months before it gets better, if ever. Sometimes, I despair.
By marta pont on 11/24/2008 7:37 am
gulliver fourmyle
i was in Mexico city for weeks—-i know—-the underside is nasty—-and you may not trust anyone for biz—-unlike the Chinese, the Mexicans just robbed me—-#2 daughter spent a year in Niqua, caring for ‘dump-yard’ kids—-she was always accompanied by armed guards—-the only place i trust would be Costa Rica—-or Canada—- be careful—-
By gulliver fourmyle on 11/24/2008 9:10 pm