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Liz Smith | 02/18/2009 6:00 am

Liz Smith: Brangelina-Style Parenting … The Octo-Mom Uproar – Take the Babies From Her? … Vladimir Putin Denies Loving Abba

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“Had I been sterile, darling, I’d be happier today,” said Katharine Hepburn’s Eleanor of Aquitaine to her son, Richard, played by Anthony Hopkins in "The Lion in Winter."

The real-life Eleanor bore ten children, two from King Louis VII of France and eight by King Henry II of England. She wasn’t very close to her children, but maybe that’s because Henry had her imprisoned for 16 years. There’s just no pleasing some men.

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Are you all Angelina-ed out? Especially now with the infamous “Octo-Mom,” her brood of 14 and her suspiciously plush, Jolie-esque lips? 

Eh, don’t be like that. It’s not Miss Jolie’s fault. Blame the culture of reality TV and cable news. Once upon a time women simply wanted to look like their favorite stars. Now they want to be just as fertile and/or maternal.

Jolie and Brad Pitt’s twins, Knox and Vivienne, are seven months old. Brad and Angie are determined that Knox and Viv develop individual personalities, and come to be treated as separate entities, not as “the twins.” It helps that Knox is a boy and Viv a girl, so there can’t be a lot of dressing alike (although I’ve seen that!) but the famous mom and dad want all their children — six, so far — to feel distinctive and special. Be cynical if you like, but I feel that Jolie and Pitt are genuine in their parenting and also their world concerns. Or would you rather see them arguing in nightclubs, all dressed up?

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Speaking of Octo-Mom, the fallout from Nadya Suleman’s multiple births has been severe. Criticism from her own mother; death threats against her and her publicist, who has since quit. (Miss Suleman now has an agent, who appears made of sterner stuff.) Cable TV talking heads are screaming for her children to be taken from her. Oh, dear.

Miss Suleman does appear to be somewhat clarity-challenged, and a classic narcissist, but this is still America, not yet a gulag or dictatorship. I say all these concerned bloviating cable-ready millionaires should pitch in financially, make sure all the kids are well-cared for. Broker a deal with Nadya — your children will be tended to, and stay with you, but you must never appear on television or give another interview. Sign here. Remember, just one word to any of the ladies of “The View” and your money gets yanked. Perhaps some would see that as rewarding irresponsible behavior, but the children would be assured proper care. That’s what all these red-faced men, screaming for the infants to be taken away and given up for adoption, want — right?

Oh, and nerves are strained among producers who put out reality shows with a gazillion kids: “Jon & Kate Plus 8” and “18 Kids & Counting.” The octuplet debacle has opened a floodgate of criticism about the propagation of enormous families and having cameras shoved in the faces of hapless children, 24/7. 

It doesn’t help that the parents on both these shows are less than sympathetic — Kate Gosselin of “Jon & Kate” gives new meaning to “tough cookie”! (Jon, a doughy sad sack, appears ready to hit the road.) Although one does worry over poor Mrs. Duggar, mother of 18, and counting. No matter what her religion or her husband says, I bet she’d like to stop. And I feel sorry for the older Duggar children, parenting the young ones — is anybody having a normal growing-up here?

I wouldn’t cry, seeing these shows off the air, along with the truly horrifying ones about beauty pageant kids and their parents. Reality TV is pretty bad, encouraging the worst kind of behavior, but most of these shows involve so-called adults. I’d rather not watch the exploitation of children, or of a woman’s ability to bear as many children as she can, just because she can.

21 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Beverley Maddox

As far as Angelina and Brad go.. I’m not a big fan of either. But I cannot say anything bad concerning their parenting. And for them to adopt and give children a good home.. how can you really be against that?

 

And the lady with all the children.. well all I can do is pray for the children

 

Jon & Kate plus eight? Their children seem well cared for. They let them run a little wild in my opinion. But hell, I’ve never tried to raise 8 at the same time.

 

The Duggars.. They seem like a well adjusted family to me. They are not on any kind of assistance. And I have never seen any of those children back talk their parents. Mr. & Mrs. Duggar seem to love everyone of their children equally. And from what I’ve seen the kids have chores, but they are not the ones raising the kids. The parents are.

By Beverley Maddox on 02/18/2009 7:20 am
Grande Camper

As far as Angelina and Brad go.. I’m not a big fan of either. But I cannot say anything bad concerning their parenting. And for them to adopt and give children a good home.. how can you really be against that?

I agree.  Not only do they have their own children they have adopted children.  I haven’t seen any of their children run wild.  So I think thier doing the best job they can do.

By Grande Camper on 02/18/2009 9:50 am
c h
I’m sorry, the Duggars give me the willies.  They may not be on any kind of PUBLIC assistance but they’ve cornered the market on CORPORATE assistance.  I’ve heard Johnson and Johnson and of course, Discovery Channel mentioned.  There’s also been mention of their church subsidizing their breeding operation.  (An obvious attempt to "grow" their congregation.)  Beyond the moral implications of producing more spawn in our already challenged environment, I mourn the way their daughters are being raised:  they are being programmed to be good little robot baby machines just like Mom.  They will never have an opportunity for an advanced education, they will never know what it means to participate in society, they will just be another clown-car uterus, pumping out good little Christian Soldiers for the cult. 
By c h on 02/18/2009 10:32 am
Beverley Maddox

ch-  Don’t get me wrong here Shugg.. I don’t want, could not handle, can’t even fathom being a parent to that many children. But that doesn’t mean that I have the right to judge parents who not only take very good care of and provide a loving home for their children. I don’t agree with your use of the words breeding operation, spawn, or clown car uterus.These are children we’re talking about. And they go out into society all the time! And as far as being programmed to be "good little robot baby machines" I don’t agree with you there. They had an episode just a few weeks back where Mrs. Duggar was teaching her boys to cook, while Mr. Duggar taught his girls how to change the oil in their cars and change their tires as well. I don’t really see why they would not have an opportunity for advanced education. Maybe you know something I don’t.. I do know this..every church that I have attended has always made an attempt to add to their congregation. I think that’s why Jesus said " be ye fisher’s of men"  and while He did say for us to catch the fish ..  He didn’t say we had to clean them. He does that..

"They may not be on any kind of PUBLIC assistance but they’ve cornered the market on CORPORATE assistance.  I’ve heard Johnson and Johnson and of course, Discovery Channel mentioned. "

 I honestly have no problem with that.. These companies sponser people all the time. And the Duggars are not taking tax payer’s money to raise their children. They have their own income .

 

By Beverley Maddox on 02/18/2009 1:20 pm
Andy C

I do agree with you c h.  I believe that having children means being responsible for them, not the church, not mega-corporations, not the Discovery Channel and certainly not the older children,,,,,other than an occasional babysitting job.  As far as ‘octo-mom’ puleeze, her reasoning leaves me totally incredulous with my mouth open.

Angelina and Bradd?  They made a fool out of poor Jennifer Anniston (sp?) and it was so very public.  I can barely tolerate either of them. 

 

By Andy C on 02/18/2009 2:26 pm
Andrea Brandon

"Broker a deal with Nadya — your children will be tended to, and stay with you, but you must never appear on television or give another interview…………Perhaps some would see that as rewarding irresponsible behavior, but the children would be assured proper care."

You’re kidding, right?

 

By Andrea Brandon on 02/18/2009 7:43 am
Sandbee (FB) 54
For all I knew before all of this multi-baby fuss, there could have been a Jon and Kate Duggar.  Never watched any of them and certainly don’t intend to start with them or the mother of 60 or however many she is going to end up with.
By Sandbee (FB) 54 on 02/18/2009 7:45 am
fiona two

While we may question this woman’s judgement,  motives,  and perhaps  even her clarity, we must remember that the only sure consequence of villafying her will be a lack of support and donnations for her eight premature babies, as well as the rest of her family, some of whom do and will most likely have some special needs.  Maybe it is time to put our outrage behind and find a way to help turn this questionable situation into something positive. Humanity at its best allows us to help even those with whom we profoundly disagree.

By fiona two on 02/18/2009 8:43 am
fiona two
and by helping others I mean helping them see the way out of their troubles, the way to resolve their problems, not just usurping their responsibilties or negating their accountability.
By fiona two on 02/18/2009 8:48 am
B Clark

I so emphatically don’t care.

You see, several years ago I came to the conclusion that 99.99% of what was on TV was complete brain rot.  I’ve been purchasing my favorite series on DVD and been watching Emergency, Adam 12, Remmington Steele, Sci fi series etc.  So when the TV stations switched signals and most of the stations I could get over air went dead - I didn’t notice.

A pizza parlor I went to a few months back had some cable show blairing with some dysfunctional family on it.  The mother and teenage daughter kept reffering to eachother as complete b-aches.  Oh gag me with a spoon - who are they kidding?  Everyone knows they were saying bitch.  If you are going to have a potty mouth then come out and cuss like a sailor loudly and proudly.  There’s nothing classy about it but trying to hide it just makes them look all the more stupid.

What passes for news these days is enough to make Walter Conkite spin in his grave, and he’s not even dead yet.  If someone forced me at gunpoint to purchase access to a station on which I had to watch live TV it would be a PBS station.

By B Clark on 02/18/2009 8:52 am
rocky rocky
I worry about Ms Suleman. She has just given birth. This is a very physically and emotionally vulnerable time — as it would be for any mom and for any newborn. She must bond with those children and they with her — or life will be very difficult for them forever. All this hate and sarcasm and total negativism from the whole world aimed at her cannot be wise or healthy or facilitating in any way. I am very concerned about what we all are doing …
By rocky rocky on 02/18/2009 10:09 am
Judy K.

Has anyone thought that Ms. Suleman might have MORE children.  She never said she would stop and likes having babies.   And I agree with C H.  Women are not just baby-making machines, cranking out kids like clockwork.  I remember someone saying to me when I was young that it was my duty to have kids.  Yikes that scares me to this day.

By Judy K. on 02/18/2009 11:30 am
katywon LA..

These 16 children should be the primary focus for the future.  Even if someone sponsors them and they are raised well and disabilities treated. Things happen.  

 I can tell you that sometimes death happens as is inevitable. In my family my mother had six children even though she had a heart defect from a childhood illness.  She left the family with a sudden heart attack leaving five children below the age of 13. We were taken care of by family luckily but it was not an easy road.  Along the way my five year old sister ran away from me at a park when I was seven and was killed by a drunk truckdriver.  That is something that can happen when the "older " children are mothering the younger ones.  We were lucky and grew up healthy etc and happy as children even in the circumstances.  But I think families with 7, 8, 16 children should not be used as good examples for other young vulnerable women.

I hope this is not off topic 

  It is a womans’ right to choose today and picturing an idyllic life when supported by donors orTV shows does not make it easier. Judy K is right. 

By katywon LA.. on 02/18/2009 4:31 pm
Lizzie R.

I have only caught Jon & Kate several times and then for only a few minutes, because it was so awful, but Kate always seemed angry at her husband. Same for the Duggers…I am only waiting for her to reach menopause and get her hair cut. They make me crazy - a 21st century side show….both families. Now we have the new litter mom working the system, with an agent yet. I’m with Liz, give her help, but NO publicity at all.

Those Taira kids are the most disgusting exploitation of little girls, parading around  with provocative outfits shaking their little butts. Then their mothers decided to enter the contest too and I almost died at that quite overweight mother strutting about on stage in a SWIM SUIT trying to win some sort of idiot crown too. I actually watched this, as could not believe it and became open mouthed hypnotized . 

By Lizzie R. on 02/18/2009 7:10 pm
Andrea Brandon
It all comes down to RESPONSIBLE parenting, not delivering kids for the purpose of giving the mother friends/siblings. Seriously, how many families have just one child? Have you ever known that only child to be so desperately miserable by himself? Gawd, did Suleman ever hear of schoolmates? The whole thing smacks of irresponsibility and fantasy, with no handle on reality. Quite a role model for bringing up 14 kids!
By Andrea Brandon on 02/18/2009 10:12 pm