Post | 08/20/2008 10:15 am
That Famous, Insignificant Pitcher of Spit!
“It ain’t worth a pitcher of hot spit!”
This is how John Nance Garner described the office of the vice president of the United States. But these days it seems to mean more.
I feel the long primary process, running up to the Democratic and GOP conventions, has exhausted potential voters and many are disillusioned. There is definite “buyer’s remorse” over Barack Obama’s nomination and in New York he has dropped over ten points in his lead. John McCain was never a big favorite of the conservative GOP and as he swerved to the right, he erased his attractive maverick image and irritated middle-of-the-road and independent voters.
Both candidates are imperfect. So perhaps the choice of a running mate has never been so important, except for when JFK selected Lyndon Johnson. And while experts keep saying that polls indicate nobody pays attention
to the vice-presidential candidate, in this case it matters. The
office is a kind of antidote this year to general disillusion.
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Even when Hillary Clinton isn’t listed anymore as a running mate, people invariably drift into speaking of her or writing her in on many polls. She made quite an impact and many believe Obama should be brave enough to risk alienating some of his supporters because she’d help him in the race.
And I don’t think all that talk about Bill being the 2,000-pound gorilla in the room makes sense. Senator Clinton knows how her husband’s intransigence hurt her campaign. If she became veep I believe he’d be completely sidelined. She has learned her lesson and now is more famous and important than he is.
In a CBS poll of Democratic delegates, taken after the John Edwards debacle, Hillary ended up at 28 percent, Joe Biden had only 6 percent and Evan Bayh, Bill Richardson and, get this, John Edwards, tied at 4 percent each. So like her or not, Hillary is still a player and at the moment may be the most dynamic woman in U.S. history.
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Joe Biden of Delaware seems like Obama’s favorite. He is good-looking, smart, capable and knows international affairs. Of course, he talks too much but lately seems to have “caught on” to his faults. The problem is he is very much a Senate veteran, so forget the “change” idea. He also sucks all the air out of the room. (Shades of Bill Clinton.)
If Obama selects either Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas or Claire McCaskill of Missouri, I don’t think it will help him. Women would say, “Why not Hillary in that case?”
Bill Richardson is a good guy who’d appeal to Latinos but I think he’s made for a cabinet post. He is sincere but not an eloquent speaker. Evan Bayh and Chris Dodd. Come on – way too steadfast, old-fashioned, not meant for the “change” ticket. Virginia hasn’t voted for a Democrat in ages, so Governor Tim Kaine could double down on “change.” He has an important swing state and a chance.
Caroline Kennedy, who is on the selection committee? Well, it’s quite an idea. I don’t know what she’d deliver actually, but she is good-looking, smart, well-educated, rich, connected, very much her own person. No scandal has ever touched her, though people are not crazy about her husband.
She might be an appealing choice – female, impeccable, connected via Uncle “Teddy” and her legendary family name.
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All evidence seems to be pointing to Joe Biden for Obama - even Geraldine Ferraro came out last night and said Obama should pick Biden - didn’t mention Hillary.
I read a Chicago news article and it looks like Obama will announce his mate Saturday in Illinois, in the heart of Republican country in the midwest. Not long ago I read an article which said the people of Illinois don’t like the democrat governor. I wonder if the Republicans in the area will carry a pitcher of spit as Mr. Garner said. If I remember right, Obama announced his candidacy in Springfield.
On Rachel Maddow’s radio show last night, it was discussed that Obama’s campaign will send the email/text message out (he’s alerting his supporters first) on Friday night, so it will be in all the papers Saturday, show their faces in Springfield on Saturday afternoon, and the pundits will have all day on the Sunday talkshows to talk about it - leading right up to the convention. It’s rather ingenious timing, when you think about it.
lorraine, the pundits tape their opinion shows on friday for sunday consumption, so it would do an end run around them.
well i guess the warm spit and biden sort of go hand in hand, don’t they?
Liz, I think you are correct about Hillary dumping that gorilla in the room, big-bad-Bill, once she got back into that “right” room in the White House. She’s paid her dues, stood by him through the thicks and the thins; now it’s her turn to howl and nothing and nobody will stand in her way. I will be very surprised if Obama chooses her, but one can hope.
Lord save us from another president who operates on his “gut”, doesn’t listen to people and doesn’t make reasoned judgments… no matter who he chooses with his gut as vp.
Here! Here! Going with the gut works best when the person can also use his noodle to make good reasoned judgments. We have learned that the gut reaction is not always the correct one. Intellect v. Gut? One is not better than the other. A balance of both is safer. The problem is, most of us are personally equipped with much more of one than the other, and we lean toward the man who “thinks” like we do.
hillary…hillary…hillary…its the politically correct thing to do if he wants to be elected…he is totally unworldly, even tho he seems to be president pro/tem right now…the presidency is NOT a popularity contest…it is a down a dirty job the requires other than a pretty face, a pleasing personality, etc…obama is a political babe in the woods….i still dont want either he or mccain as the leader of our country..
i believe that to get elected, obama needs hillary!!!
I’m beginning to agree with you, CherokeeRose. My, how my views have changed back and forth over the past few years!
agreed rose
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If I wasn’t certain it would be like pounding sand down a rat hole, I would be taking out full page ads to tell the world I saw the man who should be the Vice Presidential running mate for either Barack Obama or John McCain. For John McCain because he calls himself a conservative. For Barack Obama because he said that in ‘06, despite his conservative credentials, he voted for Democrats who promised to end a war he had long seen as futile. For Barack Obama and John McCain because in this one-hour interview on Bill Moyers Journal (Friday, August 15 on your PBS station), Andrew J. Bacevich, graduate of West Point, 23-year Army veteran and retired Colonel, now an author and professor of history at Boston University, stood up with more strength, more historic context, and more clarity than any Democrat or Republican in the house or senate on all the front-burner issues.
I saw this interview and was most impressed with Bacevich, in fact, Maureen mentioned him in the Edith Ann thread this week. His son was killed in Iraq and he says if anything good will come from this horrific misadventure it will be, he hopes, that we will never, ever, embark on another fool’s errand like this. You can hear the interview by going to the Norman Lear piece on Huffington Post –––––––he has posted the link.
Thanks, Phyllis, for bringing up Bacevich. His interview with Bill Moyers last week was so impressive that I immediately bought his book, The Limits of Power, and some friends and I are reading it aloud to our vision-challenged friend. We all agree that he has correctly identified the disfunctional elements in American society and our constant desire for “more” as being one of the roots of this disfunctionality. Bacevich was so direct, articulate and clear in the Moyers interview that I actually sighed with relief at his frankness. No spin. No excuses. No tip-toeing. As you say, “more clarity than any Democrat of Republican in the house or senate.” I would like to see him in government, but I doubt that he wants to be there. I got the feeling that he likes teaching and working with young minds. Incidentially, when I went to my local bookstore on Saturday, they said that they had been flooded with calls and were ordering multiple copies of Bacevich’s book. Maybe people are listening.
When I watched him on Bill Moyers the other night, the thought occurred to me how much I would appreciate it if Moyers did an interview with the candidates on the format as Rick Warren’s. I wonder what kind of questions he would have asked.
And, I also ordered the book. I also read with interest on amazon some of the other books that Bacevich has written.
That was a great interview Bill Moyers did with Bacevich! I kept saying yes yes yes, through the interview. The type of constitutional conservatism Bacevich espouses is the type I dearly miss. Where each branch of government did their own job and didn’t tread on the jobs of the states and cities too much. When he mentioned that his son was killed in Iraq, it literally made me cry.
Thanks for posting that Phyllis!