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Q & A | 02/18/2009 6:00 am

Mika Brzezinski Tells Lesley Stahl: My Departure From CBS Was Pretty Ugly

Mika Brzezinski just published her memoir, All Things at Once. In an interview with wOw’s Lesley Stahl last year, the "Morning Joe" co-host spoke about balancing career and family — and how she was "going to be brutally, painfully, embarrassingly honest" in her memoir. Read on …
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LESLEY: You worked here at CBS for how many years?

MIKA: Well I was for three and a half years the overnight anchor on "Up to the Minute." And then I came back for seven more years.

LESLEY: Well, let me tell you, as someone who works here, you were up and coming. They were even talking about you coming over and doing some pieces for "60 Minutes." And, boom, you were gone. Did it come as a total shock?

MIKA: Yes.

LESLEY: Were you just blown over? Was it, as you said, an identity crisis? I think a lot of people in these hard times can learn something from you?

MIKA: Absolutely. I’m writing a book about it and I’m going to be brutally, painfully, embarrassingly honest. And I see myself and my identity as a part of CBS News, because I loved telling stories, I loved the people I worked with and I loved the job I had. And I had been brought up through the ranks.

LESLEY: Right.

MIKA: And my kids thought I was the ultimate of modern working mothers, because I followed my parents’ model and followed the model of women out there before me, and melded marriage, work and family. And I would bring my kids to work with me. I brought my daughter Carlie to a "Sesame Street" shoot. If I did the Sunday evening news, chances were one of my kids were under that desk for the entire show. I made them a part of my work life and I made my work life a part of my home life. And I thought I was doing the right thing. But the bottom line is, I tried to be everything to everybody and I ended up being nothing, ultimately. And it was very public, it was very painful and a lot of women in our industry, and in any industry where you go up really fast and you get ahead really fast, you start to drink your own Kool-Aid and you think you’re untouchable.

LESLEY: You couldn’t get a job. I’m actually astonished.

MIKA: I could not pay someone to hire me. I was damaged goods.

LESLEY: But why? You were at the top of your game. I don’t even know why you were fired. There’s never been anything negative said.

MIKA: No. In fact, I’ve spoken to [CBS News president] Sean McManus since then and we’ve talked. It was subjective — and that’s what he said at the time. And I think I was the “It” girl of the Hayward regime, the regime before Sean McManus. And why would you go with the idea of the regime that you’re replacing? I don’t know. I’m making that up because I have to hold on to something. I don’t think my work was bad.

LESLEY: No, it wasn’t. Your work was great. But the lesson here is that if you work in a company and a new regime comes in, they often — and who knows why — decide to clean out the old regime. And there are lots of victims. Now, tell us, when you couldn’t get a job – how did you cope, psychologically? What did you do?

MIKA: Well, I looked for a job. And, I’ll tell you — I learned how to be a better parent, and it really helps now with this new job. When I left CBS, I knew I was leaving and I hung on for a few weeks trying to fulfill my end of the deal, but it was really tough to come to work. I wanted to tell my kids that I would be leaving. So I told Emilie and Carlie, just while hanging out with them in the living room.

67 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

PattyE

I really really like Mika!  ..her common sense…her ability to bring Joe down to earth when he gets carried away…especially during the primaries….not so much Joe, but I watch or listen most every morning….saves me time scouring the newspapers….thank you to Mika!!!!!..

 

 

Not so much for Joe….I

By PattyE on 02/18/2009 8:44 am
ShaniquaWashington
I agree girl.  Mika rocks!!! 
By ShaniquaWashington on 02/20/2009 4:02 pm
LibraLady
I really like Joe….Mika I’m not a fan of.  Just sayin’!
By LibraLady on 02/18/2009 9:08 am
CYNTHIANEIL
I love the way she deals with her children.   I learned the honesty lesson before I had my kids, by observing dear friends with their children.   They lied to their kids about important things and the kids, of course, found out, and the lesson learned was that it is ok to lie about important things.   So from around age 10 I have told my kids, "If the only things I lie to you about are Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, and the Easter Bunny I will have done my job."   At ages 13 and 17 so far so good.   And as hard as it sometimes is they have learned not to lie to me about important things.   As a single mom it is kind of embarrassing some of the things the 13 year old boy brings to the table (I was never around boys as a kid), but we do our best.   The other thing I have noticed is that my kids are right there for me in my efforts to reconstruct a career as well.   Bless them, they are the first to make sure messages about singing gigs or from my pianist get to me.   Lucky her, and lucky me too.
By CYNTHIANEIL on 02/18/2009 9:20 am
E
I’ve tried to watch this show.  Mika Brzezinski has qualities that normally would draw me back as a viewer.  Joe Scarborough is very likable even if you don’t agree with all of his views.  I suppose it is too heavy on editorialising for my taste.  Time to spare is short for me/many of us - give me the facts and only the facts.  I may not be a genius but I prefer to do my own analysis of the facts without being spoonfed what my perspective ought to be.
By E on 02/18/2009 9:33 am
RogerfromOhio

I may not be a genius but I prefer to do my own analysis of the facts without being spoonfed what my perspective ought to be.

I love that comment…. I say that all the time to people…. listen to the speech…. dont let them tell you what was said… find out for yourself.

By RogerfromOhio on 02/18/2009 5:30 pm
BelindaJoy

I love, love, love Zbigniew Brzezinski!  He is the wisest, most honest, loving, sincere and intelligent man I have ever seen or heard. When he speaks, you know what is being said is factual and not hyperbole. He has a view of the world that is broad and encompassing. I LOVE Zbigniew Brzezinski…..his daughter Mika, not so much.

She annoys me to no end! Her constant sighing “well….aaahh…hmmm…well…” Ugh! She is constantly (as does Joe Scarborough) making hypocritical statements. She will go on a tangent about President Obama spending too much and feign outrage. Yet within the span of minutes in the same conversation block will complain he isn’t spending enough. That kind of thing drives me crazy!  

How she is walking around with the DNA from one of the world’s most brilliant men is beyond my comprehension. Surely she must have been adopted.

By BelindaJoy on 02/18/2009 9:39 am
ShaniquaWashington
I see it just the oposite.  I think her dad was totally obsessed with himself and thought he was a playa.   Mika is suite and nice and she is really for the common person.   I think she looks like she is totally anoyed with Joe and I can understand why she doesn’t like him.   I think he is part of the rich class of people who look down on their noses at the poor.   I’m sure Mika has a kind heart and even through she probably make good money she isn’t selfish and is eager to pay her fair share of taxes.   Even through she is nice she is no where near as good as Keith Oberman.
By ShaniquaWashington on 02/20/2009 4:01 pm
rockyrocky
Good interview. Thanks. Wish Lesley could get through some of the smoke though. Loved the show where she and Joe had her father on as a guest. Dad was fascinating; Mika was quiet; and Joe was sent to the corner. It really was a good show. Looking forward to reading that book.
By rockyrocky on 02/18/2009 10:26 am
georgiafatwood

Thank you Lesley and Mika for the wonderful exchange. Cheerleading goes double… Here are two silly asides…When the Blagojevich story hit full force, Mika tripped and stumbled over the pronunciation of his name and sort of glanced at the guys for backup…They pronounced it in unison….and chuckled a bit..(.like "That’s a tough name?" )…..

And… when my daughter’s family got a second Belgian draft horse, they named it "Brzezinski" because he was ze big new horse….. 

By georgiafatwood on 02/18/2009 10:47 am
MarilynSix
Great interview- I really enjoyed it.  I appreciate Mika’s openness and I’m looking forward to reading her book.  Until recently, we watched Mika & Joe every morning. However, Joe has gotten on my last nerve, so we’ve switched to CNN in the mornings.  Joe appears to be entirely too elitist and arrogant.  Plus, he constantly reminds everyone about "when I was in congress"….   I also feel that Mika lets him get away with too much.  I’d like to see her stand her ground more, like I’m sure she does at big Brzezinski get togethers!  After finally being fortunate enough to find another phenomenal job, I wonder if she’s "treading lightly" in order to keep everyone happy,..especially Scarborough, who picked her for the show.
By MarilynSix on 02/18/2009 11:50 am
cajp

I think Joe Scarborough can be very condescending toward her myself and puts her down in front of the guests,  Joe is very self serving and thinks he knows so much and God forbid your opinion differs from his just wondering with all his knowledge why he left Congress in the first place?  Mika’s Dad doesn’t put up with any nonsense from him either which is good to see and soon puts him in his place.

 

By cajp on 02/18/2009 11:57 am
judysmith
I agree. I just cannot watch Joe put her down (and others )anymore. I do like Mika but sometimes he won’t let her get a word in edgewise. Condescending is a VERY good word for it. We do not need that anymore. 
By judysmith on 02/18/2009 1:18 pm
LindaTilsen
"Condescending" only describes Scarborough in part: he is a bully. And not particularly bright.  As for Mika, she’s a lightweight— fluff. And her outrage at the stimulous provision to increase food stamp assistance was breathtakingly stupid. (She couldn’t see how that would stimulate the economy. Duh.) The moral indignation which accompanied her misplaced outrage was painful to watch, a reminder that people raised in privileged environments often resist efforts to help those less fortunate. I guess some entitlements are better than others. When has Mika ever wanted for anything, much less a meal? When has she been turned down for housing or credit because of her color?   And how many career doors opened for her because her dad worked for Jimmy Carter? "Morning Joe" isn’t news, it’s parody. Only it’s not funny. 
By LindaTilsen on 02/19/2009 3:00 pm
judysmith
Well fortunately, we do not HAVE to watch them and I for one have exercised that option. 
By judysmith on 02/19/2009 3:51 pm