Q & A | 02/18/2009 6:00 am
Mika Brzezinski Tells Lesley Stahl: My Departure From CBS Was Pretty Ugly
Mika Brzezinski just published her memoir, All Things at Once. In an interview with wOw’s Lesley Stahl last year, the "Morning Joe" co-host spoke about balancing career and family — and how she was "going to be brutally, painfully, embarrassingly honest" in her memoir. Read on …

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LESLEY: You worked here at CBS for how many years?
MIKA: Well I was for three and a half years the overnight anchor on "Up to the Minute." And then I came back for seven more years.
LESLEY: Well, let me tell you, as someone who works here, you were up and coming. They were even talking about you coming over and doing some pieces for "60 Minutes." And, boom, you were gone. Did it come as a total shock?
MIKA: Yes.
LESLEY: Were you just blown over? Was it, as you said, an identity crisis? I think a lot of people in these hard times can learn something from you?
MIKA: Absolutely. I’m writing a book about it and I’m going to be brutally, painfully, embarrassingly honest. And I see myself and my identity as a part of CBS News, because I loved telling stories, I loved the people I worked with and I loved the job I had. And I had been brought up through the ranks.
LESLEY: Right.
MIKA: And my kids thought I was the ultimate of modern working mothers, because I followed my parents’ model and followed the model of women out there before me, and melded marriage, work and family. And I would bring my kids to work with me. I brought my daughter Carlie to a "Sesame Street" shoot. If I did the Sunday evening news, chances were one of my kids were under that desk for the entire show. I made them a part of my work life and I made my work life a part of my home life. And I thought I was doing the right thing. But the bottom line is, I tried to be everything to everybody and I ended up being nothing, ultimately. And it was very public, it was very painful and a lot of women in our industry, and in any industry where you go up really fast and you get ahead really fast, you start to drink your own Kool-Aid and you think you’re untouchable.
LESLEY: You couldn’t get a job. I’m actually astonished.
MIKA: I could not pay someone to hire me. I was damaged goods.
LESLEY: But why? You were at the top of your game. I don’t even know why you were fired. There’s never been anything negative said.
MIKA: No. In fact, I’ve spoken to [CBS News president] Sean McManus since then and we’ve talked. It was subjective — and that’s what he said at the time. And I think I was the “It” girl of the Hayward regime, the regime before Sean McManus. And why would you go with the idea of the regime that you’re replacing? I don’t know. I’m making that up because I have to hold on to something. I don’t think my work was bad.
LESLEY: No, it wasn’t. Your work was great. But the lesson here is that if you work in a company and a new regime comes in, they often — and who knows why — decide to clean out the old regime. And there are lots of victims. Now, tell us, when you couldn’t get a job – how did you cope, psychologically? What did you do?
MIKA: Well, I looked for a job. And, I’ll tell you — I learned how to be a better parent, and it really helps now with this new job. When I left CBS, I knew I was leaving and I hung on for a few weeks trying to fulfill my end of the deal, but it was really tough to come to work. I wanted to tell my kids that I would be leaving. So I told Emilie and Carlie, just while hanging out with them in the living room.
MIKA: Well I was for three and a half years the overnight anchor on "Up to the Minute." And then I came back for seven more years.
LESLEY: Well, let me tell you, as someone who works here, you were up and coming. They were even talking about you coming over and doing some pieces for "60 Minutes." And, boom, you were gone. Did it come as a total shock?
MIKA: Yes.
LESLEY: Were you just blown over? Was it, as you said, an identity crisis? I think a lot of people in these hard times can learn something from you?
MIKA: Absolutely. I’m writing a book about it and I’m going to be brutally, painfully, embarrassingly honest. And I see myself and my identity as a part of CBS News, because I loved telling stories, I loved the people I worked with and I loved the job I had. And I had been brought up through the ranks.
LESLEY: Right.
MIKA: And my kids thought I was the ultimate of modern working mothers, because I followed my parents’ model and followed the model of women out there before me, and melded marriage, work and family. And I would bring my kids to work with me. I brought my daughter Carlie to a "Sesame Street" shoot. If I did the Sunday evening news, chances were one of my kids were under that desk for the entire show. I made them a part of my work life and I made my work life a part of my home life. And I thought I was doing the right thing. But the bottom line is, I tried to be everything to everybody and I ended up being nothing, ultimately. And it was very public, it was very painful and a lot of women in our industry, and in any industry where you go up really fast and you get ahead really fast, you start to drink your own Kool-Aid and you think you’re untouchable.
LESLEY: You couldn’t get a job. I’m actually astonished.
MIKA: I could not pay someone to hire me. I was damaged goods.
LESLEY: But why? You were at the top of your game. I don’t even know why you were fired. There’s never been anything negative said.
MIKA: No. In fact, I’ve spoken to [CBS News president] Sean McManus since then and we’ve talked. It was subjective — and that’s what he said at the time. And I think I was the “It” girl of the Hayward regime, the regime before Sean McManus. And why would you go with the idea of the regime that you’re replacing? I don’t know. I’m making that up because I have to hold on to something. I don’t think my work was bad.
LESLEY: No, it wasn’t. Your work was great. But the lesson here is that if you work in a company and a new regime comes in, they often — and who knows why — decide to clean out the old regime. And there are lots of victims. Now, tell us, when you couldn’t get a job – how did you cope, psychologically? What did you do?
MIKA: Well, I looked for a job. And, I’ll tell you — I learned how to be a better parent, and it really helps now with this new job. When I left CBS, I knew I was leaving and I hung on for a few weeks trying to fulfill my end of the deal, but it was really tough to come to work. I wanted to tell my kids that I would be leaving. So I told Emilie and Carlie, just while hanging out with them in the living room.
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I really really like Mika! ..her common sense…her ability to bring Joe down to earth when he gets carried away…especially during the primaries….not so much Joe, but I watch or listen most every morning….saves me time scouring the newspapers….thank you to Mika!!!!!..
Not so much for Joe….I
I may not be a genius but I prefer to do my own analysis of the facts without being spoonfed what my perspective ought to be.
I love that comment…. I say that all the time to people…. listen to the speech…. dont let them tell you what was said… find out for yourself.
I love, love, love Zbigniew Brzezinski! He is the wisest, most honest, loving, sincere and intelligent man I have ever seen or heard. When he speaks, you know what is being said is factual and not hyperbole. He has a view of the world that is broad and encompassing. I LOVE Zbigniew Brzezinski…..his daughter Mika, not so much.
She annoys me to no end! Her constant sighing “well….aaahh…hmmm…well…” Ugh! She is constantly (as does Joe Scarborough) making hypocritical statements. She will go on a tangent about President Obama spending too much and feign outrage. Yet within the span of minutes in the same conversation block will complain he isn’t spending enough. That kind of thing drives me crazy!How she is walking around with the DNA from one of the world’s most brilliant men is beyond my comprehension. Surely she must have been adopted.
Thank you Lesley and Mika for the wonderful exchange. Cheerleading goes double… Here are two silly asides…When the Blagojevich story hit full force, Mika tripped and stumbled over the pronunciation of his name and sort of glanced at the guys for backup…They pronounced it in unison….and chuckled a bit..(.like "That’s a tough name?" )…..
And… when my daughter’s family got a second Belgian draft horse, they named it "Brzezinski" because he was ze big new horse…..
I think Joe Scarborough can be very condescending toward her myself and puts her down in front of the guests, Joe is very self serving and thinks he knows so much and God forbid your opinion differs from his just wondering with all his knowledge why he left Congress in the first place? Mika’s Dad doesn’t put up with any nonsense from him either which is good to see and soon puts him in his place.