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A Friend Stopped By | 01/29/2009 9:45 am

Obama and Afghanistan: NoChange.gov? by Kimberly Dozier

By Kimberly Dozier

Editor’s Note: Kimberly Dozier has been a CBS News correspondent since 2003. A Wellesley graduate, she started her career at CBS radio in Cairo in 1992. She moved to Israel, where she has had a home outside Jerusalem since 2003. Her new book, Breathing the Fire, is about her surviving — and what it took to recover from — a car-bomb attack while she was on assignment in Iraq.

"We are going to have some difficult decisions," about Iraq and Afghanistan, said Mr. Obama, proving himself the master of the cool and collected understatement, after being closeted with the top leaders at the Pentagon for almost two hours Wednesday.

That’s the sound of Mr. Obama prepping the American public for some less-than-glowing results on the warfront — just as he has on the U.S. economy — especially when it comes to Afghanistan.

He and Veep Joe Biden met with everyone from the defense secretary to all the joint chiefs in the inner sanctum of the Pentagon, known as "The Tank." (It’s just a conference room, but you’ve got to have a lot of rank sitting on your shoulder to get in there. I’m told the name is evocative of what that windowless room feels like if you’re stuck in there with a certain degree of hot air for several hours.) A small pool of reporters got to trail him as he greeted troops in the hallways after the meeting — the rest of us got only a glimpse of a phalanx of Secret Service guys, blocking our view.

The chiefs are warning their new  commander in chief that Afghanistan is NOT Iraq … which is exactly why it could become a quagmire for Mr. Obama, just as Iraq became for his predecessor. That’s what I’ve been hearing from a host of White House, Pentagon and think-tank types who’ve been in on — or near — this process.

Not that they’ve been saying anything in private that they haven’t said in some form in public. Secretary Robert Gates was blunt on Capitol Hill this week: "Afghanistan is the fourth or fifth poorest country in the world," he told senators. "And if we set ourselves the objective of creating some sort of central Asian Valhalla over there we will lose, because nobody in the world has that kind of time, patience or money, to be honest."

Every other defense official I’ve spoken to over the last couple months has simply chimed in, in agreement.

"It’s a money pit," one told me. "It’s twice as big as Iraq, with less than a tenth of the infrastructure in roads, electricity or water systems." Iraq only needed "a bit of a push from us" to go in the right direction, said one surge veteran. "In Afghanistan, we’d be building it from scratch," he said. "We could be there 20 to 40 years, and get nowhere," said another.

And the much-vaunted success of counter-insurgency techniques in Iraq, that have aimed first and foremost to keep Iraqis safe, thereby winning their loyalty to U.S. troops to a certain degree? "We can try to keep some of them safe — those we can reach," said one commander who’d worked with them, and fought against them in recent years. "But the Afghans will turn on us on a dime." I certainly saw that when I first reported there, during the hunt for Osama bin Laden in 2001. My Afghan escort carried a Pashtun rolled-wool hat and a Taliban-style black turban, which he would change at will, depending on where we were headed. That’s how Afghans have always survived — switching loyalties in a matter of hours, to go with whoever the strongman is at the time — or whichever strongman is closest at the time.

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frances roehm
Because we went in there and blew up what little they had to begin with. Afghanistan was never our enemy. Bin Laden was. If our government doesn’t have the know how to find an individual that blew up the trade towers, then we should be questioning why our intelligence agencies are so incompetant. Our “Shock and Awe” policies have done nothing but hurt us and make us look foolish to the Muslim world.
By frances roehm on 01/30/2009 11:41 pm
Brooklyn Gal
These countries are not about to change. But, that doesn’t mean we can’t go after those who came after us. The Taliban provided a haven for Al-Qaeda. The Taliban is now in Pakistan, and the Pakistani government is powerless mostly due to the Bush administration ignoring what was going on there for years (even after they promised Pakistan they would help). Obama will not put unrealistic goals in our path.
By Brooklyn Gal on 01/29/2009 11:11 am
deber B
Brooklyn Gal, even though the United States is in Afghanistan now to help them control order and helping to build some type of infrastructure, we are providing tremendous aid to them which many people feel is money and time not well spent by the United States. With regard to your comment about the Bush administration, you are incorrect. The United States has been providing tremendous aid to Pakistan all during Bush’s administration and they are an ally of ours! We are supporting them with arms. The Taliban is hanging our in a lawless area of Pakistan which is located near the Afghanistan border. Tribal chieftains occupy that area for obvious reasons. Pakistan’s options are limited in dealing with it. You statement that Obama will not put unrealistic goals in our path is an interesting one because I don’t believe any president would be allowed by congress to pursue unrealistic goals for America not even George Bush. If you have a desire to learn more about Pakistan and the United States in terms of their relationship there are some very good books out now which will provide the answers to any questions you might have.
By deber B on 01/29/2009 11:37 am
Brooklyn Gal
Aren’t you the same person who believes Obama is a Muslim???
By Brooklyn Gal on 01/29/2009 12:45 pm
deber B
His father’s family are all muslims. And, he has had known associations with muslims and he studied the Koran as a young boy. Whether that makes him sympathetic to muslims is not yet evident. Let us hope that his knowledge of muslims will help him in “negotating” with our enemies. It may serve him well. We shall see.
By deber B on 01/29/2009 1:47 pm
Elizabeth Bennett
Except his father was actually agnostic. It is his grandparents who were muslim and we know he didn’t know them growing up. I do hope the mere fact that he has family members who are Muslims will make it easier for him to negotiate with the Muslim world, though they are certainly not all our enemies.
By Elizabeth Bennett on 01/29/2009 2:59 pm
Brooklyn Gal
But he chose Christianity. And he is an American first and foremost. If a Muslim lived next door to you, would you consider them enemies??? You really can’t stereotype like that.
By Brooklyn Gal on 01/29/2009 3:35 pm
Sally K
I studied the Koran as a young girl. Based on your logic, I’ll be sure and tell my rabbi that I am now a Muslim.
By Sally K on 01/30/2009 3:38 pm
deber B
I agree with Dozier that Afghanistan is not where the United States should be spending time and money. President Obama would do well to stay completely away from any and all attempts to establish infrastructure for a country of liars and thieves. They are loyal to no one. It’s a lawless country. The Taliban have most of their training camps there. No help for Afghanistan America!! Our good will should be reserved for countries who want a democracy and women’s rights. Iraq is a perfect example of a country who wanted help and we were instrumental in helping them to that end. The United States was successful in helping Iraq as their current political elections are taking place now. Even women are running for office. In Iraq people are now living without tyranny and the monster Saddam Hussein is gone. As we withdraw our troops soon we will do so knowing that the Iraqi people are living in a better Iraq.
By deber B on 01/29/2009 11:13 am
starry Nite
Deber B. Are you in the military and have you visited Afghanistan ? Iraq outcome remains to be seen.
By starry Nite on 01/29/2009 11:22 am
deber B
starry Nite, the Middle East is a passion of mine. My husband is a 30 year retired naval captain and we were stationed in Turkey for a time. Iraq today is a much better Iraq than it was in 2006. No one can dispute that. Condoleeza Rice was on The View today and she was emphatic about the progress that has been made which can be measured today by the actual elections that are taking place. Iraqi’s are “running for office” and women are a part of that. That is real progress.
By deber B on 01/29/2009 11:45 am
Brooklyn Gal
Rice!!! I am so glad I missed The View today.
By Brooklyn Gal on 01/29/2009 12:47 pm
deber B
You may be the only person who doesn’t respect Condi Rice. She was an excellent Secretary of State. Even the sharks on The View extended tremendous respect to her today. Hating Bush is one thing but not being able to recognize and respect the accomplishments of this brilliant woman must be hard for you to explain.
By deber B on 01/29/2009 1:54 pm
Z ****
Nope……….she’s not the only one who doesn’t respect Condi Rice — there are plenty of us out here……Rice was simply a mouthpiece for Cheney when he was prez……..oh, no excuse, me……….Chaney never was prez………..my bad.
By Z **** on 01/29/2009 2:40 pm
deber B
You may be the only person who doesn’t respect Condi Rice. She was an excellent Secretary of State. Even the sharks on The View extended tremendous respect to her today. Hating Bush is one thing but not being able to recognize and respect the accomplishments of this brilliant woman must be hard for you to explain.
By deber B on 01/29/2009 1:54 pm