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Lesley Stahl | 03/03/2008 12:00 am

The Presidential Race Right Now: A NEW Interview with Pollster, Dotty Lynch

Lesley Stahl

I spoke with pollster Dotty Lynch this morning about the campaign. Because she was the first pollster to discover the gender gap back in the early 1980s, I decided to start there:

LESLEY: Dotty, you’re the expert on the gender gap. How do you read what’s going on between Hillary and Obama? It’s so interesting: she takes the lion’s share of the WHITE female vote, and yet he’s been siphoning off women who earn more than $50,000 a year.

DOTTY: Obama’s two constituencies — upscale Democrats and African Americans — transcend gender and class. He wins both groups of women, and he wins young women as well. Hillary’s advantage is with older and blue-collar white women who seem to like her economic message and her appeal to kitchen-table issues

LESLEY: So are you saying that for women, gender is not as potent of a force this year? That for women, income and race tie them to a voting block more than their sex?

DOTTY: I think for women and maybe more for men — gender is still a factor, but not the only factor. One of my favorite exit poll findings is the vote in the Utah caucuses where Mitt Romney got 90% of the vote and African Americans are voting over 80% for Obama. Men and women are not as monolithic.

LESLEY: Okay, Mormons and Blacks are monolithic voters. But, looking over all the voters, what I’m wondering is whether the Gender Gap has faded this year, falling behind income as a reason to vote?  That would be interesting — obviously with a woman running. If so, is it because the economy is sagging?

DOTTY: Actually, if you look at the male and female vote, the gap is looking like the Grand Canyon. And if it were only the economy I think Hillary would be doing better. There are other more important factors. Obama is a phenom and has run an exciting, positive campaign. Clinton has run against hope, has lost a lot of races and has not inspired enough women or men. It’s hard to calculate a number for those who are motivated by gender alone. But some women — especially women Hillary’s age and older — do feel more connected to her.

LESLEY: What about men? Are large numbers voting against Hillary BECAUSE she’s a woman?

DOTTY: Men voters are really interesting. No one is quite sure what is motivating them: love of Obama or antipathy toward Hillary. It’s probably a little of each. The sports columnist for the New York Times wrote yesterday that men just relate to Obama as they do to sports figures. In Wisconsin, he got almost 80% of the votes of men under 45. I think many men are uncomfortable with Hillary which makes it doubly easy for them to vote for Obama.

LESLEY: Let me ask about the issue of the press. Hillary says the press corps is biased against her. First, let’s stipulate that there are a lot of WOMEN in the political press corps. Second, let’s just say for this discussion that there’s some truth to her charge. How much of a factor is this — as opposed to her own mistakes is message and tone?

DOTTY: Several objective studies have shown that her coverage has been more negative than Obama’s. One big reason — he is winning and is a bit of a Cinderella candidate, while she has lost 11 races in a row. And some is just a lag time. I think the press took a while to catch its breath and look more closely at Obama. The Clinton camp says, "it will be too late," but those are the breaks. Some is due to the Clinton camp’s bad relations with the press and an arrogance which has dissipated — but only a bit — with her new underdog status.

LESLEY: Well, let’s not leave out the negative effect Bill Clinton has had on his wife’s campaign. And it is true that I am beginning to see more negative stories about Obama — over the weekend, and in today’s paper. We’ll leave that for another interview.

But in terms of press coverage: it seems to me that a candidate today can easily go over the heads of the press corps to get his or her image and message out there. I suspect that the public responds far more to what they see and hear on TV and the internet, than to what their newspapers or TV reporting is telling them. Alas. And woe is me!!

Finally, Dotty, what’s your gut telling you about tomorrow in Ohio and Texas? There doesn’t seem to be a clear sense of momentum — "The Big MO" — or juice for either Hillary or Obama.

DOTTY: I think there could be a split decision — Texas for Obama and Ohio for Clinton, which I don’t think would be good enough for Clinton to hold back the flood gates of Super Delegates who want this race to end soon. My own take is that we now have a great race going on. We have gotten over the early stage of the campaign where attacks on Hillary were seen as sexist and attacks on Obama were viewed as racist. There are now two strong candidates battling it out over their qualifications and issues.

If I were a guy, I would end with a sports metaphor — but I am sure we will hear a lot about knock-outs, extra innings and moving goal posts in the next 48 hours.

LESLEY: Thank you Dotty! Looking forward to talking to you again as the campaign moves forward.

 

Read more about: Dotty Lynch, Election, Politics

6 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

mary holzer
If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back and get it right-side up again. And now they are asking to do it, the men better let them.” These words were spoken by Sojourner Truth in a speech she gave at the Women’s Rights Convention in Akron Ohio in 1851. They were relevant then and they are relevant now.
By mary holzer on 03/08/2008 6:27 pm
Emme TampaBay
Go, Hillary!
By Emme TampaBay on 03/08/2008 9:32 pm
mitzi morris
I believe I have seen sexism trump racism as an issue and the “charisma” factor of Obama while very manufactured and cultish has impressed the young. Hillary’s negatives and the plain fact that she’s a woman have been enough to turn many men off. I am surprised that women, and I refer to democratic voters, are not voting in their interest as women. Yet blacks are voting over 80% for Obama. Obama has many problematic issues in his background that have not been vetted, and he remains Press Precious. I think the press has been negligent ,as his problems in Chicago are all out there in SunTimes and elsewhere. But I am still astonished at the blatant disrespect, condescension,and all around sexist behavior and language I’ve been seeing in the Media.
By mitzi morris on 03/08/2008 11:58 pm
teeny keels
bitch is the new black! you’re lovely, barack, but…come on people.
By teeny keels on 03/09/2008 8:34 pm
Cindy B
Watching this political process again from the viewpoint of a Canadian citizen is just as facinating and interesting for us as it is for you. Even our own politicians up here adopt the “change” words as well as many of the other political savy ones just so that they can keep hip with the current political vibes. Even once this Democratic decision has been made once and for all there’s still great energy and excitement to come once the actual presidental election is under way. It’s going to be old school vs new school. War vs environment. I am hoping that everyone (and including us Canadians and others who eventually will be affected/effected by this political decisions) are seriously contemplating on what is truly important to maintain or improve their current way of life and what will be required to support it.
By Cindy B on 03/10/2008 12:19 pm
nan rae
I can’t figure out where to post this comment so Leslie, you’ve got it. I am amazed that Senator John D. Rockefeller was forced to apologize for comments re: John McCain. I’ve always admired Rockefeller and feel he is a man of integrity and measured in his words. What he said about McCain is an accurate description and needed to be said. This is carrying ‘political correctness’ way too far and the need for people to wrap McCain in the flag is beyond me. Can we just acknowledge that he is a war hero in a war most of us would rather forget and move on to his competence in dealing with today’s urgent issues.
By nan rae on 04/10/2008 2:13 pm