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A Friend Stopped By | 11/18/2008 11:15 am

Proposition 8 Battle Just The Beginning For Gay Marriage Rights

By Brenda Feigen
©AP

None of us quite realized that the passage of Proposition 8 would become such a watershed moment.

My spouse Joanne and I were domestic partners until July 4th, when we finally married under California’s recently approved same-sex marriage law. We’ve been together for 16 years, so it seems like the obvious thing to do, but I must admit that part of me was in it for the legal challenge.

Once we were wed in the Golden State, we could then take on the Defense of Marriage Act, or what I refer to as Bill Clinton’s really big mistake. That act prohibits the federal government from honoring same-sex nuptials, thus putting gay and lesbian couples in quite the awkward position. But, frankly, we’re not sure we’re even married at this point, considering that Proposition 8 overturned the California Supreme Court’s ruling that same-sex couples deserve marriage rights. Regardless, even if we are still married in CA, we have miles to go.

If we’re no longer 2nd class citizens in California, we can’t stop there. We then have to challenge DOMA, because what really matters now is that despite the fact we pay our social security taxes like other good citizens, we still face unique hurdles. For example, if one of us dies, the other, thanks to DOMA, doesn’t get those benefits. And if I buy a house with my own money, I can’t make Joanne a co-owner because I’d have to pay a federal gift tax on anything more than $14,000 a year, while “real” married people can transfer property back and forth with no consequences whatsoever. In short, it is a big deal to be married here in CA, yes, but it’s an even bigger deal to ensure the federal government recognizes that marriage.

The California Supreme Court issued their ruling on May 15th, and you can be sure I read every word, amazed and delighted that the highest court in this state had decided that discrimination against gays and lesbians is as bad as discrimination against blacks or women. Such discrimination, the court said, should be viewed as “suspect” and, to withstand judicial scrutiny, any distinctions between straights and gays would have to be justified by a compelling state interest. The court also mentioned that marriage counts as a fundamental right and that gays and lesbians can’t be deprived of such a right any more than any other group can be.

In the old days, of course, before Loving v. Virginia, blacks and whites could be denied the right to marry. This is just like that – bad. In fact, on June 12, 2007, Mildred Loving issued a rare public statement prepared for delivery on the 40th anniversary of the US Supreme Court’s decision in her case. The concluding paragraphs of her statement moved me very much:

Surrounded as I am now by wonderful children and grandchildren, not a day goes by that I don’t think of Richard and our love, our right to marry, and how much it meant to me to have that freedom to marry the person precious to me, even if others thought he was the "wrong kind of person" for me to marry. I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people’s religious beliefs over others - especially if it denies people’s civil rights.

I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.

In case you haven’t heard, Proposition 8’s passage has awakened a sleeping giant. Joanne, I, and our allies have gone to protests and marches ever since election day and more and more signs like “Another Hetero Family against (H)8” keep popping up, along with “No more Mr. Nice Gay”, “Where is the Gay Tax Discount?”, “When do I Get to Vote on Your Marriage?” And of course along with all sorts of other creative slogans, peppered with rainbow flags and trinkets.

On Saturday, there were protests at city halls all over the country organized not by polite groups like Equality California, NCLR, the ACLU and NO on 8, but instead via the Internet, on YouTube and countless other virtual outposts. Many of the kids that got involved in the election have taken up the cause, which has been a bit muddied by our new president-elect. Prior to Election Day, Obama said he opposed Prop.8 because the courts should decide constitutional rights. But, all of a sudden, on the morning of Nov. 4th, as I was heading out to vote, in came a robo-call, with Obama loudly proclaiming that his Christian faith dictates that marriage should be between a man and a woman. That was the message that the black churches were spreading, and that was certainly a part of the reason for Prop. 8’s defeat: 70% of African Americans reportedly voted for 8.

The real truth, as we all probably know by now, is that the religious right decided to use Proposition 8 to break down the separation of church and state. Since it’s passage, the “Yes on 8” people have invaded our protests, brandishing signs quoting religious homilies. Actually, not a single person that I have seen or heard has tried to defend Proposition 8 on anything other than religious grounds. I guess the fact they think our marriages will destroy their families makes sense to some of them.

In the midst of all the protests, a legal challenge has been filed in the California Supreme Court arguing that Proposition 8 should be overturned because it’s really a constitutional revision that requires a 2/3 vote of the legislature before it goes to the people for their vote. Clearly it’s a revision, because we had been granted full and equal rights by the court and then along came Prop. 8 that carved out specific rights (from the rights we’d just obtained), namely the right to marry, that the religious right doesn’t think we deserve.

If, for some horrible reason, we lose in state court, the next step would be to go to federal court, and argue that Prop. 8 violates the equal protection and due process clauses of the 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution because the state (here via a constitutional amendment) not only has denied us equal protection, but has also stripped us of the fundamental right to marry. I really hope it doesn’t come to that but, if it does, I can’t wait to read what Justice Ginsburg has to say, especially since I sat next to her 35 years ago at the U.S. Supreme Court’s counsel table as she argued that discrimination against women is suspect, subject to the highest level of scrutiny and that there has to be a compelling state interest (the term used by the California Supreme Court in protecting gays and lesbians) to uphold any discrimination against these protected groups, in both of which I happen to belong.

Brenda Feigen is an attorney now practicing in Los Angeles. Shortly after graduating from Harvard Law School, she co-founded Ms. Magazine with Gloria Steinem, after which she became the director with (now Justice) Ruth Bader Ginsburg of the Women’s Rights Project of the ACLU. It was in that position that she found herself at the U.S. Supreme Court’s counsel table with Professor Ginsburg who was arguing to the all-male court that sex should be a suspect classification. Ms. Feigen has retained her interest in constitutional law ever since. She moved to Los Angeles in 1990 to produce a movie and continue her practice of law. Today her clients include a bi-national same-sex couple who have a daughter but can’t marry because, thanks to DOMA, the non-U.S. citizen would lose her visa. Brenda has written on the subject of same-sex marriage for the Harvard Women’s Law Journal. Her memoir, Not One of the Boys: Living Life as a Feminist was published by Knopf in 2000.

169 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Kryssi K
My question is: if marriage is just such a totally religious/CHRISTIAN right (which it isn’t; documented marriage ceremonies - including same-sex! - PRE-DATE Christianity), how do you explain atheists getting married, Wiccans who marry Buddhists, Jews marrying Catholics, etc.? Can these irrational, extremist bigots please pull one LOGICAL argument out of their asses for once?
By Kryssi K on 11/18/2008 12:09 pm
Delete This
Kryssi—-Not to mention the polygamist Mormon’s whose $$$$ defeated Prop 8…but they will be defeated in the California courts. Unlike the polygamist Mormons…this is not a knuckle-dragging/regressive state…their money held sway temporarily. Great post, Kryssi. When Wow eventually has a Daily Kos like convention….which they will….you, Mugsy, DeB, Agy, Dona, Jennifer, Frank, James, Lily, Deni, etc [even tho we’ve battled…she’s SMART} Maureen, Emcye, Iris, Blue Circle Girl, etc, etc, etc many whose names can’t remember right now are all people I look forward to meeting….you guys are the ‘brains and heart’ of ‘the operation’….I just wish I had millions to give away to everyone really impacted right now. I truly do. Me….I don’t require much since pretty basic [she says from Carmel—ha} the GOP is turning CHRISTIAN into a dirty word. Congrats with that. They are such holy rollers and the jokes on them. Jesus would absolutely deplore them as he did the ‘money changers’ for whom he had nothing but contempt…and that’s the entire GOP today.
By Delete This on 11/18/2008 3:04 pm
Ms. Dee
Hey! I wanna come!
By Ms. Dee on 11/18/2008 6:23 pm
Kryssi K
Yes Ms. Dee you MUST come!
By Kryssi K on 11/18/2008 9:23 pm
Kryssi K
Aw thanks - I would love a WOW convention!!! By the way, you may wanna be more specific when you say “Frank” now. ;-) I will end with this quote that always makes me laugh AND think: “If Jesus came back and saw what was going on in His name……..he’d never stop throwing up.” -Woody Allen
By Kryssi K on 11/18/2008 7:47 pm
Ms. Dee
I know. Sometimes I feel really bad for Jesus. I was at a little retreat one time, and some guy pulled out a guitar and started singing this song about a man who ran into Jesus. The lyric I’ll never forget was: “And I said, ‘Jesus, I feel tired.’ And He said, ‘Jesus, so do I.’” I’ve never heard the song since, and I don’t know if the guy wrote it or what. He could be famous, now, for all I know. I only know he gave me something to think about for the rest of my life!
By Ms. Dee on 11/18/2008 9:52 pm
MUM of many
I am very sad and disappointed that rights were violated from the passing of prop 8. However, to blame “polygamist Mormon’s” is an ignorant statement! Many churches voted for the passing of prop 8, because they belief in marriage of a man and woman. The prop should NOT have gone to a vote! Were people misslead on the ramifications if it prop passed or did not pass? I think so! WE all have a right to our beliefs; we have a right to disagree. We DO NOT have a right to hurt, harm or threaten people who disagree with our beliefs. regarding the mormon statement: Ploygamist are NOT Mormons if a Mormon practices polygamy there are kicked out of the church!! Also, NOT all Mormons voted for the prop to pass, NOT all catholics voted for the prop to pass, NOT all Jews voted for the prop to pass, NOT all religious people voted for the prop to pass etc. Why did it pass?? How many families and friends of gays voted for the prop?? Instead of blaming people you do NOT know, look at your friends, families and close friends: Why did they not vote the same way you did? Will you threaten them, deface their property, call them hurtful names? I think it is sad that this prop has created so much hatred between others! Protest, petition, hire lawyers, or whatever it takes to bring down the prop, but to blame others for their beliefs is NOT going to help the situation or overturn the number of voters that voted for the passing of prop 8. We live in a Democracy….the majority vote won (whether we belief it should have passed or not). Should we go back to the days of stoning people who do not belief the same way??? There are positive ways to repeal the decision, work on that rather than name calling, destroying property and threatening people and religions.
By MUM of many on 11/19/2008 2:04 am
Kryssi K
Well…you make several good points. But still, it really doesn’t look good for the Mormon Church when they are the ones who spent the 30+ million dollars on the misleading ADVERTISING that helped convince people to vote for Prop 8. THAT is the beef we have with that specific church/religion.
By Kryssi K on 11/19/2008 2:07 am
MUM of many
Where did you get the info about the amount of money the momon church contributed???? There were many other organizations that contributed to the prop for and against, do you have info on how much they contributed? It would be very interesting to know how much money was spend on both sides. Freedom of speech consists of speaking out for what we believe in, active involvement or financial contribution. Some donate money to the Red Cross, Salvation Army, Polictical parties, orphanages, etc. When I file my taxes, I am asked if I want to contribute money to the presidential campaign! (I think that is funny, don’t you? ~ do you know of anyone that contributes?) Anyway, back to the churches donating money, Did the Churches actually contribute or did the individuals from the churches contribute? Do churches have the freedom/right to contribute to political campaigns? Would that be a conflict between the separation of Church and State?
By MUM of many on 11/19/2008 2:51 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
This should NOT be about beliefs–––––THIS IS ABOUT EQUAL RIGHTS. Period.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 11/19/2008 10:53 am
Susan B
… and I still don’t understand what this issue is doing on a ballot. It’s the California proposition system that makes these kinds of ridiculous “decisions” up for a vote. If you can scrape together enough money, you can put anything up for a vote. Wrong.
By Susan B on 11/29/2008 6:36 pm
Jane Wagner
Brenda, you really started us thinking with your interesting post.People are really getting envolved with this matter. It’s getting to be a larger issue than I would have thought. Thanks for adding stimulusto the debate and giving your personal experience. Maybe Joanne would like to add her ideas and feelings, we’d love to hear from her…all of us would. To go though all the deep feelings that led to you both wanting to be committed to each other in this way and then to have it disavowed and treated in this way must be very hurtful. But this will be turned around. There are more supporters than spoilers for this cause. I feel there are may people who understand, don’t you? Thanks again, JaneWagner
By Jane Wagner on 11/19/2008 12:51 am
Brenda Feigen
Thanks, Jane. Really. I’m going to get Joanne right now so she can add her 2 cents.
By Brenda Feigen on 11/19/2008 1:05 am
Kryssi K
Can I just say, since it totally slipped my mind to even give props to you for what you wrote in my original posts, that this line in particular got me ALL choked up: “…more signs like “Another Hetero Family against (H)8” keep popping up…” Then I found this touching photo - http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/39/l_65193eeef8de4b538c9d5d8… - why do such sights make me CRY so joyously? And people wonder why my favorite character on “The L Word” is the heterosexual [BLACK!] woman who supports our community 110%, played by an actress with identical convictions… It is a relief that even the enlightened heterosexuals are finally waking up to the rational fact that we are NOT some evil threat to their lives!
By Kryssi K on 11/19/2008 1:18 am
Josie Sullivan
By Josie Sullivan on 12/03/2008 11:51 am