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A Friend Stopped By | 11/18/2008 11:15 am

Proposition 8 Battle Just The Beginning For Gay Marriage Rights

By Brenda Feigen
©AP

None of us quite realized that the passage of Proposition 8 would become such a watershed moment.

My spouse Joanne and I were domestic partners until July 4th, when we finally married under California’s recently approved same-sex marriage law. We’ve been together for 16 years, so it seems like the obvious thing to do, but I must admit that part of me was in it for the legal challenge.

Once we were wed in the Golden State, we could then take on the Defense of Marriage Act, or what I refer to as Bill Clinton’s really big mistake. That act prohibits the federal government from honoring same-sex nuptials, thus putting gay and lesbian couples in quite the awkward position. But, frankly, we’re not sure we’re even married at this point, considering that Proposition 8 overturned the California Supreme Court’s ruling that same-sex couples deserve marriage rights. Regardless, even if we are still married in CA, we have miles to go.

If we’re no longer 2nd class citizens in California, we can’t stop there. We then have to challenge DOMA, because what really matters now is that despite the fact we pay our social security taxes like other good citizens, we still face unique hurdles. For example, if one of us dies, the other, thanks to DOMA, doesn’t get those benefits. And if I buy a house with my own money, I can’t make Joanne a co-owner because I’d have to pay a federal gift tax on anything more than $14,000 a year, while “real” married people can transfer property back and forth with no consequences whatsoever. In short, it is a big deal to be married here in CA, yes, but it’s an even bigger deal to ensure the federal government recognizes that marriage.

The California Supreme Court issued their ruling on May 15th, and you can be sure I read every word, amazed and delighted that the highest court in this state had decided that discrimination against gays and lesbians is as bad as discrimination against blacks or women. Such discrimination, the court said, should be viewed as “suspect” and, to withstand judicial scrutiny, any distinctions between straights and gays would have to be justified by a compelling state interest. The court also mentioned that marriage counts as a fundamental right and that gays and lesbians can’t be deprived of such a right any more than any other group can be.

In the old days, of course, before Loving v. Virginia, blacks and whites could be denied the right to marry. This is just like that – bad. In fact, on June 12, 2007, Mildred Loving issued a rare public statement prepared for delivery on the 40th anniversary of the US Supreme Court’s decision in her case. The concluding paragraphs of her statement moved me very much:

Surrounded as I am now by wonderful children and grandchildren, not a day goes by that I don’t think of Richard and our love, our right to marry, and how much it meant to me to have that freedom to marry the person precious to me, even if others thought he was the "wrong kind of person" for me to marry. I believe all Americans, no matter their race, no matter their sex, no matter their sexual orientation, should have that same freedom to marry. Government has no business imposing some people’s religious beliefs over others - especially if it denies people’s civil rights.

I am still not a political person, but I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, black or white, young or old, gay or straight seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.

In case you haven’t heard, Proposition 8’s passage has awakened a sleeping giant. Joanne, I, and our allies have gone to protests and marches ever since election day and more and more signs like “Another Hetero Family against (H)8” keep popping up, along with “No more Mr. Nice Gay”, “Where is the Gay Tax Discount?”, “When do I Get to Vote on Your Marriage?” And of course along with all sorts of other creative slogans, peppered with rainbow flags and trinkets.

On Saturday, there were protests at city halls all over the country organized not by polite groups like Equality California, NCLR, the ACLU and NO on 8, but instead via the Internet, on YouTube and countless other virtual outposts. Many of the kids that got involved in the election have taken up the cause, which has been a bit muddied by our new president-elect. Prior to Election Day, Obama said he opposed Prop.8 because the courts should decide constitutional rights. But, all of a sudden, on the morning of Nov. 4th, as I was heading out to vote, in came a robo-call, with Obama loudly proclaiming that his Christian faith dictates that marriage should be between a man and a woman. That was the message that the black churches were spreading, and that was certainly a part of the reason for Prop. 8’s defeat: 70% of African Americans reportedly voted for 8.

The real truth, as we all probably know by now, is that the religious right decided to use Proposition 8 to break down the separation of church and state. Since it’s passage, the “Yes on 8” people have invaded our protests, brandishing signs quoting religious homilies. Actually, not a single person that I have seen or heard has tried to defend Proposition 8 on anything other than religious grounds. I guess the fact they think our marriages will destroy their families makes sense to some of them.

In the midst of all the protests, a legal challenge has been filed in the California Supreme Court arguing that Proposition 8 should be overturned because it’s really a constitutional revision that requires a 2/3 vote of the legislature before it goes to the people for their vote. Clearly it’s a revision, because we had been granted full and equal rights by the court and then along came Prop. 8 that carved out specific rights (from the rights we’d just obtained), namely the right to marry, that the religious right doesn’t think we deserve.

If, for some horrible reason, we lose in state court, the next step would be to go to federal court, and argue that Prop. 8 violates the equal protection and due process clauses of the 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution because the state (here via a constitutional amendment) not only has denied us equal protection, but has also stripped us of the fundamental right to marry. I really hope it doesn’t come to that but, if it does, I can’t wait to read what Justice Ginsburg has to say, especially since I sat next to her 35 years ago at the U.S. Supreme Court’s counsel table as she argued that discrimination against women is suspect, subject to the highest level of scrutiny and that there has to be a compelling state interest (the term used by the California Supreme Court in protecting gays and lesbians) to uphold any discrimination against these protected groups, in both of which I happen to belong.

Brenda Feigen is an attorney now practicing in Los Angeles. Shortly after graduating from Harvard Law School, she co-founded Ms. Magazine with Gloria Steinem, after which she became the director with (now Justice) Ruth Bader Ginsburg of the Women’s Rights Project of the ACLU. It was in that position that she found herself at the U.S. Supreme Court’s counsel table with Professor Ginsburg who was arguing to the all-male court that sex should be a suspect classification. Ms. Feigen has retained her interest in constitutional law ever since. She moved to Los Angeles in 1990 to produce a movie and continue her practice of law. Today her clients include a bi-national same-sex couple who have a daughter but can’t marry because, thanks to DOMA, the non-U.S. citizen would lose her visa. Brenda has written on the subject of same-sex marriage for the Harvard Women’s Law Journal. Her memoir, Not One of the Boys: Living Life as a Feminist was published by Knopf in 2000.

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Ro H
Kryssi, Thank you yet once again for your very nice compliments - I am so sick and tired of the bigotted, hateful, thoughts and remarks about my particular segment of the populus. I missed you this weekend - where’d you go? I loved our last back and forth commentaries - it was quite fun and stimulating to the mind. You have some great contributions, do not ever stop voicing, writing your thoughts and opinions. Blessings! Ro
By Ro H on 11/24/2008 7:07 pm
Walter Wallis
Kicking straw dogs is so much more satisfying than approaching the points I made in my letter. Do not demand an understanding you are unwilling to give in return. NEVER SUBMIT TO JUDGMENT UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT JUDGMENT!
By Walter Wallis on 11/24/2008 7:33 am
Brenda Feigen
You’re still not making any sense — to me. We have been judged unworthy of being married by the majority of Californians. We have had to accept that judgment — at least for now. Your points weren’t awfully clear so that’s it for this response.
By Brenda Feigen on 11/25/2008 1:45 am
Walter Wallis
You have the same rights as I, in that you can marry anyone within the context of marriage. If the express meaning of a word can be changed by usage or judicial fiat, kinda like Gay was co-opted, then the language of the law also can be perverted. What if a law was passed granting special protection to Gays? Can you guarantee that some future court might decide that the protected class can be isolated for their protection? It is usually unwise to call attention to yourself. Would you still campaign for marriage if fringe benefits were taaed as ordinary income?
By Walter Wallis on 11/25/2008 4:11 am
Ro H
Brenda, I could not comprehend what his point was either, so I did not even try to respond. Judgment? About what, who, when? HUH? Just curious, your post shows 2:45 a.m. and, it is now 12:45 a.m. in California. ? I am just a bit confused is all… I thought you are in California. Or, did you just come for the wedding? It’s none of my business, I just couldn’t help but notice, though. I, too, appreciate you and your spouse’s posts. It has certainly livened up this particular topic. Take care, and the best to you both! Ro
By Ro H on 11/25/2008 2:51 am
Brenda Feigen
Ro — I better check what time my laptop at home thinks it is. I wrote at about 12:45 a.m., so thanks for bringing that to my attention. After this email from this guy, Wallis, he wrote another — something about how gay marriage has brought us AIDS. Not worth even trying to answer that ugliness.
By Brenda Feigen on 11/25/2008 4:05 pm
Ro H
I didn’t mean to stir up your poor computer… lol - It is just confused - so am I. The ignorance of some of those str8s! Did you read the new post just below yours? Now it’s a “… left wing conspiracy…” which is being perpetuated by we who demand our equal rights. Marriage is a privilege of the majority, the rest of us don’t matter. And, we are going to destroy the fabric of our Nation, you know. Isn’t it great to have SO MUCH power in this country? Since we do have all that power, let us then ensure ALL the privileges apply to everyone. What say you? Did you read the post in which I stated that males are obviously threatened by we lesbian types, because we might steal their girlfriends, wives, fiance’s? - good grief! How middle agist that one is! [agist] is that a word? lol How many lesbians want to go around and pursue str8t women? Do you know any? I don’t. OMG! That is exactly it!!! Straights are afraid G/L, B/T are going to break up their homes, relationships, steal their sons and daughters, and??? What a freakin stewpid th0ught. Will they ever learn no one can be “TURNED” gay or lesbian!!! It is NOT a choice, rather a part of who we each are. Those who “come out” late in life are not “Turned Gay or Lesbian” they simply FINALLY accept themselves as full human beings. I met someone whom I will never, ever forget. He was a minister in the protestant church, and he came to me for counciling because he was being torn apart by his sexuality. He had been married for 20+ years, was a Christian minister, had two grown children, and finally just couldn’t take it anymore. He asked me for support to learn how to accept himself, and stop hiding this awful “secret” which he realized he had to share with his family. I worked with him only for a few meetings, and he came out to his family. He preached his resignation sermon, and vocally thanked me for my support in his process of self acceptance. He was greeted by the congregation with some very mixed feelings. However, he told me he finally felt free to be himself! After all those years, can you imagine? I knew another young man who was having a similar problem, and I helped him through it - it was while I lived in another State, and I ultimately had to move, so I was no longer available for him. I set him up with a support system before I left - but, alas! he did ultimately commit suicide because he didn’t believe it was alright for him to be gay. Those self righteous, hypocritical GOOD Christian folks who condemn so many to death through their intolerance and ignorance just make me sick. I hope they can live with themselves through their condemnation and intolerance of those of us who could/would otherwise live a normal life.
By Ro H on 11/26/2008 12:50 am
Joe Elway
Marriage is a tradional religious intitution for Men & Women. All this is an another attempt by the left and secular jews to break down traditons. You have civil unions which cover the legal side of assets… and if you legalize gay marriage, then you set a precedent for bigamy , families marrying other family members. Gay marriage is silly feel good gibberish. :)
By Joe Elway on 11/25/2008 3:05 pm
Ro H
WHAT??? Joe, I feel sad for you.
By Ro H on 11/26/2008 2:00 am
Ro H
Finally… The problem with ALL THIS posting is… there is so much misinformation and understanding still, about Gays and Lesbians. Now, there is more going on because of the marriage issue. I personally, am not affected either way. I simply offer my support to those who are sincerely invested in having appropriate rights for every citizen. And, for those people who lump Gay and Lesbian Rights in with any other group, or ideology it is simply erroneous. We are a segment of the world with our own culture and set of needs and circumstances. We really are everywhere! We really are your sisters and brothers, mothers and fathers, aunts and uncles, sons and daughters. We live and love, we work and play, we fight for this country, we die for this country. All we expect is equal rights.
By Ro H on 12/01/2008 2:00 am
Sybelle J
In all honesty, the evangelicals scare me. They are concerned about how moderate most of the voters were in this last election. I’ve seen several statements come from various Focus on the Family type groups about a biblical worldview and how people need to be educated to have that worldview. They are outrageously demanding several states call special sessions so that the Constitutions for those states will be amended with language definning marriage as between a man and a woman. These groups are no different than the Landover Baptist church when you strip away the veneer. They hide behind “we don’t have anything against homosexuals - we just want save the institution of marriage.” These same people then sneer responses about Adam and Steve, or how “It’s in the bible”. Oh, but they’ll get defensive if you mention how high the divorce rate is in America. Save marriage? Ban divorce. Simple. They threw up enough smoke and mirrors to get people scared that even supporting Prop 8 would hurt their constituational rights. I never quite got how the Republican Party could spout ‘LESS GOVERMENT’ and still be balanced with the Religious Right’s need to dictate morals via the Constitution. Didn’t our forefathers intend to keep religion OUT of our politics, thanks to the harsh lessons from the Church of England? And this whole “It’s in the bible business”? In the New Testament women women are charged to not speak of scriptures with anyone but their husbands. Wow. Wonder how many women here would have to be quiet? Hmmm. Oh, women are not allowed to go to Sunday worship with their heads uncovered, or as the scripture mandates “their heads will be shorn”. Yup that means, shorn = no hair. I didn’t make it up. It’s in the bible. Buy stocks in hatmaker companies, I guess.
By Sybelle J on 12/01/2008 2:20 pm
Ro H
And this whole “It’s in the bible business”? In the New Testament women women are charged to not speak of scriptures with anyone but their husbands. Wow. Wonder how many women here would have to be quiet? Hmmm. Oh, women are not allowed to go to Sunday worship with their heads uncovered, or as the scripture mandates “their heads will be shorn”. Yup that means, shorn = no hair. I didn’t make it up. It’s in the bible. Buy stocks in hatmaker companies, I guess. By Sybelle J on 12/01/2008 3:20 pm I had to grin when I read this. No offense meant to you. It is simply just another bit of evidence how some people use the scriptures to scare the bejeezez out of others. If read and translated properly, the Bible would actually be more people friendly. I believe. Many of those pieces in which you refer are actually only written for a specific time and locale. As in the Church in Corinth. Paul was talking about women being silent because of incidents which were taking place during worship, since the women were kept separated in the early church, they sometimes didn’t pay attention and talked during worship. What else were they to do? They were told then, “…women be silent…” and to speak through their husbands since he was the head of the house. It is only about that tradition and that time, and intended as a lesson in proper behavior during worship. As far as wearing head covers, it’s the same or similar to being an “unclean” woman - during menses. It is stil a Jewish tradition for men and women to wear head covers in the synagogue. Sybelle, don’t take it too seriously. God really is only worried or concerned about whether or not we are good, kind people who help one another along the way - and, that we obey the laws of hospitality, love, kindness, gentleness, and so on. It is a difficult thing to do, don’t you think? Some days most esp., for me, on this site with the hatefilled attitudes displayed. Even mine, when I act that way… yuk. Just try and remember if you care to, the Bible is intended to show God’s involvement in the world, teach the good things we need to maintain relationships, and learn how to care for the world we live in. In my opinion, it is not intended to verbaly assault others. Hope this helps… grin
By Ro H on 12/01/2008 6:26 pm
Sybelle J
My take on things is quite in balance with what you say Ro. But I do live in a state where evangelicals are trying to force lawmakers into special session to pass laws defining marriage as between a man and woman. They are trying to stir up the same animosity and vicious evil that they’ve done in California, using fear and the bible as their preferred weapons of choice. When it comes to religion, I give thanks that we are entitled to believe as we choose. But I also believe that it needs to stay out of goverment, out of the political process. When it doesn’t - well, history says it all.
By Sybelle J on 12/02/2008 10:09 am
Meg Rafferty
If I want to marry 2 or 3 men, I should be able too. That choice should not be governed. It’s to private. Meg Rafferty
By Meg Rafferty on 12/12/2008 9:39 am