Before we all rush to judgment, I’d like to read the signs the McCain folks are carrying. I get the impression that they’re far more provocative in content than simply, “McCain-Palin 2008” Could it be a video stunt? Nah, the McCain campaign doesn’t pull stunts.

Bella……I read your earlier post and was bewildered by the idea that the Republican convention was something that would boost public opinion about the GOP. I was sickened by the hateful, divisive negativity, and the overall mocking condescending tone of the event. I do not say this casually, I mean that I was literally demoralized by watching what I perceive to be a celebration of the dark side of human nature. I guess it is like the parable about the blind men and their differing evaluations of a single beast, in that we can “view” the same thing and arrive at such opposite conclusions. Then you posted this video link. The key phrase in your evaluation ( 09/28/2008 1:32 pm) is “From this video……..” This video is riddled with assertions that are outrageous on their face, and there is no perspective by which a viewer can evaluate what those carrying signs were doing as they marched. It strikes me as a piece of propaganda, Bella. I wish you had not posted it. I have made every effort to understand the perspectives of those with whom I do not agree. (Including family, friends, and WowSisters.) Sometimes what I read or hear causes a shift in my opinion……this is NOT one of those times.

Thanks for that! Upper West Siders…..my people!!! Gee, Maybe they are just a tad tired of our country being demolished by IMBECILS. And when we were all protesting the phony war before it began, trying to save our country wasting $1T+ and all the destruction and deaths we were called traitors, told to leave the country etc. So you know. Tough Luck. Maybe the band of hicks should go parade around where they’ll be welcome. You know, where people marry their first cousins. And the entire state is named Bobby-Sue, Billy-Joe, Jethro etc….ie where she will be among HER people.

Bella, I think perhaps it was the venerable Henry Kissinger who may have changed what he said or reworded his statement according to factcheck.org. So perhaps Senator Obama didn’t “lie” but was believing what he had heard before. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_1.html Please, do not think I am attacking you, I’m just pointing out that as fast as things are changing and with all the various forms of communication in play, it would be easy to miss something. I, myself, up until I went to factcheck had been under the impression Dr. Kissinger had been in favor of talking to our adversaries. He had rephrased his words. The important thing is to remember we are all in this together and I think we all want the same thing, a safe world.

While it appears Kissinger and Senator Barack Obama disagree on what level those talks should occur, they do agree talks should begin, in Kissinger’s words, “at a very high level” and without preconditions.Obama took issue with McCain’s characterization of the former top diplomat’s position, but just last week Kissinger said that, while he broadly agrees on the need to negotiate with Iran, he “preferred doing it at the secretary of state level.” When asked if high level talks with Iran should begin right out of the box, Kissinger replied “Initially, yes.” So I Think LIE is a bit over done in regards to your post

McCain IS reckless, that is his personality type and it’s the way he’s running his campaign. Henry Kissinger (last week at Secretarys of State forum): “I’m in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one – (unintelligible) – of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East – of a stable Middle East and our notion of nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it.” Colin Powell: “We should start to talk to them. Don’t wait for a letter coming from them. Start discussion. We’ve been talking to them up through 2003.” Asked whether we should “take the initiative?” Powell responded, “Yeah. We shouldn’t we? What are we afraid of? We did.”

Is what Kissinger says supposed to be impressive? The February and March 2001 issues of Harper’s Magazine feature a series by Christopher Hitchens on the case for charging Kissinger with War Crimes. Part I: The making of a war criminal Part 2 will feature an extensive section on East Timor. Christopher Hitchens’ Trial of Henry Kissinger: A Review By Mike McGlothlin … Hitchens presents a rather straightforward argument that establishes two seemingly undeniable propositions: on at least one occasion, Henry K. conspired to commit murder, and that on numerous other occasions, Henry K. was the primary force behind certain acts that could quite plausibly be considered war crimes. The case for Henry K. as murder conspirator is what Hitchens calls a “lay-down” case, i.e., one that stands out for its clear facts and clear law. The murder victim is General Rene Schneider, who was the Commander in Chief of the Chilean Army, whom Hitchens misidentifies as the Chilean “Chief of Staff.”; According to Hitchens (and the 09 September, 1970 minutes of the “40” Committee, the Kissinger chaired secret panel that oversaw U.S. covert operations), the Chilean military had a strong tradition of neutrality in political affairs, a rarity on the South American continent. General Schneider was known as an officer committed to upholding the Chilean constitution and therefore opposed to the rumored incipient coup against newly elected Socialist President Salvador Allende by a right wing would-be junta of current and former Chilean military officers. Using U.S. Government communications cables from the CIA and documents from the State Department, and White House, Hitchens relates the facts of Kissinger’s direct involvement in the direction, planning, financing, and general support by the organs of the U.S. Government in the plot to remove General Schneider. LA Weekly: WLS Review: Henry: Portrait of a Serial Kissinger How You Can Do What the Government Won’t: Arrest Henry Kissinger - Manhattan’s Milosevic, The Village Voice, Week of August 15 - 21, 2001 … bring Henry Kissinger to justice for crimes against humanity. Consider, though, what happened to the last people to talk even jokingly about plans for a citizen’s arrest of the real-life model for Dr. Strangelove. … An indictment of Henry Kissinger for genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes would include (but not be confined to) the following. … Henry Kissinger: War Criminal or Old-Fashioned Murderer? - Welcome to the “Henry Kissinger: Unindicted Terrorist” file! … Incredibly, Henry Kissinger—the man who rivals Pol Pot for the dubious honor of being the person responsible for the death of the largest number of innocent people in South East Asia (and far surpasses Pol Pot in criminality when one factors in Kissinger’s various levels of responsibility for wholesale slaughter and repression in other parts of the world)—still wields significant power in the United States; but his role as eager facilitator of mass murder, totalitarian repression and other atrocities is never discussed in polite society. Masterminded the murder of as estimated 600,000 peasants in Cambodia (the “Secret bombing”) Pol Pot And Kissinger On war criminality and impunity by Edward S. Herman President Ford and Secretary of State Kissinger gave the go ahead to Suharto’s invasion of East Timor and subsequent massive war crimes there, and the same Kissinger, who helped President Nixon engineer and then protect the Pinochet coup and regime of torture and murder, and directed the first phase of the holocaust in Cambodia (1969-75) … The time was September 11, 1973. The country was Chile. The event was the bloody overthrow of a democratic government. And the criminals were Henry Kissinger, Richard Nixon, The CIA, and Chilean Dictator Augusto Pinochet. Pepsico, ITT, and other large U.S. corporations were also guilty parties in these crimes against the State and against The People of Chile. The Pornography of Power TOBY HARNDEN, TELEGRAPH, LONDON: Washington reacted furiously to a request by Chilean judges for Henry Kissinger, the former secretary of state, to answer questions about an American journalist killed during the 1973 coup in Chile. A Bush administration official condemned the Chilean supreme court decision to send questions to Dr Kissinger, saying the move increased unease about the proposed International Criminal Court in The Hague. The administration source said: “It is unjust and ridiculous that a distinguished servant of this country should be harassed by foreign courts in this way. The danger of the ICC is that, one day, US citizens might face arrest abroad and prosecution as a result of such politically motivated antics.” … In its ruling, Chile’s supreme court said a list of questions should be sent to the US supreme court with regard to Dr Kissinger’s knowledge of the circumstances surrounding the death of Charles Horman, a journalist arrested by troops loyal to General Augusto Pinochet. His body was identified in a mortuary weeks later … The Chilean order came less than two months after French detectives delivered a court summons to Dr Kissinger, who was visiting Paris, asking him to testify about the disappearance of French nationals in Chile … In another case, a judge in Argentina has ordered Dr Kissinger to testify in a human-rights trial about a 1970s plan by South American governments to kidnap and kill Left-wing critics. [news/2001/08/01] The US involvement in coup planning began even before Allende’s election victory, under the code-name FUBELT, with action plans prepared for Kissinger’s consideration. One group of officers working under CIA direction carried out the assassination of General Rene Schneider, a pro-Allende officer, in an unsuccessful attempt to spark a full-scale coup before Allende could take office. Can Henry Kissinger be Extradited? He serves his consulting firm, Kissinger Associates, serves as a sort of private National Security Adviser and Secretary of State to about 30 major corporations around the world, such as American Express, Freeport-McMoRan Minerals, Chase Manhattan Bank, Volvo … Walter Isaacson on Booknotes According to the new book Kissinger, by Walter Isaacson, published in 1992 by Simon & Schuster, ASEA Brown Boveri (page 733) had a contract or project arrangement with Henry Kissinger’s money-making consulting firm, Kissinger Associates, in 1990. According to this fascinating book, Kissinger started his consultancy in July 1982 with “$350,000 lent to him by Goldman Sachs and a consortium of three other banks.” Some of the people Kissinger hired to work for him were Brent Scowcroft, former national security adviser, and Lawrence Eagleburger “who was lured aboard as president in June 1984 after serving as undersecretary of state”. Both Snowcroft and Eagleburger left Kissinger Associates in 1989 to join President Bush’s administration. Kent Associates is a subsidiary of Kissinger Associates. On pages 733-734 a list of some of Kissinger’s corporate clients include, aside from ABB: Shearson Lehman Hutton, Atlantic Richfield, Banca Nazionale del Lavora (BNL) “a Rome bank that made illegal loans to Iraq”; Fluor; Hunt Oil; Merck & Co.; Union Carbide. http://www.workonwaste.org/wastenots/wn218.htm The Iranian: Opinion, Kissinger, Good will - From “The Oil Deal With Iran” by Henry Kissinger, distributed by the Los Angeles Times Syndicate and published in The Washington Post (October 28, 1997). Chapter 9 - An Abridged History of the United States - . This material rested on illegal wiretaps ordered by Henry Kissinger, and it turned up in John Ehrlichman’s office. Kissinger, Iraq, BNL

hard to blame Clinton for 9/11—-that goes to the ceaseless Middle-East war—-so, after ‘terrorizing’ the Brits out, the Palestinians are offered nickles on the $ to ‘get-out’—-remember the 1st ‘big-time’ terrorist, Abu Nidal? his family had hotels, fortune—-all lost—-do you like being robbed? do ya like your kids with no arms? terrorist breed from such global crime—-true, plenty of beefs w/Clinton—-ya just picked the wrong one. as for Mr. K? come-on, they guy was key to wasting 3,000,000 Indo-Chinese—-hard to think of a more evil man—-but i’ll keep trying—-

Yes they are geniuses at keeping prices low, I shop there also because I can’t afford not to but I don’t like it. Their genius comes from not giving their employees any benefits, proper pay and break times. But they still manage to make their top executives very rich, just like the other big business companies, and they probably do not shop in their own stores.