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Q & A | 11/03/2008 3:00 pm

Tom Brokaw: It Makes Feminists Crazy, but Palin Is a Tribute to Women's Movement

Julia Reed talks to Tom Brokaw about this remarkable election in part one of her interview with him
NBC News

Though Tom Brokaw retired after 21 years as the anchor of NBC Nightly News four years ago, he is still among the hardest-working men in television. In the wake of the death of his friend Tim Russert, he has taken on the host duties at “Meet the Press”; he moderated the presidential debate in Oxford, MS, and he has provided some of the best commentary throughout this seemingly endless campaign that comes to an end tomorrow.

“I didn’t think I’d be wearing quite as many uniforms for the home team as it were,” he told me in a recent chat. “I think like the rest of the country, I want this campaign to be over so we can move on to solving the problems that face us.”

Though he laughs about his “UFO theory,” referring to the rollercoaster ride of a campaign season in which “a complete surprise” happened “every eight days,” he does not see a surprise scenario where McCain pulls off a victory. He does, however, predict that no matter what happens, we have not seen the last of Sarah Palin.

“We’ll hear from her again,” he says. “She is not gone with this cycle. I’ll be interested to know how much of a taste she has for this — she seems to enjoy it quite a lot. Having ambition is a big part of being successful in politics and there’s nothing wrong with that. She’s demonstrated she can go out there and fill up the arenas. They haven’t knocked her off her feet completely. She could run for the senate, she could run for president in four years. A lot of people shake their heads at that, but I saw [“Saturday Night Live” producer] Lorne Michaels the other night and he told me that when Tina Fey walks into the studio just dressed up like her the whole place goes nuts. That tells you everything you need to know. Even her impersonator brings down the house.

"There are a lot of women I know in the American West and out in the Great Plains who get her. She’s a product of a male-dominated state and she has done really well for herself there. Does that mean they agree with her politically or want her to be vice president? Not necessarily. But it does mean they want her to be taken seriously. It makes traditional feminists crazy when I say it, but her place on the ticket is a tribute to the whole women’s movement. The movement ought not to look at women through a single prism.”

Still, he adds, “I don’t think she’s equipped to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. I’m just calling balls and strikes here. The fact is that there are a half dozen senators I can name who are a lot dumber. I talked to Bill Clinton a few weeks ago, and he said, ‘You know, Tom, she’s going to do real well in those small towns where you hang out.’ And he’s right; she does connect with hockey moms, she does connect with women who have their own businesses.”

Stay tuned for part two of Julia’s interview with Tom Brokaw.

Click here to read "Tom Brokaw: Every Day I Say Aloud, ‘Timmy We Need to Talk’"

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Maizie James
Sarah Palin is a tribute to Women’s Movement? I have a question. Is it elitist or classist to expect or assume that a person running for high office should be well educated? Yes? No? Um … Then, is it unreasonable to question a VP or Presidential candidate’s judgment regarding issues of moral law respective to … oh say, abortion, physician assisted suicide, creationism vs evolution, war or diplomacy, if they have NEVER read St. Augustine, John Locke, Thomas Aquinas, Luther … or Thomas Jefferson? What about topics dealing with criminal law, social disobedience, and prison reform? Should we hold our politicians with skepticism if they have NEVER read Nietzsche’s theory of The Extraordinary Man, or Dostoevsky’s, Crime And Punishment, for example? Or … What about decisions our politicians make respective to funding for education reform and funding for social programs. Would we respect their decisions if they have NEVER read Sophocles, Dante, Shakespeare, Thoreau,Tolstoy; or Gandhi or Karl Marx? Would we be snide if they have never seen the operas Evita, Madame Butterfly, The Barber of Seville, or … Porgy And Bess? Or, what if they have never read Alexandre Dumas, Gertrude Stein, Oscar Wilde, Emily Bronte, or Hemingway … ……., and so forth. I know. I’ll make this simpler. What if our nominee for VP or President prefers … oh say, LETS MAKE A DEAL, rather than JEOPARDY? What if they prefer, Danielle Steele rather than, Jane Austin? Or what if they prefer DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES rather than … oh say, PBS AMERICAN EXPERIENCE or MASTERPIECE THEATER? Would we think of them with LESS esteem? What if our nominee for high office prefers aerial hunting rather than golf or tennis? What if they preferred darts rather than chess? Would we have LESS respect for them? Overall, would our nominee seem LESS credible to speak to the issues, which all Americans care about? Um … I wonder. Do these type of questions represent the worst kind of bias there is … far worse than prejudice related to racism and sexism? BUT WAIT!! IS EDUCATION POWER? IS EDUCATION RELEVANT? (Gosh darn. You betcha!!!)
By Maizie James on 11/03/2008 11:10 pm
Josie Sullivan
Tom- I really don’t think that Sarah Palin could pull this off on her own. As for Tina Fey, well come on….Tina Fey gets that reaction because she is brilliant not because of Palin. Now, we could say that Tina Fey has upped her standing in the world of female comics and thus served her country well. Humor is healing at a time like this. Tina Fey has done more for the “feminist movement” than Sarah Pain…errr, uh Palin.
By Josie Sullivan on 11/03/2008 11:12 pm
Maizie James
Merrell, I was, of course, being sarcastic to make a point because I disagree with Tom Brokaw’s assertion that Sarah Palin is a tribute to the feminist movement; women who were highly intelligent, and revolutionary in their mission for women’s rights. I think it is VERY relevant to question Sarah Palin’s ‘readiness to lead’. She seems (in my opinion) to be dangerously uninformed and limited, respective to general knowledge. Sure, Palin comes off ‘sharp and feisty’, yet I’ve I’ve never heard her say anything, which conveyed a grasp of understanding about important issues. I’ve listened to her interviews, and to the short ‘sound bites’ from her rallies. Most of what she has said seems ‘rehearsed’ . And, I don’t thing she ‘connects’ with women who are, frankly, more educated. I do agree that education alone does not make a person ‘exceptional’, or great in their professions. In fact, when we consider all the Ivy League brain power trying to figure out the economic mess, one wonders how our economic burdens will ever be fixed. Nonetheless, education IS important, as is common sense and reason. And, Sarah Palin falls far short of representing the ‘model’ of women feminist who have paved the way for those who will rise in American politics and beyond. Sorry Mr. Brokaw. But you are wrong about SP.
By Maizie James on 11/04/2008 12:36 am
Jackie Sanders
Sarah Palin is a tribute only to the “anti-intellectual” movement.
By Jackie Sanders on 11/04/2008 12:09 am
Okpulot Taha
Some interesting statistics on news coverage of Sarah Palin: Begin Quote 69 network news stories: 2 positive, 37 negative. During the two weeks beginning September 29 and ending October 12, ABC, NBC and CBS news shows ran a total of 69 stories about Palin. Only 2 of the 69 stories were positive…. Positive evening news stories about Palin: 0. Not a single broadcast by ABC’s World News, NBC’s Nightly News, or CBS’s Evening News…aired a positive story about Palin during the two-week study window. Stories suggesting Palin is a dunce: 21…. Stories depicting Palin as a demon: 14…. End Quote - Brian Fitzpatrick, “Network News’s High-Tech Lynching of Sarah Palin”, Culture and Media Institute http://www.cultureandmediainstitute.org/articles/2008/20081029195322.asp… Okpulot Taha Choctaw Nation
By Okpulot Taha on 11/04/2008 12:59 am
Wine Warrior
The stories about Palin are negative because she is an IDIOT!!
By Wine Warrior on 11/04/2008 8:59 am
Marjorie C.
Wino, What is it we used to say as kids: It takes one to know one. Only an idiot would recognize another.
By Marjorie C. on 11/04/2008 11:24 am
Okpulot Taha
A lesson to be drawn by all Americans from this year’s election cycle is our American mainstream media cannot be trusted for any reason. Those days of Walter Cronkite and truthful reporting are forever gone. Our mainstream media has fallen to such a gossip rag tabloid sleazeball level, I no longer trust our local news weather reports. My habit is now to trust my weather instincts and to go outside to have a look around to discover if there is a shred of truth to weather reports. Tonight, at precisely eleven, I flipped around several major stations to catch opening stories. Almost all are announcing a landslide victory for Obama, not “predicting” rather factually announcing a landslide victory for Obama. As you know, election day is not until tomorrow. Our American mainstream media is predominately populated by men. Our American media is masculine sexist, almost misogynistic. This is well evidenced by a lot discussion of sexism in our media and a lot of criticism of our media for being sexist, from all quarters. I am quite sure many, maybe most, perhaps a majority of Americans are brainwashed into believing Sarah Palin is just another dumb woman. What is truly dumb about this is Americans not thinking for themselves rather are allowing others to think for them. Seems I am one of the lucky; my mind is mine just as is Sarah’s. Okpulot Taha Choctaw Nation
By Okpulot Taha on 11/04/2008 1:15 am
M L Staats
… What is truly dumb about this is Americans not thinking for themselves rather are allowing others to think for them. Seems I am one of the lucky; my mind is mine just as is Sarah’s. Okpulot Taha Choctaw Nation By Okpulot Taha on 11/04/2008 2:15 am :: You and I have something in common: I, too, do not need anyone to tell me what to think. I can process information all on my own. My mind is mine, as well. And while I support your right to think and feel as you do and your right to express your opinion, I have a mind to disagree with you. I am not saying Ms. Palin is a bad person but she lacks the depth I require to admire someone, be it a male or a female. It is my opinion the woman lacks compassion and a curiosity about life. Nobody told me that. I ascertained it for myself. That is what I think and I am not dumb or stupid or anything of the kind. I think for myself and that is what I think.
By M L Staats on 11/04/2008 1:31 am
sibelle daubigne
Okpulot Taha………. Are you talking about the herd mentality afflicting the Nation?
By sibelle daubigne on 11/04/2008 2:24 am
Marjorie C.
Okpulot Taha: …our American mainstream media cannot be trusted for any reason. Indeed true, and it leaves a little feel of abandonment in the pit of your stomach. Where do we get our news now? Will it be from Internet bloggers? Seems this election cycle has flipped us all back to another century. …my mind is mine just as is Sarah’s. Nice closing remark, I hope you take the time to comment again.
By Marjorie C. on 11/04/2008 6:46 am
Ro H
It is not Sarah Palin who I have problems with, it is everything she stands for. She is not an advance for the womens’ movement in any stretch of the imagination. She is simply a pawn in the Republican movement… How can anyone with any real intelligence stack her up against a 1) feminist, 2) a woman of independent thought, or 3) a woman which truly empowers other women? NONE of the above! If we want a patriarch in a dress, maybe. If we want a strong, assertive woman, maybe. If we want a woman who continues to follow in the footsteps of a male - dominant society, yes. [Brokaw] Give me a break!
By Ro H on 11/04/2008 5:43 am
Anne B.
Her place on the ticket is a tribute to the whole women’s movement.”…… NOT in my opinion….. seems more like a tribute to a failed political strategy. I have listened to most of her interviews and have come to my own conclusion that she is vastly under-educated. She is bright enough to recall sound bites and pander to audiences……but not bright enough to answer questions in any meaningful way. And don’t even get me started on her recent statement of “for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate’s free speech rights under the Constitution” Huh? Her lack of comprehension is staggering.
By Anne B. on 11/04/2008 6:00 am
Eldie W
The only thing I see as a tribute is the fact that the McCain organization felt that it was imperative to have a vagina on the ticket. So he found one that was an intellectual lightweight who would look good at photo ops but who would cause no trouble in his administration. Is that what the Women’s Movement has been fighting for? No, Tom, with numerous more qualified women in public service available, the choice of Sarah Palin as a running mate was no tribute. It was a slap in the face. I’ve asked this before; does anyone really believe that President John McCain would look to VP Sarah Palin for advice on anything?
By Eldie W on 11/04/2008 7:23 am
Okpulot Taha
Sibelle Daubigne asks, “Are you talking about the herd mentality afflicting the Nation?” Yes, this herd of mindless minions we label mainstream America. These are the people who elected George Bush twice and will probably elect Obama today. Easy enough to note this mindless behavior much like watching a stampede of buffalo switching direction together as if a single animal. In 2000 year, mindless Americans were led astray by a well organized Bush political machine. In 2004 year, Americans proved to be stuck on stupid. Having finally noticed they are stampeding headlong into a shear granite cliff wall, mainstream America peformed an about-face and are now running headlong into each other; political infighting. Today, I am quite sure, Americans will prove they are again stampeding as a mindless herd, heading straight for a pine forest within which they will smash headfirst into tree trunks knocking themselves silly while scattering themselves into a disorganized confused herd. Today, mindless minions will elect Obama who will prove to be worse than George Bush. In 2000 year, Americans ran to the extreme right. Today, Americans are running to the extreme left. Seems none of this herd have sense enough to charge down a middle-of-the-road path which is clear and straight. This is a path of common sense, pointed to by McCain. Eight years later, Americans finally realize Bush is slaughtering us. Now in a panic, Americans are willingly running into Obama’s slaughter house while ignoring an escape path between a slaughter house on the right and a slaughter house on the left. Mainstream America, being mindless minions, have not enough common sense to break away from this herd, to stop, to look around, to give thought, “How can I avoid being slaughtered?” Here are two articles of mine which assertively sound an alarm bell. These are two articles out of very many over the years, which are published at our Securities and Exchange Commission, http://www.sec.gov/comments/s7-08-08/s70808-156.htm http://www.sec.gov/comments/s7-08-08/s70808-329.htm You will note both articles are dated just before our economy took an extreme nosedive. Those articles are dated long before our politicians began screaming for regulatory reform. Those two articles represent a final effort, a final venting of anger, after several years of writing thousands of articles and thousands of email warning of a pending economic disaster. What did Cox do recently? Ban short sales in key stocks, much too late. What did McCain do recently? Called for Cox to be fired, much too late. Last time, a Bush slaughter trap. This time, an Obama slaughter trap. Four years from now, Sarah Palin will be asking America, “Are you any better off than you were four years back?” Maybe after another four years of being slaughtered, this time, our mindless minion American herd will stop and listen. I am the lone buffalo standing atop a hill watching my herd stampede straight into a slaughter trap. Okpulot Taha Choctaw Nation
By Okpulot Taha on 11/04/2008 7:51 am