Okay, Mugsy, I will accept your chastisement for the incorrect phrasing of what Dr. Klein does. You are quite right, hate-speak is never amusing and you are right that if it were translated into racial terms, I’d be the first one freaking out. Perhaps it would be best if I said I think men who feel that way about us are beyond being absurd and I don’t give them an ounce of my credit or time. It rolls off my back because I know - and I do mean KNOW - he is wrong. I haven’t noticed that this site has an administrator or moderator who steps in and tells people posting what is appropriate or not the way many of the sites I visit do. If they are here, I’ve not seen signs of anybody stepping in so that leaves us on the honor system. I can tell how important this is to you and in no way do I mean to blow you off or demean your strongly held opinion. But until the site decides how they plan to moderate things, I choose to consider the source when I see he has posted. He reminds me of the men in my family and I guess I have developed a hide like a rhinoceros but I am sensitive to the fact many others do not have that hide. I cannot control what anybody posts here nor do I want to. But let me ask you this - I am assuming you have contacted the founders here and told them of your opinions - what have they replied or have they? I am curious. Again, if I offended you with my rather flippant phrasing, I do apologize as it was not my intent. And since we don’t know each other and I can’t see your face when we’re typing to correctly gauge your intent, I would have to ask that you give me the benefit of the doubt. I am an intelligent, thoughtful, concerned person who has not denigrated anyone purposefully or with intent and I’m deserving of respect as much as you or anyone else here.

Take your time, Frank. We’ll be here.

Hi Frank … I posted this to you some where earlier in the thread before seeing your latest post: Frank - I apologize that you felt slighted by my flippant comment about ‘sulking’ … was certainly not my intention to be hurtful, very sorry. Honestly after re-reading this entire thread (yikes), I still don’t understand: everyone congratulated you on your post(s) and your presence on wow, then everyone told you how nice it would be if you stayed around - nobody attacked you, your writing, your ideas … yet you decided you were not welcome and firmly decided to leave … I called that sulking … Sorry again. The thread of discussion moved into a different direction, nothing wrong with that … after all the congratulations, the discussion went off into the editorial choices of this web-site, which had nothing to do with you, everyone pointed that out too … maybe it wasn’t the right place to address these other topics - but currently there is no other thread regarding the overall aspects of the wow site … so it seemed alright to point out editorial choices in this area, where the editors had picked a reader’s comment as a guest feature (first time? I wouldn’t know, have only checked in sporadically)

Eleanor……..I agree — Frank is definitely to be loved and admired. I’d like for him to stay and give us the “male” side of the story. So maybe I should write a love note to frank — from Khalil Gibran — “Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation”.

Ms. Roche, Some on this site come off “superior” and others can come off as “perfumy” and many come off “eggheaded” and I come off as “needy” and the rest represent all the wonderful things in between. I am most delighted to see my family on wow talking this evening … :) Now, about sexism, elitism and race … oh, my! BETA … what a word!

You portrayed issues of low self-esteem to get attention, Liza, Karin and whomever else you pose as? That’s unfortunate but I’ll take the lesson with me…