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Politics | 09/02/2008 9:29 am

The wowOwow Reader Forum on Governor Palin

The comments haven’t stopped here at wowOwow since the stunning news on Friday that John McCain, Maverick, had selected Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska, a novice on the national stage, to join him on the Republican ticket.  Many of our wowOwow contributors have weighed in on their thoughts, as have many readers.  Now, as new news emerges about the Governor, speculation continues at a fevered pitch.  We welcome your insights both positive and negative and neutral on this, the second day of the Republican convention

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elizabeth cassidy
As I prepared to listen to Sarah Palin do a “stand up routine” last night, I walked into the bedroom with a few essentials: my dog’s Prozac, a bottle of cheap wine to wash down before mentioned prescription drugs, a rope to hang myself and a copy of “War and Peace.” Not to read, but to knock myself out if the Prozac wasn’t kicking in fast enough My husband chose to cower in the living room. He knew my rebuttal would start just around the time Ms Palin decided to speak. My first impression was that I was in a comedy club with a rather mediocre comic at the mike. Then before the Prozac kicked in, I realized that this woman before me was running for vice president of this country. My country. Chris Rock, she ain’t! I was rather taken aback by her infantile sarcasm and her cruelty for the sake of making a group of people giggle like kids watching something they shouldn’t on TV. When she was gleefully attacking Barack Obama for his community service, she showed a really ugly side. A lawyer who graduated from Harvard goes back into communities that needed a voice… what point was she trying to make? That Obama is a real son of a bitch for trying to help people less fortunate? Shame on you, Ms. Palin. So lipstick is the one difference between a soccer mom and a pit bull? Old joke. So violence in sports is okay, huh? I have not lost my sense of humor. I just don’t get her jokes. YOU ARE RUNNING FOR VP OF THIS COUNTRY. Go home and go to open mike night! I am still so angry with McCain for picking Palin and thinking that Clinton supporters like me will move away from their party to vote for a woman who doesn’t seem to have the same values as they do. A metaphor that comes to mind is a car full of civil rights leaders getting into a car being driven out of town by a driver in a white sheet. Intelligent voters, both women and men, know that to have this team win in November is just plain Palin wrong I sadly think as the honeymoon high wears off that people will do what they always do with a “strong” woman. They will label her a bitch. And for once I will agree.
By elizabeth cassidy on 09/04/2008 12:25 pm
Jeanne Brennan
Elizabeth, I loved your post. I alternate between yelling at my TV, wanting to cry and hide under the covers in my room, and looking at the globe scouting out new places to move to (no heavy snow, no hurricanes or tornados, no McCain or Palin. I often visit this site but don’t post. I’m on a few other sites where this is a hot topic and I just wanted to share this email I recieved. I hope it fits on this forum. *************************************************************************************************** Anne Kilkenny’s post in response to the Washington Independent article entitled ”The Reform Candidate?” “Dear friends, So many people have asked me about what I know about Sarah Palin in the last 2 days that I decided to write something up … Basically, Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton have only 2 things in common: their gender and their good looks. You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts websites, Thanks, Anne ABOUT SARAH PALIN I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child’s favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city. She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won’t vote for her can’t quit smiling when talking about her because she is a “babe”. It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months. She is “pro-life”. She recently gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby. She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym. She is savvy. She doesn’t take positions; she just “puts things out there” and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit. Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans. Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters. She’s smart. Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents. During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign. Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a fiscal conservative. During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents. The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later—to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing. While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once. These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city. As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state. In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today’s surplus, borrow for needs. She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren’t evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them. While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin’s attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day. Sarah complained about the old boy’s club when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of “old boys”. Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal— loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below). As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he intimidated her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska’s top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it’s pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn’t fire her sister’s ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support. She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness. Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her. When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the old boys’ club when she dramatically quit, exposing this man’s ethics violations (for which he was fined). As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the bridge to nowhere after it became clear that it would be unwise not to. As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects—which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance—but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as anti-pork. She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative. Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her Sarah Barracuda because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah’s mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her. As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as AGIA that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum. Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned as a private citizen against a state initiative that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State’s lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior’s decision to list polar bears as a threatened species. McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President. There have to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she. However, there are a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it. CLAIM VS FACT Hockey mom: true for a few years PTA mom: true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since NRA supporter: absolutely true Social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconstitutional). Pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it. Pro-life: mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation Experienced: Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000. Political maverick: not at all Gutsy: absolutely! Open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions. Has a developed philosophy of public policy: no A Greenie: no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR. Fiscal conservative: not by my definition! Pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards. Pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents Pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla’s history. Pro-labor/pro-union: No. Just because her husband works union doesn’t make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union. WHY AM I WRITING THIS? First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations. Secondly, I’ve always operated in the belief that “Bad things happen when good people stay silent”. Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings. Third, I am just a housewife. I don’t have a job she can bump me out of. I don’t belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that’s life. Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah’s attempt at censorship. Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable. CAVEATS I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can’t recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall—they are swamped. So I can’t verify my numbers. You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my “about 5,000”, up to 9,000. The day Palin’s selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90’s. Anne Kilkenny August 31, 2008 http://www.washingtonindependent.com/36 … -candidate
By Jeanne Brennan on 09/05/2008 3:00 am
Maurine H
Thank you, Jeanne, for posting Anne Kilkenny’s very sensible, factual letter. I have emailed it to everyone on my email contacts list, even at the risk of having some of my more conservative friends tell me to mind my own business. I’ve urged them to send Anne’s letter to everyone they know. Maurine H.
By Maurine H on 09/05/2008 12:03 pm
L. Scott
First of all I am proud to be a Democrat and more importantly a progressive American. This election is all about control of our energy policy. This election is about OIL. We must win this election in order to save our country and our planet. Everything else will be determined by this issue. We must focus on this one issue for all the other issues to be resolved.
By L. Scott on 09/05/2008 8:23 am
Eliza Dodd
Rock The Vote Change America for the Better ..Obama ! or another 4 more years of Nazi’s !and more Death in Iraq ! And another 16,000x4 Americans Dead from not being able to pay the High Cost of Health Care !600 Americans DIE everyday in this COUNTRY every single day from not having Health Insurance ….OBAMA!!!Health Care Now .org .PS Micheal MOORE has a FREE Movie SLACKERS on his web site …about this election Moore is voting for OBAMA and So Am I ! And so is my entire family ..and all my friends 40 somethings ….who NONE have Health Care !
By Eliza Dodd on 09/05/2008 9:22 am
Mary Veasey
Lots more needs to be found out re this lady, we do not need a sweet talking pol who has a direct line to God and thinks no one else does; her pastor seems to be pretty radical. We had that for 8 years and see what we got. She seems to have enough to do w/a pregnant daughter with a boyfriend who may or may not show up at the wedding, a new baby w/special needs (extra medical attention?) and a seven year old. One of first things she decided to do as Gov was to get pregnant as though Alaska did not keep her busy. This will set woman back when she cannot deliver. Woman can use common sense and their instincts to tell them when this is not the right time for ambition to overule family needs. Mary
By Mary Veasey on 09/05/2008 11:38 am
Alessan O
This women is a former beauty queen who has made it to the big time, how she got there is the question.? Affirmative action laws I guess who really has mostly helped the white women in this country, not the people of color, very few people of color have made it to the big time with the help of affirmative action laws. This women would be the first to try to get rid of affirmative action although it has mostly helped women. So far from what I have read she a mean spirited person, just from her speech she’s a mean person. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. Who needs a Nazi in the White House, man or women. Who cares if she stays home or not, why it that so important, she can afford baby sitters or nannies for her children, like most rich women who work. Palin is not a working women with an average working husband, who has job but cannot make ends meet. So he gets a second job, and the wife goes to work to make the paycheck complete, while she has small children. For women in Palin’s position staying home is an option or choice. With poor and middle class they need their jobs it’s work or poverty, paycheck to paycheck.
By Alessan O on 09/05/2008 10:19 pm
Lise 22
I have a Canadian comment. I feel that if the American electoral process required that the election needed 95% voter turn out that people would vote for whoever just to get the damn thing over with.
By Lise 22 on 09/05/2008 12:54 pm
BA Scherrman
Palin says she speaks for the middle class; women;big families; anti-abortionists;church going parishioners;hard workers; politicallyl involved….. Well,,,,I am all of the above…..and she DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ME. The woman is one scary, nasty, selfish person.
By BA Scherrman on 09/06/2008 10:31 am
Kat Pos
Sarah Palin’s addition to the Republican ticket fascinates me. I’m a year older than she is, gave birth just last year to a “surprise” baby, have older school age children, a solid career, and a husband who truly partners at home. We need more women from that demographic in political power positions. That said, I can’t miss the hypocrosy of her current windfall (the vp nomination of her party): She chose to continue with her pregnancy after discovering she would give birth to a child with a disability. If she is pro-life she cannot be celebrated for making that “choice.” She had no option. She also has a job that is flexible and financial stable (and that includes healthcare) and a helpful domestic partner, so that child’s addition to her family was not financially catastrophic or slowed down her career (obviously). But her reality is not that of the majority of the women in the country she wants to represent. I don’t think she gets that. Because of the way she shot out of the gate at the convention (the infamously partisan speech, for example), and because of what we now know of her political and personal background, I can’t be persuaded she can truly help our country right now. I’m an independent voter who will choose Obama/ Biden, because the stakes are so very high this year. But I will also watch Palin in the years to come. I hope that her presence will inspire more women to go into politics at a younger age. (It’s inspiring me). I also hope Palin slows down enough at some point to grow the heart and intellect to become a true stateswoman for her party. Now more than ever they need more people who have energy, guts AND depth. (McCain used to be that kind of person.) She’s captured the imagination of plenty of people, and I hope she uses that gift and obligation well.
By Kat Pos on 09/06/2008 1:02 pm
Elizabeth Gully
I think that everyone should stop speculating on the parentage of Sarah Palin’s child, leave her family alone to deal with their problems and start focusing on the issues that face our nation. There has been some excellent information presented here that paints a pretty good picture of Palin and what she has done to date. But the key to making an informed decision to do some research - don’t just read one opinion or article, read two or three or four. Find out what is being said about her in Europe or Asia, see how this selection has affected our standing with the rest of the world - be informed. As far as the pitbull/mother analogy, I personally think she’s giving mothers a bad name - she is not the kind of mother that I am nor do I want to be like her. I may be a pitbull in lipstick, but my children talk to me about their lives, including birth control and I know what’s happening with them. I have a feeling that communication may have broken down for the Palins and I am sad for their daughter, as she will grow up much too soon. I hope for everyone’s sake that the press and public can back off her family and judge Sarah Palin on her merits, so that we can honestly say we didn’t elect her because she really wasn’t that good. Liz
By Elizabeth Gully on 09/06/2008 6:28 pm
kristin L.
Elizabeth, Consider what Sarah Palin is promoting and running on in this election, family values. In that case it’s hard to leave her family out of the conversation. A mother who makes such an ambitious decision knowing that it would cause her daughter emotional distress should be considered into the equation. Who else will she sell out for her own gains. This brings up more than her parenting skills, it gives me a better understanding about her character, it helps us understand who this woman is. And, if she’s as tough as she says , she can handle it. Barack did.
By kristin L. on 09/06/2008 9:11 pm
Buh- Bye
I’m not sure the Democratic leadership quite grasps the brilliance of the Sarah Palin pick. Not only does it look like they are going to win this now… (Obama does well when he’s loved up, but when under attack he crumbles - like he did at the end of the primary.) …but Republicans have likely done in Hillary’s chances for a 2012 run. Even if McCain decides not to run for a second term, they now a charismatic female in the wings who will have been in a top position at the White House with executive powers for 4 years.
By Buh- Bye on 09/06/2008 9:38 pm
John G
I haven’t read any other comments, so I’m quite sure I’m just repeating previous concerns, but what the heck, it’s a blog… There is only one concern with Sarah’s politics: the ridiculous insistence upon religious-centered policies, especially 1. Public school sex-education, which she ensured her daughter didn’t have access to (a very burning embarrassment for her, or it should be), and B. Choice, which apparently her daughter can have, but no one else can (co-related embarrassment). Those two things are the eye-openers for this selection. She is obviously intelligent and a very impressive personality. Heck, I’d vote for them (mainly because she’d probably end up being the President in the first term) if it weren’t for her need to impose her personal beliefs upon me and others (Supreme Court appointments!!!). God (his son, and the holy ghost) knows we’re going to be having enormous tax increases under Obama, particularly if the Congress goes Democratic, too. However, this is one time that my pocketbook will not be the major voting decision driver. Too bad Hillary isn’t there…
By John G on 09/07/2008 3:24 pm
DeBúrca obj
Two things: Regarding Obama and taxes, Fred Thompson repeated misleading claims about Obama’s tax program at the Republican Convention, saying it would bring “one of the largest tax increases in American history.” But as increases go, Obama’s package is hardly a history-maker. It would raise taxes for families with incomes above $250,000. Most people would see a cut. And the idea that Sarah Palin is so smart. She has a degree in Journalism from U. of Idaho and gave a decent, albeit sarcastic, rendition of a speech that was not only written FOR her, but was admitted to have been written before choosing her and had to be changed due to her gender. I’m not saying she’s stupid, but there is nothing to indicate great intelligence. All indications point to a very ambitious, driven person with decent public speaking skills. Also, with all the falsehoods which have been proven to be contained in that speech, there is also reason to believe she is a good liar.
By DeBúrca obj on 09/07/2008 4:02 pm