By staying in the race, are the Democratic candidates inadvertently sabotaging their party’s chances of winning the election? This weekend, Howard Dean called on Clinton or Obama to drop out of the race for the candidacy by June. "Either of these candidates, if it’s time for them to go, they’ll know it and they will go," Dean said, according to the Associated Press. But will they? Should they? And if so, should they wait until the Puerto Rico primary or should the move be made now?
They clearly are jeopardizing their chances of winning the general election by going round after round jabbing at each other like two tired boxers. While it’s not clear how she could win the nomination no matter what happens in the primaries, Hillary will hang in hoping for a miracle. So there is little chance that she will leave the race until Puerto Rico or until a majority of super delegates endorses Obama, which is unlikely before the last primary. I think we’re stuck with this nightmarish “Groundhog Day” experience.
Frank Peterson - 4/29/2008 12:10 AM
Joan; I’m with you on this. Unless Clinton and Obama reach a common ground they might just as well throw in the towel. All they are doing in tearing one another apart and polarizing the voters. I do wish the hell they’d get together, but I don’t see that happening very soon—more’s the pity.
Michael Salling - 4/29/2008 6:00 AM
Frank, you are making a mistake letting Joan lead you down the path on this. Those are the Beltway Boy’s favorite talking points. Ground Hog Day was a great movie. I’ve watched it many times and each time I like it better. See below.
Michael Salling - 4/29/2008 7:09 AM
As much as I I’m attracted to her and admire her adversarial skill, I’ve never quite been able to bring myself to trust her 100%. She looks a little too much like …
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Auralay ushbay.
Frank Peterson - 4/29/2008 8:26 AM
Michael—when it comes to republicans I never ever make a mistake. Ditto the belway “boys’
Star Lawrence - 4/29/2008 9:55 AM
Even in that movie, each day is a little different.
Michael Salling - 4/29/2008 5:39 PM
that pix great, star, is it you? looks like a movie star I once saw on he silver screen long ago (it was a talkie)
Dr. Mark Klein - 4/29/2008 9:59 AM
This is nothing to get excited about. The White House is any Democratic candidate’s race to lose. My suspicion McCain has very early Altzheimers is now getting picked up by the mainstream press as they listen more carefully to him.
I’m a conservative Republican who prefers Obama but if I had to holding my nose I’d vote for Clinton.
Diana T - 4/29/2008 11:46 AM
Gosh, I’d never had known you were a conservative Republican by the way you write.
Actually, McCain’s facial melanoma gives me concern because of the rate of recurrence with these things.
Michael Salling - 4/29/2008 7:37 PM
I think you’re gonna need those nose plugs, doc. A light came on when you made the alzheimer’s statement. My father’s 4 older siblings and his parents all died of it were seriously impaired when they died. Dad died in an auto accident at age 67. I’m recalling that incredible failure to “recall” the difference the Sunni’s and Shia (he called al-quida shia) comes to mind. Did you see his speech this morning on C-span? He had that deer in the headlights look i’ve seen on the faces of a number of alzheimers sufferers. I feel they feel at a loss and quite foolish and sheepish and in the early stages are paralyzed by that as much as anything else. They are so horrified by the fact they can’t recall as they used to, it’s impossible for them to “live in the moment.” in another situation, they may function quite well.
Do you think this has any validity. I’m so freaked out by this problem with “uncle Al” as we call it, I’m afraid to have any testing done. I’m just hoping my mother’s sturdy Irish genes will pull me through. It’s one of the main reasons I’m a supporter of Euthanasia — assisted suicide as it exists in Oregon is useless for folks like my ancestors.
Diana T - 4/29/2008 11:44 AM
Too much attention is spent of their competition. So much ammunition for the Republicans when the campaigns heat up this fall.
The Dems had best be concentrating their efforts on defeating the GOP instead of all this in-fighting.
Eileen Tanne - 4/29/2008 2:00 PM
Joan,
I think one of the candidates should ‘throw in the towel’ but not right now. If Hillary loses N Carolina and Indiana, she should drop out for the sake of the Democratic Party. If she wins both Indiana and N Carolina, no way as Barack will have totally lost the momentum. Final primaries June 6th should bring all Super Delegates out of the political closet and announce their choices. Then it’s a done deal! Five months till election is plenty of time for the Dems to come together.
mary lou s - 4/29/2008 2:05 PM
eileen, if obama becomes the nominee, he is going to need to learn how to relate to blue collar voters (as in indiana). hillary is either giving him this training or staying viable in case he never learns. either way, we need her in the race.
Dan H. - 4/30/2008 12:12 AM
Aren’t all the blue collar workers now in China, India or Mexico? Aren’t the white collar workers going to follow them? China says it’s going to stop importing white collar workers since it graduates 300,000 engineers to 75,000 each year in the United States.
I thought it was older women who were Obama’s problem, and an elderly lady friend says she doesn’t understand what their attraction to Clinton is. Does anyone here understand it; that is, having heard it from an elderly friend or grandmother or something like that?
My Alias - 4/29/2008 10:48 PM
I suspect it’s only a “Groundhog Day” experience for those who’ve already voted. The rest wait for their chance at the trough.
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They clearly are jeopardizing their chances of winning the general election by going round after round jabbing at each other like two tired boxers. While it’s not clear how she could win the nomination no matter what happens in the primaries, Hillary will hang in hoping for a miracle. So there is little chance that she will leave the race until Puerto Rico or until a majority of super delegates endorses Obama, which is unlikely before the last primary. I think we’re stuck with this nightmarish “Groundhog Day” experience.
Joan; I’m with you on this. Unless Clinton and Obama reach a common ground they might just as well throw in the towel. All they are doing in tearing one another apart and polarizing the voters. I do wish the hell they’d get together, but I don’t see that happening very soon—more’s the pity.
Frank, you are making a mistake letting Joan lead you down the path on this. Those are the Beltway Boy’s favorite talking points. Ground Hog Day was a great movie. I’ve watched it many times and each time I like it better. See below.
As much as I I’m attracted to her and admire her adversarial skill, I’ve never quite been able to bring myself to trust her 100%. She looks a little too much like …
Scroll Down …
Auralay ushbay.
Michael—when it comes to republicans I never ever make a mistake. Ditto the belway “boys’
Even in that movie, each day is a little different.
that pix great, star, is it you? looks like a movie star I once saw on he silver screen long ago (it was a talkie)
This is nothing to get excited about. The White House is any Democratic candidate’s race to lose. My suspicion McCain has very early Altzheimers is now getting picked up by the mainstream press as they listen more carefully to him.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/04/neoconserva…
I’m a conservative Republican who prefers Obama but if I had to holding my nose I’d vote for Clinton.
Gosh, I’d never had known you were a conservative Republican by the way you write.
Actually, McCain’s facial melanoma gives me concern because of the rate of recurrence with these things.
I think you’re gonna need those nose plugs, doc. A light came on when you made the alzheimer’s statement. My father’s 4 older siblings and his parents all died of it were seriously impaired when they died. Dad died in an auto accident at age 67. I’m recalling that incredible failure to “recall” the difference the Sunni’s and Shia (he called al-quida shia) comes to mind. Did you see his speech this morning on C-span? He had that deer in the headlights look i’ve seen on the faces of a number of alzheimers sufferers. I feel they feel at a loss and quite foolish and sheepish and in the early stages are paralyzed by that as much as anything else. They are so horrified by the fact they can’t recall as they used to, it’s impossible for them to “live in the moment.” in another situation, they may function quite well.
Do you think this has any validity. I’m so freaked out by this problem with “uncle Al” as we call it, I’m afraid to have any testing done. I’m just hoping my mother’s sturdy Irish genes will pull me through. It’s one of the main reasons I’m a supporter of Euthanasia — assisted suicide as it exists in Oregon is useless for folks like my ancestors.
Too much attention is spent of their competition. So much ammunition for the Republicans when the campaigns heat up this fall.
The Dems had best be concentrating their efforts on defeating the GOP instead of all this in-fighting.
Joan,
I think one of the candidates should ‘throw in the towel’ but not right now. If Hillary loses N Carolina and Indiana, she should drop out for the sake of the Democratic Party. If she wins both Indiana and N Carolina, no way as Barack will have totally lost the momentum. Final primaries June 6th should bring all Super Delegates out of the political closet and announce their choices. Then it’s a done deal! Five months till election is plenty of time for the Dems to come together.
eileen, if obama becomes the nominee, he is going to need to learn how to relate to blue collar voters (as in indiana). hillary is either giving him this training or staying viable in case he never learns. either way, we need her in the race.
Aren’t all the blue collar workers now in China, India or Mexico? Aren’t the white collar workers going to follow them? China says it’s going to stop importing white collar workers since it graduates 300,000 engineers to 75,000 each year in the United States.
I thought it was older women who were Obama’s problem, and an elderly lady friend says she doesn’t understand what their attraction to Clinton is. Does anyone here understand it; that is, having heard it from an elderly friend or grandmother or something like that?
I suspect it’s only a “Groundhog Day” experience for those who’ve already voted. The rest wait for their chance at the trough.