03/09/2010 12:00 am

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Brenda Feigen: Second-Class All the Way

Notes from a worn-down but still hopeful civil rights lawyer ...

Editor’s Note: Brenda Feigen is counsel to Kenoff & Machtinger, LLP, where she practices anti-discrimination and entertainment law. A graduate of Harvard Law School, she co-founded Ms. Magazine with Gloria Steinem and directed with (now Justice) Ruth Bader Ginsburg the Women’s Rights Project of the ACLU. Her memoir, Not One of the Boys: Living Life as a Feminist, was published by Alfred A. Knopf in 2000. She moved from Manhattan to Los Angeles to produce her first feature film and currently lives there with Joanne Parrent, her longtime partner and spouse. 

So here I am again full of thoughts and what many might call angst. The federal district court in San Francisco is about to rule on whether the heinous Prop 8 (preventing gays and lesbians from marrying in California) violates the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Of course it does, and I’m certain the judge will agree. Then the bad guys, the ones who funded Prop 8 in the first place and bussed themselves into California, a state in which very few of them had any justifiable reason to visit, will appeal to the 9th Circuit that covers a bunch of states, including not just California, but Hawaii, Nevada, etc. My bet is that it will uphold the ruling of the lower court. The real question is whether either or both of those courts will stay their decisions until the case has run the full appeal gauntlet. Whoever loses will appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. I was originally more optimistic about what it would do but after visiting in her chambers with my old friend, Justice Ruth, I worry. Of course, she didn’t say what they’d do but she did say something like "it will be a long time, Brenda," after I’d told her how sick I was of always being some sort of second-class citizen (Jew in anti-Semitic near north side of Chicago), woman at Harvard Law School in the ’60s and now in a marriage that is painfully second-class. Joanne and I got married on July 4, 2008. Joanne and I are treated like a straight married couple in California but not by the federal government. When one of us dies, the other won’t get the social security that any widow or widower would get out of a straight marriage; we can’t transfer more than $14,000 per year of property to each other without incurring a gift tax, etc. As I said last time, I’m just positively delighted that two big straight male lawyers are fighting hard on our side, but they can only do so much. The groups that are supposedly so concerned about equality truly let us all down by going the route of fighting the initiative at the ballot box. I don’t want my (minority) rights to be determined by the (tyranny of the) majority of uninformed voters.

DOMA ("Defense of Marriage Act") is still alive and kicking, though it’s being challenged in federal court in Massachusetts. That’s the law that says it’s OK for a state not to recognize same-sex marriages performed outside that particular state and, even worse, that the U.S. government will not recognize same-sex marriage. I have no clue whose marriages are being defended by that law. Despite it being a clear violation of both the equal protection and the full faith and credit clauses of the U.S. Constitution, it remains law, put into effect by Bill Clinton, who thought he was making some sort of compromise with the devil. Of course, Obama has done nothing. In fact, he’s said that he opposes same-sex marriage, though in some twisted mental hijink, he’s also declared his opposition to Prop 8. The DOMA challenge will eventually hit the Supreme Court; again I have no idea if they’ll take that case, leaving total uncertainty about the effect of the lower federal courts’ decisions in that circuit.

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themascura
I agree completely with your point of view, and I can promise that I would watch this movie when/if it comes out. The only condolence I can offer you is that the coming generation is much more accepting of homosexuality than our predecessors (aside for the lamentable use of the word "gay" as a bad thing). If it isn’t repealed now, I hope it will be when the next generation is in power.
By themascura on 03/09/2010 1:29 am
Brenda Feigen
I hate to keep on saying this, but I don’t want to wait for the next generation to reap the rewards.  That means we keep on being screwed for the benefit of kids who, inevitably, won’t really appreciate our efforts.
By Brenda Feigen on 03/09/2010 7:17 pm
BelindaJoy

This is such a complex conversation.

On one hand it seems a no-brainer, Gays and Lesbians should be afforded the same rights as straight Americans. Yet on the other hand as a Christian nation (I know it’s not politically correct to say that, but it is a widely recognized truth) most Americans will say in the light of day they support Gay and Lesbians rights, but in private and especially in voting booths, they don’t. To do so means on some level they are condoning behavior that runs counter to what some believe the Bible teaches.

A man should be allowed to love another man, and a woman another woman. Period. I’ve said this before, I don’t understand how any woman would prefer another woman over a man, they are afterall so…..yummy. However its not about what I like and don’t like. It’s about what is fair and just.

Here’s hoping you get the recognition you deserve Brenda from Hollywood and are able to have your movie project produced. I for one would pay to see it.

By BelindaJoy on 03/09/2010 5:30 am
Brenda Feigen
Thanks much, Belinda.  I just have to add that I don’t recognize this as a Christian nation.  This country was founded on the principle that church and state had to be absolutely separate.
By Brenda Feigen on 03/09/2010 7:19 pm
BelindaJoy

Really? You honestly don’t see our country as Christian based?

The nation was also founded on the belief that "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."  Pull out any dollar bill and you will find In God We Trust emblazoned across it.

The First Amendment may speak to separation of church and state, however the last statistics I read indicate that almost 80% of Americans identify themselves as Christian. When Barack Obama and Mick Romney were running for President they received an overwhelming amount of flack because of their (perceived) religions. To this day millions of people have an issue with President Obama because they believe he is a Muslim. Millions of people don’t want to see you and your partner married because it runs counter to their Christian beliefs and values.

So intellectually you and I know that our country was founded on the principle of a separation of church and state. However, you are old enough to recognize that has never been the case. Politicians vote in line of their religious beliefs. People vote (partly) on the religion of the candidate. We are a nation that has blurred the line between church and state and it doesn’t appear the line is clarifying as time goes by. If anything it is becoming more blurred. Especially with fringe groups like the Tea Party who use religion as justification to be against those that are unlike themselves. 

By BelindaJoy on 03/09/2010 9:14 pm
Brenda Feigen
No.  I don’t see our country as "Christian-based".  I abhor the blurring of the line between church and state and think that more bad has been done in the name of religion than good.  Maybe it’s because I was born Jewish.  Maybe it’s because I’m an atheist, but it doesn’t matter: This country was founded by people who were trying to get out from under the Church of England.  Now, we’ve got all sorts of crazy religions.  And, by the way, the Catholics I know don’t even call themselves Christian.  Anyway, the point is that we are a secular nation and live by secular laws made by people.  I am on the side of getting rid of all religious symbols in public places, including the dollar bill.  I guess your argument would allow me to blame Christians for the second-class status of gays and lesbians.  Yes, there are Christians in that crowd as well as orthodox Jews, Muslims, etc., etc.
By Brenda Feigen on 03/09/2010 9:43 pm
BelindaJoy

I’d love to live in your Country. Where is this "secular" United States of America you speak of?

The next time there is a vote on the ballots anywhere in America to legalize Gay marriage and it fails on the outcry of the community speaking to it being "against their Christian beliefs" - think of me so you can remind me again how we are a secular nation.

As a self defined Atheist, I wouldn’t expect you to acknowledge that there are more Christians in America than any other religion.  And I take personal offense to your comment that more "bad has been done in the name of religion than good" I have the freedoms I enjoy today to a great part because of the actions of Christians and Jews who marched (and in some instances) gave their lives during the civil rights movement in the 60’s and 70’s.

By BelindaJoy on 03/09/2010 10:06 pm
Brenda Feigen
More WARS have been fought in the name of religion than anything else.  That’s what I meant, but, if pressed, I could come up with a bunch of other stuff, too.
By Brenda Feigen on 03/09/2010 10:15 pm
MaryMiller6
Interesting article and complex issue for many.  Religion is a strange concept realy if you think about it.  Because of my Amish background ( which is more cultural than strictly religious) I did a lot of searching and study of religion.  Mainly the pricipal of "christianity " in America was not such a huge issue until the William Penn land grant.  That is when many religious zeolots and objectors of European rule realy brought many controversial religions and invented many to this country.  Separatist who developed their own communal religions and colonies because they could.  True , Puritanical Pilgrims were some of the founding fathers, but the splits in many churches occured here in this country near the very beginning.  That is why there are so many "Christian " branches in every church.  It gets rather confusing but the bottom line was that at that time the splits were for land and land ownership based reasons and the leadership of many of those religious sects had bizarre practices that encouraged tight restrictions and secrecy of what was realy going on.  Lots of those groups died out but as they died out the participants took some of those ideas to mainstream churches and history tells of the superiority those individuals harvested and generations later embrace today.  Here in the midwest "bible " belt those issues are very evident in how people are treated on a every day basis.  In many cases those issues are totally against any teachings of Christ but are convienent to negate peoples personal issues with what they think is right and what in reality is wrong.  It is the basic reason why I personally cannot belong to any group here.  For me, I am heterosexual, but that does not mean that I am to judge what others believe or practice.  Happiness is happiness and no laws made by man should rule that happiness.  I have been with too many dying AIDS victims that were gay and lesbians to know the difference between love and how that extends to life itself.  I do believe in Christianity, but on a personal level because I believe in my spiritual and personal relationship with God and the son of God.  I don’t believe that anyone is a second class citizen nor should be treated as such.  So keep fighting and enlightening the world.
By MaryMiller6 on 04/07/2010 8:54 am
Brenda Feigen
Thank you for this unique perspective, Mary.  It seems most of us agree that the church, any church, has no business determining who among us has the right to marry. 
By Brenda Feigen on 04/07/2010 3:01 pm
RitaGoldivas
80% is too high, it’s more like 76%, with 4% other (Jewish, Bhuddist, etc.), and 15% no religious affiliation. But the % of self-identified Christians is declining, partly in response to the polarizing effect of the vocal minority if fundamentalists. Many Christians might choose to vote according to their religious preferences, but not all. I think we’re getting away from that. And rightly so.
By RitaGoldivas on 03/10/2010 9:03 pm
BelindaJoy

I will agree with you Rita about one thing, more and more people are losing their faith in God or a higher being and choosing to be Atheists and non-believers which concerns me. I don’t want to live in a country where the majority of people are Atheists. That thought scares me to death. Unlike the author of this article we are blogging about, I find great value in religion. I may not want to affiliate myself with a specific religion and prefer spirituality instead, but that does not dismiss the value churches and synagogues provide to millions of people.

And I didn’t say all Christians choose to vote according to their religious preferences, I recognize that and know that to be true. I’m Christian and I don’t vote based on my spiritual beliefs.

By BelindaJoy on 03/10/2010 9:56 pm
RitaGoldivas
I’m an atheist, why are you scared of me?
By RitaGoldivas on 03/10/2010 10:10 pm
BelindaJoy
Because one of the joys of being a Christian and a spiritual person is fellowship. I love being around people who worship God and/or a higher being. I love having deep discussions about the universe and joining in prayer with others. I don’t want to live in a nation filled with people like yourself who don’t understand, appreciate or participate in prayer and worshiping to a higher power.
By BelindaJoy on 03/10/2010 10:52 pm
LisaHamner
I wish that were so.  If I hear another politician say the words "I believe in Domestic Partnership for gay people, but the Bible strictly states that marriage is a union between a man and a woman…" I will surely go mad.  The church has its tentacles wrapped around issues that should not be decided on a pulpit.  I feel that marriage should be a union between two adult individuals, that anyone not a part of that union has no business weighing in on the morality of that union, and that this is a basic issue of civil rights, plain and simple.  Had we put the issue of interracial marriage to a ballot, we might be a very different nation than the one who benefited from the decision of the Supreme Court in the 1960’s.
By LisaHamner on 03/10/2010 11:38 pm