Who profits from all this since we are now a global economy, driven by science and commerce? If it was to turn out to be false, who would benefit from inciting the outcry? She, that is
Mom, who’s 50 million years young, will outlast us. All we are
doing is making her sick. When we all die off due to our own
stupidity, she’ll be right as rain.
Lyall Watson, a British biologist, wrote a fascinating book “Heaven’s Breath: A History Of Wind”. It deals with climate change over millions of years. Climates have changed for no apparent reason since the beginning of time and wiped out species and civilizations. During Roman times, Britain was warmer than it is today. The Dark Ages were called that, because for 400 years Europe was cold and dark. Nobody knows why. Watson puts forth the theory it might have something to do with passing comets and how they impact our electro-magnetic field. That being said, there’s no reason to pollute and poison ourselves, but we might be helpless against climate change.
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I have yet to see any scientific data that proves global warming exists. At the same time, if anything can force homo sapiens to respect the earth, flora, fauna, and seas I’ll support it. We’re tragically wasteful, filty people — every where, and we don’t respect one another without laws to force us into complaince. In England, it was verboten to plant or build anything that obstructed a neighbor’s view of the sky. I’ve thought of that many times since a neighbor thoughtlessly plopped a covered trampoline in his front yard — of course, it wasn’t tied down, eithe — and it took sail during high winds destroying my plants, and part of my home — yet he can get away with it in our free country — no deed restrictions here against it in this part of TEXAS. Sheesh. I have to say, I felt very much in the minority about global warming, but still stuck to my respect for the scientific research model, viewing all sides of the gem (all facets), until I heard Michael Crichton’s interview on Rose’s show — his latest book, NEXT, is excellent, and aas a friend of VP Gore, he doesn’t accept it yet, either, in totality, without the data. I’m all for caring for our air, waters, and earth because its the right thing to do — so the next step should be …
…talking about what we can do to leave less behind and respect our planet more. Let’s start with not idling our engines at railroad crossings, long lights and to keep cool in the parking lot. Let’s start with reducing plastic usage. Let’s start by walking and riding bikes for short distances. Let’s start by educating ourselves and by inspiring others to make better choices.
Does anyone else think twice when asked, “Plastic or paper bags?” Everytime I hear that, I think, the plastic bags are already made, the paper has roach eggs in the glue, and the trees have already been destroyed - I don’t want roaches, and …” On and on my eco-concerned mind wanders off in the check-out line. I’ve brought my home up to R-82, cutting my utilities by 50%, use gray-water to water plants, trees, and bulbs, reduced my driving by 50% and drive more slowly with less whoain’ and more steady goin,’ use much more waxed paper than anything else, cook greater amounts to freeze other meals, recycle via Free-Cycle.com, unplug everything at night, and when I leave for more than 12 hours, change blower motor filter when the electric bill comes in each month - out of habit; my home and gardens outdoors are all xeric and organic, and I practice no-till gardening with ease, save everything possible to use in the garden as decorative items, or ‘assists,’ and many more practices I’ve maintained since “The Whole Earth Catalog” alerted me to our earth’s demise. At the same time, I have to wonder why municipalities don’t ‘under-write” eco-wise changes - one of my pet peeves is sloped driveways that facilitate water run-off into the sewers during a rain, or haphazard “watering.” A minute speed-bump would direct the water back onto the turf or garden for very little investment. I have a slew (no pun int. again) of those ideas/gripes in my head but no one listens to me (governments). If a tree falling in the forest …?
I think global warming is real. But so was the Ice Age and weather like everything else tends to go in cycles. Humans contribute more than they should but not enough to say that we are the mojor cause.
Mugsy, that is indeed the crux of the problem. What is the periodicity of these oft-mentioned natural cycles? The Milankovich cycles are periodic, but are about 100,000 years long. The last ice age was about 15,000 years ago. There is a pseudo cycle about 1500 years long inferred from ice core samples. If one thinks about how much human civilization has advanced technologically in the last 1500 years, about how extensively we have manipulated and altered our surroundings to an unprecedented degree on an unprecedented scale - the planet has never been similarly affected by any of its past inhabitants in any previous cycles. Why is it so difficult to accept the possibility that our ever burgeoning mass of humanity is changing the state of our planet? And what is the downside of recognizing this possibility if it results in our being more responsible in our use of resources? Oh yes, I forgot about the inertia of industry. It’s just easier and less expensive in the short term to keep on going on. Much easier than getting some bright people to creatively solve some important and difficult problems or getting people to accept that we should want less. Much easier than retooling factories or choosing not to aim for a monster house in the suburb with two SUVs in the garage.
While I “believe” in global warming, I must admit to fearing that it’s a moot point. I think there’s a greater likelihood that human civilization will self-destruct by nuclear means than global warming. We are only a few decades into the nuclear age, and only a few years into black market nuclear proliferation. How vigilant and clever will we have to be to avoid the use of nuclear weapons in the future? How vigilant and clever will we have to be to avoid escalation that leads to irreversible and irrecoverable destruction of human civilization? Can we really be that clever and vigilant, and for how long?
I am replying to Sheila Nevins, talking about Polar Bears, they evolved from Brown Grizzly Bears during an Ice Age period… to become Polar Bears. Also I was told by many, many doctors that nothing was wrong with my son for 10 years…. guess what they were wrong he has Tourette Syndrome so things are more complex. Taking care of our Planet is what we should do but can we change what is coming our way. I don’t think so…. just make adjustments to keep on living.
Peggy took the words right out of my mouth. You can “feel” anything. The question is whether it’s true or not. This is how I understand it:
1. The coming global warming was arrived at using outdated computer info. Current data suggests just the opposite.
2. Some scientists have a vested interest in keeping the myth alive. (Reputation, etc.) How could you admit you were wrong after stating with such certainty that you were right.
3. Instead of saying “the debate is over”, why don’t we have honest debates with scientists from both sides presenting their evidence. Saying the debate is over is saying “we’re right, you’re wrong, we don’t want to hear anything more about it. ”
4. “If you don’t believe in global warming you must be a polluter.” I don’t think the majority of us on either side go around tossing our trash from moving vehicles. We all want to live in a clean environment.
Prove to me that global warming exists. I don’t pretend to know it all, and I’m always willing to learn something new. If the evidence is there, then I’ll believe it. But just to tell me it’s there, and I should believe it because you told me so, or you alarmed me with photos of the earth dying, to me is just a bunch of hooey. If anyone ever tells you the debate is over on anything, you should run the other way — fast.
If we look at the earth 10,000 years ago when a significant potion of Europe and North America were under thousands of feet of ice it’s impossible to deny global warming. This is part of a cycle that takes thousands of years. The question really is what effect our current behavior is going to have on this cycle. I believe that today’s science can not predict what our weather would be in 100 years (or even 100 days) with or without our unrestrained release of green house gases.
I believe it’s irresponsible not to consider what effect we are having. I think we would be totally blind not to believe that our planet has got a lot in store for us that we can’t predict or control. Would it be a blow to our sense of importance to realize that if we removed every human from the face of the earth today, 500 years from now there would be no more evidence of our existence than there is of dinosaurs.
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