Beth,
I have to tell you, I come back to this and reread it and even know what is coming at then end, but I laugh as hard as I did the first time. Thanks for that
Julia Reed needs to get real… Regardless of what Senator Clinton request, I have a mind of my own. Obama hasn’t won me over yet. I have nothing but love and respect for Senator Clinton… I think that is all she needs to support her next step.
I am not sure if people have noticed, but right now on CSPAN the House clerk is reading the resolution of impeachment [35 counts!] against Bush and Cheney introduced by Kucinich yesterday. A vote could come tomorrow. That is something that could keep Senators Clinton and Obama busy if that passes the House. http://www.cspan.org/pdf/bush_impeach.pdf [You have to enlarge it to read it, if you want to read it, using the zoom tools.]
It is a horrendous litany of misdeeds, but it is, I think, worth reading. I am sorry that the mainstream media appears to be ignoring the story about this impeachment resolution. Even if the impeachment resolution does not get enough votes, the actual list of high crimes and misdemeanors is amazing, and some things I had never heard. One ground is that the President violated international law by imprisoning more than 2500 children in Iraq.
The crimes against humanity that man—I hesitate to call him such, are horrendous. The list is endless as is the horror the administration has wrought. Equivalent to anything Saddam did—The Iraqis were better off with him that with us. If the Lancet , the Brit medical journal is to be believed, more that 1 million Iraqis have lost their live in the misbegotten war. Frankly impeachment is to good for them. Thank you Elizabeth for all the information and the sites.
Frank
I know I am going to get jumped on left and right by this, well maybe only left. John Burns who was the Bureau Chief for the NY Times who was over there for 4-5 years, his wife is still there, did research on those numbers and they don’t come up with that. The majority of those deaths were insurgents killing civilians, Iranians backing groups to kill other groups, homicide bombers, Iranians killing Americans, Syrians coming in to kill. That is not to say that it wasn’t a terrible decision, with horrible consequences. I knew my son would be there. But I will tell you this, many want them to go, but most want us to stay.
Believe me, I don’t want them to stay. The Iraqis need to pick it up from here, and they are. The Sons of Iraq with several offshoots, are turning AQ in all the time. They want their country back. I heard Burns in an interview the other day, he said you used to be able to set your watch with the timed homicide bombs going off, now his wife told him it hardly ever happens. Men come up constantly and thank the soldiers for what they do. Not all of course, but enough. Some tell them it was terrible and hard, but it is better than living under Sadam Hussein. I saw an interview with some young Iraqi men and one was very angry at the US because we hadn’t come sooner, and so many children had died under the Oil For Food program by the United Nations. They never got the food.
I never wanted them to go in. I knew the bombing would tear that place apart, just like we bombed the hell out of Bosnia, and killed there as well. That war was sold differently. We saw the pictures of all the caged and starving muslims and heard the terrible stories of the rape and torture of women and girls. All wars are sold to us. Congress voted on this war. If they didn’t want it, they should have done more research on their own. Seems like they didn’t. Senator Kennedy voted against it because he didn’t want our troops exposed to the WMDs. So he must have believed they were there. This is on all of their conscious’. It is easy to always blame.
Probably so. But sometimes, and I think this is one of them, who wins or loses the skirmish may not be the point. The articles of impeachment almost sound like an indictment for war crimes. I think that it may take a bit of time, as it did after the U.S. attorneys were fired, for people to start getting the information and sharing it and demanding that something be done. Maybe I am wrong; we will see. But I was right about the U.S. attorneys. When they were fired I told a friend, that is going to be the end of Gonzales.
Ms. Bennett,
Man O Man did you say it all or what?!
Ok, let me get this right …. a president gets impeached because he likes his cigars seasoned and fibbed about it and we all watched with eager anticipation of getting viewing of the stain and the woman in the hat …. but we don’t care or give a rats booty about oh, I don’t know ….. dead children in Iraq and in the USA (mothers sons and daughters) and we are not to care about fibs about WMD and murder?
You know what, I am going to have to leave this planet and come back as an activist for political change in my next life and perhaps make a god damned difference.
No, maybe I won’t leave just yet … maybe I will scream the loudest to get this man GWB thrown in the joint.
Who do I contact to have this GWB brought up on charges of treason and what not?
GREATPOST
Elizabeth,
I think another part of the problem is that then the democrats come into question, and they don’t want that. There are enough records to manipulate this by either side. Also, all the secret Iraqi documents that were discovered and seized during the war will come to light, and the documents may have a lot of info that they don’t want other countries in the middle east to know we have. So congress may have more reasons than we know not to vote for impeachment.
Those documents were only briefly talked about when they began to discover them. I don’t know if they have been declassified or not. I don’t want anything else to embolden terrorists to hurt and kill civilians and our soldiers.
One of the top generals in Viet Nam, said he and the other generals were ready to surrender 4 times. One time was after the Tet Offensive. They kept their attention on our political scene and waited. When they got wind that congress was thinking about pulling out, they hung on until congress voted. Consequently, and I know this is not new information, the Khmer Rouge were emboldened by the US’s withdrawal, they committed murder on more than a million Cambodians. The Killing Fields.
When the US Attorney firing came up, as is always the case in Washington, someone gets fired.
Lily
Boy you said it. The whole thing was - well we all know.
I think the media is in bed with govt officials. They have to get sources and info - it is worse to be out scooped than to be wrong, so they cozy up with too many people on the inside to keep the info flowing, and they are too friendly and therefore don’t expose certain things because they don’t want to lose their source. And if you don’t play the game, you don’t always get the story. They create stories to keep stories going. Of course this is a broad generalization, but everyone does it.
One of my favorite shows is Meet The Press. I was such a big fan of Tim Russerts, still am but not as much. I had just been reading an article that someone emailed me - he used quotes from that article on his show that morning and had left certain passages out that really changed the content. I had always trusted him, seemed pretty genuine, and he is, but he wanted to make a point and he used what he wanted. It is things like that which turned me into an Independent. I like a studied understanding. I am more conservative than most on this site, but I like to understand and learn more.
Addendum
I just heard that Tim Russert Died of a heart attack. I thought of those words I typed and felt sorry. I know my words are nothing next to Mr. Russert’s life and his contributions. My heart aches for his family. Blessings on all of them. He will be sadly and sorely missed.
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