I am not impressed.

YIKES! I read only page 1 of “What do men not know about women?” and it’s off to how the U.S. economy & the family were brought down by Feminism! Dear Lord!, save us all! If I only had a dollar each time I heard a man say this. Women didn’t suffer this lack of respect in WWII… When our men went off to fight WWII, the women sacrificed their homelives as they knew it for our nation, took the place of our men in factories, and were the backbone of a nation coming together to end that which was against freedom and humanity; no one can take that away from our American women. Nor the women of Europe who fought with machine guns in hand and saved many of the victimized. Eleanor Roosevelt was considered a true civil leader as much as our President. At war’s end woman had to go back to kitchens, their homelives, and husbands, and give the jobs back to the men who returned. Woman can and has offered much to this world, & will continue to do so. But for God’s sake, don’t name 2 women of recent years, and play judge and jury for Woman’s accomplishments….even worse for our economy’s demise. I guess I’m off on a tangent, too…perhaps there is no answer to the question… I remind you, Dr Klein, that this woman’s website was begun by very able, intelligent and wise women… I hope that as a member you can learn from them…maybe? Let us be open, please, instead of faulting women for the world’s end…

Gosh, are you guys still talking about Dr Mark Klein? I get kind of a kick out of him! I think I’ll be copy-and-pasting a few of his comments here onto some of his many other internet appearances. Just stir up the pot a little, you know. I think these questions have been dumb, so far, but I think the website is still feeling its way. To the web editors: need a better way for us to interconnect than endless comments pages.

I agree with Moran Moraine!!!!!! I’m runnin’ outta steam on this website and fillin’ up with guilt at the waste of time gettin’ from one place to another in a reasonable amount of time. I notice some women I enjoyed their points of view are all gone and they were gung ho at first, and sharpies at that.

What women don’t know about men- that a lot of them really only tolerate women, because they have never learned to love them - and substitute passion, which is bound to wane. But I was raised with a tradition of strong women- pre-feminists - who knew how to make their way through the world by themselves, if need be. And they did. They married for love, not for money, and I believed that these remarkable women were the norm, until I got out into the world. Alas, I was disappointed to see what I did. Think of “The Rules;” all the old stuff still is being applied. Unloving mothers produce unloving sons who produce unloved wives and turn to unloved mistresses. Watch Fellini - he’s fairly honest about that aspect of the male culture in Italy.

Here’s my first post: Hello everyone! My opinion….. Lose the judgement. It only keeps the argument in this thread going. I’m surprised a Dr. of psychiatry doesn’t propose that. But, I’ve read enough. I’m finished with this thread because it has digressed to name calling, etc. People in this country are entitled to their opinions. All I can say about that is Dr. Klein and any of us in here are manifesting the life we chose by the the thoughts we put out there. Call it Karma. Call it “The Secret”. I don’t care what you call it. It is happening whether you are aware of it or not. Therefore, I propose we allow those who wish to vibrate at such a low energy do so, while the rest of us have a discussion about What Men Don’t Know About Women. Here’s the only thing I think men should REALLY take note of: When a women becomes a certain maturity, usually upon her mid-30s, she steps back and takes an inventory of her life. The things that are not working have to go. She knows this because if they don’t, she sees it as a life-threatening state to her soul and being. Sometimes that means the man in her life has to go. If he believes because he’s been married to her for several years, or they have kids, or financial reasons will keep her with him and therefore he can behave in a manner unbecoming towards her (ie: burping, farting, lying on the couch, calling her names, demeaning her, etc.) well, he’s got another thing coming. Men, you should know that she has left the relationship with you much sooner than she tells you. She has left it emotionally. And, when that happens, it is too late. But, there is something men can do to keep this from happening. LISTEN. PAY ATTENTION. BE PRESENT in the relationship. That means being present in the moment. She will take notice. As Forrest Gump would say, “…and that’s all I have to say about that.” Thank you!

IRIS, thank you and hello! Long time no see.

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That when we trust our instincts, we can read their minds and that scares the hell out of them. A dear French girlfriend once told me that the difference between French and American women were that the French women let the men think they are in control. I agree with Liz, that most men see being sensitive to a women as weak in the eyes of their peers…while to us, they finally are aware and understand us. And, yes, that in itself becomes a strong aphrodisiac. Those men that truly know themselves, know this and aren’t afraid of being vulnerable. Little do men realize that at times they mirror image our fears. Thank goodness, that with age and experience, I can finally acknowledge, recognize and communicate to a man…without anger, without seeming in competition, without nonsense … who I am, without wasting precious time anymore. And if a man doesn’t get it, or understand me…bye,bye. Life is simply too short. I work hard and I play hard with no apologies anymore.

Is this question worth considering: Is there more mutual respect or mutual disrespect in the lengthy discussion of this topic? And why?