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Frances: “That if he really wants sex that night, start being nice in the morning. Be appreciative with a little sweet talk, and remind her why you fell in love with her. It goes a long way. It is the beginning of foreplay.”
Your attitude is why Craig’s List Exotic Services has become so popular.
He is not hard of hearing. He is not listening at all.
He is getting, exactly what he wants. Attention. It makes no difference what kind of attention. Except he obviously prefers negative attention. There is a lot of energy in it.
And he is getting it.
He even gets talked about, when isn’t here.
So let’s stop examining him and examine ourselves, an infinitely more interesting endeavor.
The founding mothers will not and should take care of this. This is for us to do for ourselves.
Are we going to continually be baited by such old and tired rhetoric? We must be enjoying the game or we wouldn’t be playing.
The only thing that gets rid of a troll, is starvation. Keep reacting to the troll and you feed the troll his favorite meal.
What is the point of giving it attention and then asking someone else to take of a problem, that we are making bigger with every response. He only wants to get a rise out of us; to be in our thoughts and on our keyboards. To engage with us. It makes him feel powerful, important and validates every negative attitude he has.
He is not doing this on his own. The ‘anthropology’ line along with all the other lines, are written and dealt from a misogynist woman-hating group who send out their minions to do just what he is doing.
So give him time on our keyboards and in our minds and we give him exactly what he wants. We cannot control him. There are thousands of him. We can however, control ourselves.
Stop talking about and to him. Ignore his posts. Do not read them. pretend that he does not exist.. And for us, he will not. And that will cause him, more discomfort than any words we say.
Let’s see how it feels inside, ourselves, if we stop feeding the troll.
Or continue. But know, that, that is what we want to do, because we are getting something from it. And do not ask the Mothers to fix what we will not.
Deni G—I agree with you that 99.9% of the time it is not worth responding to things like this. However I’ve known far too many otherwise smart, capable women who nearly shake in the face of remarks like his. Entire rows of mega-book outlets and oceans of magazine newsprint are devoted to boosting women’s self-esteem, which has more to do than just with the women, but also their children and the organizations they work with too.
Bush Inc has institutionalized a NeoMisogyny. Ann Coulter’s books are purchased in bulk in the first week to place them on the NYT bestseller list, and with money from the likes of Richard Mellon Scaife, in order to promulgate the idea that women should never have been given the right to vote, etc. They are systematically unraveling the New Deal, the things that make this nation great, by well orchestrated plan. With 350 very organized interlinked GOP groups across the country with a directive to “wipe liberals off the face of this Earth.” I didn’t help a generation of women knock down barriers, and become one of 2% of women in a male field to see it reversed. This is a WOMAN’s site. I am not concerned about women like me, you, Suzanne C, Iris, Mugsy, et all—-we can handle ourselves.
I’m concerned about the single mother of three earning a minimum wage, quaking in her boots about the job disappearing and her family winding up on the street. The safety nets are all but gone. I live in an urban setting, I know what’s going on and who’s impacted.
Women who are even too timid to post here, who are afraid and alone, who visit this site to find a community, inspiration, resources. Women who across all socio-economic strata have endured rape, been beaten up, verbally and emotionally abused, who are trapped in any manner, who want to contribute…should be able to find the place that purports to be for them to lift them spiritually and be free of spewing anti-female hate that knocks them back down.
There are lots of women who are extremely intimidated by someone holding out that “I am a shrink and know that all of you are worthless pieces of sh*t.” Read “The Chalice and The Blade.” Dr Troll is on the same energy-string as the Middle-Ages ‘expert’ who identified ‘witches’ for the Church. Innocent women who were then stripped, their hair shorne, brutally tortured, raped, and murdered by the millions, and by the church, who on their instruments of torture stamped “by the grace of God.” The women’s husbands and children were forced to watch, their estates and worldly goods were taken by the church to pay for their cost of their torture. Entire villages were emptied of women.
Dr. Troll is energetically-linked to those men above, to the men in Salem who drowned witches, to the 100 ‘learned’ men who put Joan of Arc in the flames and set them back from her so she’d suffer more as thanks for saving their nation. They used the exact kind of words.
We do not stop the Bushes, Cheneys, NeoCons, Hitlers, Torquemadas by ignoring them. We didn’t get civil rights by ignoring abuses. And if the founders of the site don’t wish to put a delete button to prevent hate speech against women [as exists even on very open-minded Craigslist] then I am literally wasting my time worth thousands of dollars to prevent it here so the vulnerable women on the other sides of their computer screens have a counterpoint to his words, a voice identifying what it is if they can’t name it, and someone saying this is not OK, and ladies you are not what this “Doctor” who repeatedly holds himself out as an expert on the subject says you are.
Most of the time you are right Deni. Most of the time you ignore it. This is not one of those times. This guy is very abusive and very sick.
When your house is invaded by a big rat it doesn’t go away by ignoring it. I have plenty to do, believe me, and keep chastising myself not to waste my time.
We had a thread the other day on inclusion, on bringing in women who already feel so oppressed and disenfranchised.
Thank you! for such a brilliant post!
I do see your point.
My point of view is that he is now taking up several pages. That women see paragraph after paragraph of his crap and that he is getting more attention here than anyone else. I have to skip page after page to avoid being slimed by his crap.
You are talking about men with power. I don’t agree that this guy has any, unless we give it to him.
I may not be right. I may be completely wrong. That is o.k. If I am, I will learn more than I know now. And I will never never regret learning something new, from you!
But LOL! I am not yet convinced, that I am wrong on this. My opinion is that women would be more empowered by watching him, be totally ignored.
Why not ask all the women, if they want or need to see us engage with this guy? Why not ask which is the more empowering, which creates the most ‘safety’?
Let’s at least explore the solutions and womens’ opinions and not make a decision, which gives him huge amounts of space on this site.
Perhaps this has already been done and I missed it. If so accept my apology and forget what I’ve said.
If not, then let’s let us discuss it further!
Deni…He’s a mental lightweight and I have brilliant men friends who don’t like cowards assailing women from a safe distance. One is in intelligence….the problem will be handled. MK’s going.
Deni G, my sentiments exactly. The more resistance behavior we indulge, the more power we give it. I would disappoint myself if I had a reaction to him.
Suzanne De, I don’t know why you believe that most women are too oppressed to be able to see through this guy. If you want other women to include themselves, do you think they would want to join a site with a man and a woman arguing about something so stupid. Don’t use me as an excuse to ball out some idiot for being an ass. I can assure you, the majority here can see he is really rather small and ridiculous. I don’t need a delete button. Who cares what he thinks? People will see through it. I care what the women think on this site. I don’t care if men come on. I like men, they are wonderful in the ways that they are wonderful, and just like everyone else, have areas that need growth. I don’t want to nor do I have to grow MK up.
Ladies—-There’s quiet a menu here of erotic services…..which ‘snazzy’ dates do we think is Dr Trolls? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/personals.cgi?category=ers
Watch that ticker Doc between your fisticuffs action here, Industrial doses of Vigra, and then the menu of “erotic” free sleeze….that’s a lot for a Edsel-era ticker to take.
Hopefully these guys can give you a three-fer check for the HepC, STD’s and ticker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1niUUhSMJIA
I recently had to go to the police to rescue a broken hearted (her only parent died) 14 year old girl who had run away. She was gone a little over a week when a friend of her family’s found her for sale on Craigslist. She was being pimped by someone with whom MK clearly shares some empathy. Pictures and all. I was told that there are hundreds of children on that site being sold to and “rented” by men who have MK’s attitude toward women. Fortunately she was rescued.
Maybe we need to be reminded to teach our daughters to respect their radar and stay away from just this kind of guy, and our sons to grow up to be anything but like him from time to time.. It is easy to forget there are some still like that in the world when you live in a world with decent men who have integrity and self respect. Men who are secure enough and smart enough to know that a good partner is worth more than “bragging rights” and who would be appalled by such nincompoopery…
Was it Maya who said “when someone tells you who they really are, believe them the first time”? I believe you MK. ICK. Your one night stands should raise their rates.
Doc I think if we don’t give up we will get beat up. Unfortunately it appears that women know less about men than we know about them. All most men really want is to be appreciated. There are many ways a woman can show appreciation. A bit of honey for their honey will go a long way and it is just simple words most of the time.
…that despite the fact that we can get the job done too, we really do like and appreciate you most when you like and appreciate us too. Having said that, we like being around you without especially wanting to be you! In the long run, there is something to be said for,”Vive la difference!” While celebrating that, respect, consideration and understanding that a good sense of humor can ward off many potential problems are important qualities paralleling showing up when you’re there. Many have mastered sweet talk, but daily interactions leading up to the sweet talk are equaly as important.
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