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Question of the Day | 10/08/2008 12:00 am

Do your families have any stories of surviving the Great Depression and, if so, how did they influence you?

© Dorothea Lange Collection/Wikipedia
Candice Bergen

Candice Bergen | 10/08/2008 12:00 am

Candice Bergen: The View From a Place of Such Plenty

The thing is I have no pithy anecdotes about the Depression. Growing up in Hollywood, it had little reality for me. When I was little, I thought people were talking about a time in the ’30s when people were … well, just really DOWN. And then there were the really depressed who jumped out of windows. But my father was in vaudeville then, the tail end of it at least, and just trying to break into supper clubs. I don’t mean ROB supper clubs — just get started performing in them. He was scratching to get by. As I got older, but not much, my frame of reference for the Depression came from photos, news clips, films. Images of people in soup lines merged with photos of those caught in the Dorothea Lange photos of families in the Dust Bowl. It was a metaphor for utter misery, total destitution and almost impossible to connect with fully for one from a place of such plenty.

Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 10/08/2008 12:00 am

Joan Ganz Cooney: Except for a Few Hate Mongers, We Were a United Country

I was a child during the Great Depression in Phoenix, AZ, which, like every place, was hard hit by the Depression. Even though I was very young I was aware of it because the radio news shows broadcast stories about little else except, later, the brewing war in Europe. My father was the head of a bank and worried about a potential bank failure. He succeeded in selling the bank and retained his job so we were not personally affected.

I remember vividly the unemployed men coming from the road in back of our house, through our gate and asking for work. My mother paid them for yard work if she had it; and in any case, she gave them a sandwich and a dollar bill. What a difference from today. There was no fear of these unemployed strangers and much sympathy everywhere for them. Except for a few hate mongers and their followers, we were a united country worried about the people who were suffering and willing to pay the price to put them to work on Federal projects and alleviate their hardship in any way we could.

 

Joan Juliet Buck

Joan Juliet Buck | 10/08/2008 12:00 am

Joan Juliet Buck's Parents Rode the Waves

My mother’s mother, who had been the girl in the arrow shirt ad, a medallion I believe, was a mother of two when the Depression struck. My grandfather, a dashing, if short, gentleman, was in the kind of business that involved a great many meetings abroad and many handshakes.
My mother was very beautiful. At nine years old she had to support her family because, in the Depression, the handshakes didn’t work anymore. She went on stage, modeled and was the little girl on the "Amos ‘n’ Andy" radio show.

Exhausted by ten years of career, she married my father at 19 and vowed never to work again.

My father’s father, who, family legend has it, was a half breed — a rare mix of Jew and Cherokee or Cree — played the piano for silent movies, and by the time the Depression came had his little cigar store at 1600 Broadway. My father’s mother was a mother of two when the depression struck.

My father went to work at 15, becoming a press photographer in New York. I still have his badges. He moved out to L.A., shot stars and studio heads, became a cameraman during the war and then a producer.

When I was a baby, something that happened to them was worse than the Depression: the House un-American Activities Committee investigations, which divided Hollywood. My parents were never communists, but the level of hatred and mistrust in their company town made them decide to get the hell out of the States. They moved to Paris with my mother’s parents.

When times got tough again — because they always do – my mother gave a big sigh and played Charles Boyer’s secretary in a Four Star Playhouse shot in Paris.

Then times got good. Then they got bad again. Then they got almost good. Then they got absurdly good for certain people — and never quite good enough for the rest.

All I have ever seen is cycles, good and bad, each one perceived as an unchangeable reality while it was happening.

Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 10/08/2008 12:00 am

Liz Smith: 'The Low Blow of Wall Street Will Bring the Nation to Its Moral Senses'

The Great Depression! I remember being relatively rich before 1929. (My family owned two houses in Fort Worth, TX, and my father earned a great salary buying cotton for the Japan Cotton Co.)

So the great crash took almost everybody down. I remember my father traveling incessantly, working “on commission.” I remember my mother standing in horror when the Baptist Church delivered two boxes of groceries as charity to those who had been the deliverers in the past.

I remember being unable to join a grade-school club because the initiation fee was 25 cents. And I remember my 16-year-old brother, James, working his heart out in an ice cream shop and bringing his salary home to my mother in nickels and dimes.

Even children were inspired by the way F.D.R. worked to create the W.P.A. and other social services, efforts that created the Tennessee Valley Authority and shored up new kinds of jobs in the U.S. It took World War II for America to fully recover from the Depression. But by then we were the Arsenal of Democracy and ready to be the greatest industrialized nation and lead the world.

I feel the Depression pulled the country together. People sacrificed, skimped, made do and maybe that’s not such a bad thing for a nation overfed, over-entertained, overpaid and moving along very low on "sacrifice."

Perhaps the low blow of Wall Street will bring the nation to its moral senses. Maybe we’ll begin to concentrate on education, science and health and less on jazzy cars, celebrity worship and massive entitlement and willful selfishness.

Click here on this text to read my New York Post column.

Whoopi Goldberg

Whoopi Goldberg | 10/08/2008 12:00 am

Whoopi Goldberg: 'The Great Depression Was the Great Equalizer'

I’m from a black family; from the time we hit the shores of the United States there was a "depression." What I got from it was the Great Depression was the great equalizer. Nobody had anything tangible so what was tangible — respect, caring, etc. —  these things were shared.
Mary Wells

Mary Wells | 10/08/2008 12:00 am

What Mary Wells Learned From the Great Depression

We never had any money when I was young in Ohio, but nobody was jumping out of windows or selling apples in our town. We always thought life was about making do and working hard for very little. My parents told me a little about the Depression, about how my mother’s family moved into my grandfather’s small hotel for a short time, about how my father who kept his job through it all selling furniture and mattresses could pay his bills. They didn’t explain the Depression as an unusual and desperate heartbreaking experience, a story with a moral to pass on. Nothing they told me impressed me as a different life than what I was living.

I was lucky as a child to live in a pretty little town surrounded by a large fairytale forest. My father created a garden around our little house by transplanting wild flowers from the forest and people drove long distances to see his masterpiece. So I didn’t see life as a very small house with a very small bathroom; I saw it as living in a famous wildflower garden. My parents worked hard but everybody’s parents worked hard in my slice of Ohio – I didn’t feel poorer than anyone else, I didn’t know anybody who had a big house with two bathrooms. As I grew up the Depression appeared to me in books and theater and movies – distanced.

However, when I was older I learned that my parents had ben deeply frightened by the Depression and the impact it had on people’s lives and relationships – and its threat to us. They just saw no point in upsetting their child and unwittingly they may have contributed to my courage or craziness in financial dealings.

I am very concerned about today’s financial world, but not so much in its possible threat to my children, or our friends and me. It is the precipice overlooking how little we know that has been revealed that is my Depression.

Cynthia McFadden

Cynthia McFadden | 10/08/2008 12:00 am

Cynthia McFadden's 'Just-in-Case' Food Supply

My parents both lived through the Depression. While I wasn’t born until the late ’50s, that legacy was alive and well in our house in Auburn, ME. As a child I thought "The Depression" was located in our basement. It was certainly dark and "depressing" down there and my parents kept enough canned goods in that dank place to permit months of chowing down on creamed corn and green beans. I confess to thinking that not eating might be a better option, although those thoughts were fueled by a full belly. It was the "just in case" food supply, also fueled by a vibrant "duck and cover" arms race. 

My parents, I realize, talked about the Depression a lot. My father’s father owned a tiny corner grocery store, "McFadden’s Market," in those days and my father was proud that his father, Charlie McFadden, was well-known for "trading" with his neighbors. Shoes for food. Sweaters for food. Milk for meat. That kind of thing. He also extended credit — lots and lots of credit — to his neighbors who needed to feed their families. Needless to say, grandfather was never paid back for most of what he lent and ultimately lost the store. I wonder if that is part of the reason my father refused to borrow money. His philosophy was, "If I can’t afford to pay cash, I can’t afford to buy it." He never owned a credit card until the 1980s when a car-rental company refused to rent him a car without one. I don’t think he ever used it but that once.

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f p
That photo is so famous: Walker Evans or maybe Dorothea Lange— my dad worked through the great depression as did my mother—they were both lucky to have had jobs—I remember him telling me that he made 75 cents an hour yet they both made enough to get married and have me in 1942 an then my brother.
By f p on 10/08/2008 12:12 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Frank: That photo was taken from the book by James Agee and Walker Evans, “Let Us Now Praise Famous Men” which is still the consummate portrayal of the poor in the time of the depression.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 10/08/2008 9:14 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Correction: Just took my book down from the shelf and that particular picture is not in it, so it may very well be one by Lang.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 10/08/2008 9:37 am
f p
Phyllis, yes I believe Dorothea Lange took that photo—Let Us Now Praise Famous Men is and astounding book but then so was Agee as a writer—I dearly love his A Death in the Family. Walker Evans’ pix are amazing but it’s Dorothea Lange that really get to me with her with hers —All those photographers who went out from the FSA to record the Great Depression was amazing in the insights and the human tragedy they captured with those pix.
By f p on 10/08/2008 9:42 am
Barbara Taylor
The photo says a lot. I’ve often wondered what happened to that woman and her children. A moment in time, with no future.
By Barbara Taylor on 10/08/2008 10:05 am
f p
Yep—I’ve often wondered what happened to those people in those pix from Evans and Lange and the rest —probably many made it to California and a new life—which was incredibly tough in California in the 30’s—the history of CA in that time is one of union organization and social unrest especially in the Imperial valley. Steinbeck wrote good books about that time and was vilified for it by the growers in the Imperial Valley. Not a good part of the history of this country.
By f p on 10/08/2008 10:23 am
Jennifer Dooley
Barbara, If you look under the photo in the lower left hand side, you will see the copywrite of Lange, but right next to that is Wikipedia if you click on that it will take you to the history of this Photo. When their click on Florence Thompson down in the summeryand you will have her whole history. LOve the net!!
By Jennifer Dooley on 10/08/2008 8:02 pm
Barbara Taylor
Jennifer, Thank you, enjoyed reading the history.
By Barbara Taylor on 10/08/2008 8:32 pm
Liz Smith
Dear Wow kids! This was very entertaining to me. You guys are going to find it is a cool day in July before you will be able to “correct” the great Candice Bergen when it comes to talking about photographers. She is, herself, a fine photographer and even played Margaret Bourke White in the movie “Ghandi” … Candice once tried her hand at professional photo taking. I think she went back to acting as a 2nd choice. Anyway, she is usually right when she says something about a photograph. Love that woman! —- Liz Smith
By Liz Smith on 10/08/2008 11:00 am
f p
Candace: I’ll be paying a helluva lot more attention to you in the future :-) Pays to read everything. Duh! My bad.
By f p on 10/08/2008 11:08 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Dear Liz: Well, now don’t that just beat the Dutch! Do I feel foolish? Well, do you punk? Yes, but I must confess I hadn’t read Candice’s piece before I posted––I’m always more interested in what my buddies have to say and THEN I go back and read what the MOM Wowers say. It’s like the icing on the cake. So mea culpa or something like that.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 10/08/2008 11:35 am
Emcye Edwards
Not sure this would interest her, but what about CPB putting up a regular photo essay? Weekly, monthly —- streetscapes, portraits, archived images - - fresh news coverage? We’re all for the wOw-Muses bringing their signature passions forward, here. Heck, even ladies in Alaska are learning to play the lyre. http://www.webwinds.com/thalassa/muses1.htm
By Emcye Edwards on 10/08/2008 3:08 pm
georgia fatwood
Hi Frank, Alice Down the Rabbit Hole here….I read “The Letters of James Agee to Father Flye” as a much younger person and thought I would go hunt up some info about them. I forgot about all the good PBS biz… http://www.ageefilms.org/news.html http://www.ageefilms.org/tral.html http://www.ageefilms.org/agee.html http://www.ageefilms.org/flye.html http://www.DeedeeAgee.com/index.htm Curiouser and curiouser….Love from Alice
By georgia fatwood on 10/11/2008 11:40 am
f p
Georgia—I read those too when I was young :-) PBS is wonderful and Agee’s books are simply lovely—did you know that the composer Samuel Barber composed a song cycle based on the opening section of Agee’s A Death in the Family? It’s titled: Knoxville: Summer 1915—it’s lovely and I have Dawn Upshaw singing it currently—I recommend this without hesitation if you like serious music and also didn’t Agee write the screenplay for John Huston’s The African Queen—a highly talented man Agee who did too too young. Thanks for the site listings—much appreciated, Georgia :-)
By f p on 10/11/2008 11:54 am
f p
If I’d gone to the sites i would have seen that you already knew of Knoxville: Summer 1915 duh! my dumb lololol
By f p on 10/11/2008 11:56 am