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Question of the Day | 04/21/2008 12:00 am

It's been 19 years since the protests in Tiananmen Square. What do you think about China today?

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Whoopi Goldberg
It’s hard to speak calmly about China because it’s so damned complex. You look at Tiananmen Square and what’s being done to Tibet, you look at how they make the poor people of China live while polluting rivers that for thousands of years fed tiny living towns. These people, their families, now live in danger and the people are at risk. And then you look at the fantastic art and dance and design and music that comes out of china and it boggles the mind. The fact that they own most of our debt and, on a whim, could send our country tumbling even more also boggles the mind. I know that we, in America, have sold our souls for China’s yen. So what do I think of China since Tiananmen Square? Same ole country, new Olympics.
By Whoopi Goldberg on 04/21/2008 12:00 am
Liz Smith
I think Napoleon was prescient when he said, “China is a sleeping giant. When she wakes, the world will be sorry.” I am sorry already. But before China takes over the world (and it seems they already own most of the United States in truth), China may have to face up to its own daunting interior problems — overpopulation, totally polluted rivers and environmentally un-livable cities poisoned by burning coal and industrialism, their new world choked with cars and traffic and millions of smokers adding to a gigantic health problem. Maybe they’ll be so busy solving their own problems, they’ll leave us alone. But I wonder … I think I am too troubled by these stated worries to spend too much time on their human rights abuses because, no matter what we boycott or protest, we are like mosquitoes stinging a giant. Democracy and America scored when the Nazis hosted the Olympics in Germany in 1936. Even Hitler’s parades and storm troopers couldn’t win out over the magnificent Jesse Owens. So I hope the Olympics will be held in China without too much carrying on and making of statements because showing the world democracy with our athletes is probably a better lesson than trying to slap China’s hands over Tibet. President Bush, whatever he does, is not a goodwill ambassador or a positive symbol. So what does it matter whether he goes to Beijing or not or does something or doesn’t? He gave up on diplomacy long ago; it’s too late now for him to embrace it. Let the west’s athletes speak for the west!
By Liz Smith on 04/21/2008 12:00 am
Joan Juliet Buck
1966: A million red guards mass in Tiananmen Square. Grim faces on the young students — students holding up the little red book as they create the cultural revolution. Such determination and passion is oddly exciting to teenagers in London and Paris. China is exciting. Between 1966 and 1976, the Cultural Revolution purges intellectuals and artists, sends teachers to the country while education is suspended and the past erased. Untold numbers of Chinese suffer and die, monasteries in Tibet are destroyed. China’s communists are fanatics. Venice, 1974. Antonioni shows his documentary about China at the Film Festival. The Italian Maoists protest because it shows people engaged in private bartering for a pig. A woman is shown undergoing an operation with only acupuncture for anesthetic. China is backwards. New York, 1980. A friend’s brother arrives from China, with his wife and daughter, part of the first wave released from Mao’s re-education camps and prisons. His front teeth have all been replaced by steel. He was once an actor. No more. China is cruel. 1992. The films of Zhang Yimou and Chen Kaige show China as a place where human beings suffer, get by, dream. Gong Li plays a series of beautiful young women, often peasants. China is human. 1999. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, directed by Ang Lee, who is actually from Taiwan, shows ancient China to be a place of marvels and wonders. Sword fights happen in mid-air. China is super-human. 1999. The meditation practice of Falun Gong is outlawed. China is still intolerant. 1999. Rupert Murdoch marries Wendi Deng. China is rip roaring. 2000. Everyone in China has cell phones. China is catching up. 2004. China closes more than 12,000 Internet cafés. But not really catching up. 2005. Everything in Wal-Mart comes from China China provides mass-made goods for U.S. masses at low cost. 2005. Acupuncturists practice all over the United States. China will save our bodies 2006. Chinese pet food kills pets. Chinese toys full of lead. China hates dogs, cats, and children. 2007. China is said to own U.S. debt. China owns our future. 2008. China hosts Olympic Games; dogs and cats rounded up. Told you so.
By Joan Juliet Buck on 04/21/2008 9:43 am
Joan Ganz Cooney
Whoopi’s got it right. Even though we may deplore China’s human rights record, we are totally dependent on their money to fund our budget profligacy and on their goods to hold inflation down. I find us hypocritical and confusing when it comes to China. And I’ll NEVER understand why China was awarded the Olympics ‘08.
By Joan Ganz Cooney on 04/21/2008 12:00 am
Mary Wells
It is easy to complain about China but can you find a country you fully admire and have no complaints about? Including America? There have been big differences in China since Tiananmen Square and if you haven’t been there in awhile a visit there is astonishing. You can’t think about Tibet without being reminded of America’s own mistakes and you can’t visit Beijing without being reminded of America’s past capitalistic growth. It is not bad that Beijing has and is building some of the world’s best hotels and that one has a butler rated the best in the world – I keep imagining Mao turning over in his grave about the best butler in the world being in China – because along with the massive building in China has come a middle class that did not exist before and far, far more healthy and comfortable people. Although you cough in the seriously dirty air in china you also gasp at the brilliant art blooming there. Evolution isn’t perfect, clean or without thrills and chills. What interested me the most there is the change in attitude in the many people doing many new things. You don’t feel like such a stranger and you feel welcome and accepted in the large cities now. I think this is the time to start encouraging our young people to learn to speak and to write Chinese in school. I would guess that in their primary career years the timing will be such that to be expert in Chinese will enhance a career and, in an important competition, make the difference. And I would encourage everyone to explore the many, many different collections of Chinese contemporary art showing up in Western cities. Young Chinese artists are examples of everything we should appreciate and encourage in China now. The art scene there is important - it’s independence and strength is new - the image it sets in China is a surprise and deserves applause.
By Mary Wells on 04/21/2008 5:52 am
Frannie Em
Just took a refresher course on US China relations, it was a real eye opener. I think the most interesting info was that the Chinese people are extremely unhappy about the pollution. They are forcing the govt to review the speed of development of China because of the pollution. He said it is a huge issue over there. As the middle emerges and they are having children, they all worry about their kids. The issue of them owning our debt has always bothered me but we are one of their biggest markets, and they don’t want to lose us. If we don’t buy, they don’t grow. Wal Mart is one of the biggest companies over there. If we go down, they go down. Besides Tibet, they have 200million homeless workers left over from the Cultural Revolution that are not skilled for 21st century jobs, as well as an incredible migration from the farms to the cities, because of better pay. They have more problems than you can imagine, and those problems are coming to a head, quickly. Per Capita, our citizens continue to out earn them. They have been on full tilt until the Olympics, but after that, I think you will see more problems surface. We do not hear of the problems because their press is controlled by the government.
By Frannie Em on 04/21/2008 12:32 am
MARK KLEIN, M.D.
The Soviets would have survived had they gone the Chinese route following the student riots by liberalizing its economy and loosening ideological controls. Utterly pragmatic China’s communist leadership chose retention of power over ideology. In the mid-80s told a friend the Soviet’s days were numbered. In my 40s back then explained my Russian contemporaries are at the age when the goodies of life—gadgets, nice homes, good schools for the kids, fancy shopping, etc—surplants ideology which often serves to assist young people to get through the sometimes treacherous shoals of growing up.
By MARK KLEIN, M.D. on 04/21/2008 9:52 am
Alyn C
I think we better be nice to them…they own us now. Thank’s W.
By Alyn C on 04/21/2008 7:24 pm
Buh- Bye
I think they’re putting lead in all the products we have out sourced to them on the cheap.
By Buh- Bye on 04/23/2008 3:03 pm
Frannie Em
Sorry, although in CA I am up too late, so my post is jumping around. But I agree with Whoopi, same ole Country, new Olympics.
By Frannie Em on 04/21/2008 12:36 am
Frank Peterson
Has China changed at all since Tiananmen Square—NO! The oligarchy in power are still basically the same as then. Tibet is the “new” Tiananmen, only exponentially worse, and I see nothing in China’s power elite to indicate they have changed in any way. Their aims are the same as they were in Mao’s time with a veneer of so-called respectability. Now the Olympics are here—frankly the US should boycott them until China leaves Tibet for good. So should the rest of the world. Of course it won’t happen—they basically own us. Our debacle in Iraq, the obscenity of all the deaths —ours as well as theirs—is essentially funded by China. So nothing has changed and I foresee nothing changing in China’s future for the rest of my life to come or my daughters life for that matter. I no longer have any faith in the political process—and to even entertain the idea that China may become vaguely democratic is serious lunacy.
By Frank Peterson on 04/21/2008 12:56 am
Ken Jarvis
WHAT were - “Their aims are the same as they were in Mao’s time”? And HOW do you know what they were?
By Ken Jarvis on 04/21/2008 7:57 am
Alyn C
He wrote a book…
By Alyn C on 04/21/2008 7:28 pm
Patrice Baldwin
Frank, when was the last time you spent any amount of time with the Chinese people? China has changed immensely since Tianamen Square. Their aims are about 90 degrees from Mao. He was the one who slowed the country down to a halt in the wrong direction. The results of the Mao years are still being overcome on a very basic level. The Communist leadership still has an ideological hold on the people, but the notion of social change and free trade has taken hold too. Sure, they have problems and pollution. So do we. Have you taken a dip in the Hudson river lately? Patrice Baldwin
By Patrice Baldwin on 04/21/2008 10:38 pm
Mugsy Peabody
Thank you for this. In the 1970s, Amnesty International basically “ignored” China because none of the methods used elsewhere impacted their behavior. I do believe economics will impact human rights conduct in the long run, but it is a marathon. And our conduct since 9/11 has been less than “instructive” in regards to human rights, any more than turning our backs on the Kyoto Accord did anything but damage our own credibility when we speak on the environment. Otherwise, there are ways in which China has faced reality more directly than others, such as population control. (France and Italy, I believe, are the only western countries with zero or negative birth rates.) I have always believed that Nixon really hurt us by closing off relations with the Peoples Republic for so long because we lost valuable time in which to educate ourselves about that culture; I think we’re still dreadfully xenophobic about Asia in many ways. It’s always interested me that India seemed so much less formidable because of the widespread use of English in the subcontinent. Honestly, how many of us will ever learn Mandarin? And if we can’t even speak, how can we ever understand? I recommend people watch The Blue Kite, and other serious New China Cinema. We need to understand. Also, we need to draw the distinction between the government and the people of the Peoples Republic. Certainly the majority of my American Chinese friends, whether Mainland or Taiwanese, are totally horrified by what’s going on in Tibet, but are not naive enough to believe they can impact the situation. Perhaps that’s why the young man standing up to the tank in Tiananmen touched us all so deeply — real courage always does.
By Mugsy Peabody on 04/21/2008 1:00 am