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Question of the Day | 02/22/2009 11:00 pm

Should NYTimes.com change their model and charge for their online content? Tell us why

NYTimes.com
Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 02/22/2009 11:00 pm

Joan Ganz Cooney: A United Front of Newspapers

How newspapers and other journals are going to survive without charging for content is anyone’s guess. The Times has tried charging for columns and the columnists objected because their readership dropped so much. But eventually, I believe that the Times, along with other publications, will have to join hands and charge.
Joan Juliet Buck

Joan Juliet Buck | 02/22/2009 11:00 pm

Joan Juliet Buck on Media, Entertainment Surviving the Internet

This question is central to the survival of all media and all entertainment, not just newspapers: TV, Music, Movies, Books. Of course they should charge, and of course I don’t want to pay, and of course we all should pay.
Mary Wells

Mary Wells | 02/23/2009 12:00 am

Mary Wells: A Revolution!

The New York Times should not change a thing. I won’t have it!!!!! I want it to stay forever just the way it is. It is unique and if it changes in any way, my coffee won’t taste the same and my day won’t start roaring and life will shrink. Whose idea was this anyway? Of course it won’t change a thing. There would be revolution.

Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 02/23/2009 12:00 am

Liz Smith: David Remnick's Thoughts on the News Biz

I don’t know what is going to happen to great newspapers, which we need to guard us in a democracy unless they start changing their model and charging for online content. 

None other than the editor of The New Yorker magazine, David Remnick, recently suggested to me that journalists, columnists and editors need to get in an old jalopy together and go besiege Congress for a bailout. He also said, at the time, "You know, I read The New York Times and The Washington Post every single morning online and I am trying to figure out what’s in that process for these newspapers."

So to get some kind of profit for newspapers in this current Internet situation, I don’t see how the best of them can avoid beginning to charge for their hard work instead of giving it away free. Advertising on the Internet works well for some things being sold, but not enough to sustain newspapers. For some reason or other, a lot of people believe that news-gathering is free; relishing it – their right; and how the newspaper sustains itself is of no concern.

This situation cannot endure.

Click here on this text to read my New York Post column.

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joan larsen

For years, the beginning of my morning is sitting with the New York Times, turning the pages, reading the sections one by one, and not only learning but truly enjoying the sheer quality of the writing.  I think all who have grown up with newspapers arriving at their homes feel the same way.

But that is us .   .   . and ahead of us we already see the future — already so different than the world that we have known before the advent of instant news, transmitted as it happens on our TVs.  There is a rush to our lives that we have not seen before.  The more leisurely times seem gone and we can catch the news on the streets on our latest gadgets that become more sophisticated by the day.

It seems like sacrilege to question, BUT we are seeing newspapers and magazines thinning in the last months, and many failing.  Doesn’t it seem that the handwriting is on the wall?  I have a feeling that the upcoming generations are not going to pay for a newspaper online.  They aren’t as discriminating - for the most part - as we have been.  The bare bones will do - and they will do their own investigation if they want details. 

Do I like the thought.  I hate it.  But technology has changed our world — and continues to as I write.  I see so many things that I hold dear disappearing.  For newspapers - and before too long - the die is cast.

 

 

 

By joan larsen on 02/23/2009 12:22 am
Frannie Em
It is not necessarily a should they do it, but when are they going to have to do it.  I don’t want them to but they are in big trouble financially.  They had to borrow at an 14% interest from a Mexican Millionaire to keep them running for a while.  If they go, many will follow.  Sad but it will save a lot of trees.
By Frannie Em on 02/23/2009 12:38 am
Ms. Dee

Good morning, Joan,

I never got into the habit of reading the newspaper, but I know what you mean about things disappearing in the wake of technology.  My computer does provide me with access to any number of convenient sources of information, but will there ever be a substitute for the library?

I don’t see how anybody can conduct any sort of responsible research, especially historical research, without hitting the stacks.

And then there’s the whole dynamic of human interaction that’s been reduced to two people tapping at isolated keyboards.  I worry that it will breed a generation of automotons…if it hasn’t already. 

By Ms. Dee on 02/23/2009 5:43 am
joan larsen

Hello Ms. Dee - And here we are communicating between keyboards, as you said.  But yet, we are hardly automatons as they don’t have hearts and minds of their own — and I have discovered, haven’t you, that it turns out it is then next best thing to "being there".  (And you know I only say anything until after considerable thought).

As to libraries, you are talking to one who sees them from the inside every day - and often has to project to their future in my work.  The library as have known it from a young age is no longer where it is at.  The "reference librarian" is now called the "adult services" librarian and, more often than not, provides direction to the most relevant site on the computers that are now spread throughout the library. 

People may not be aware but the book sections of libraries are being weeded, downsized, and normally the rule is to have books that have been circulated in the last five years.  There is no need to get excited, as there is something called "the last copy" and it will remain somewhere in your library system, available to you through your library when needed. 

Why is this being done?  We are responsible to the taxpayers and must be up-to-date with their needs - so different than the good ole days.  Computers are in demand.  You would be surprised how many do not have them, lining up in the morning to be the first in to use them.  They take space, but they also must be in a space where those using them can be monitored.  . which means that library stacks have to be reduced … not a lot, as 280,000 books is still a lot of books for a suburban library.  Research libraries still stand firm for those who are deeply into a subject. 

But as with newspapers, the printed word on paper is sadly going to be - not wholly replaced - but taken over by the technology that the young have grown up with.  I guess it is called "progress".  And yes, we - who like the feel of holding the book or newspaper will still be able to to a lesser extent - will mourn.  We DO mourn.  But the world goes forward … and the broad technological advances that expand with each passing day become "the norm".  It’s called PROGRESS.  And sometimes it is hard to swallow.  This surely is.

 

 

By joan larsen on 02/23/2009 11:11 am
Alessan O
No charge for on line news, period.
By Alessan O on 02/23/2009 1:15 am
Roger from Ohio

I think they should keep it free on line, but post it 3 days later.

If they want the current news, they have to purchase the paper.

If they do start charging for on line news, they need to make sure to follow-up on stories, and correct misinformation.

 One thing though… if they charge for info, that wil be coppied and pasted on other sites….. so it would still be able to be found for free.

By Roger from Ohio on 02/23/2009 1:37 am
Lizzie R.
I had earlier paid $50/yr. to get the NY Times online, then they made it free. I’ll say this, when I paid, I’d occasionally cut/paste articles to fwd to others. We have 2 papers in my city. The afternoon paper is soon to be gone, and the morning paper is getting so reduced in size I jokingly call it a pamphlet. It’s not that small, but is shrinking. I need my paper to read with my breakfast and AM coffee. I do not want to get all my news online. The NY Times cannot go the way of other city’s papers. It’s like the father of them all, but if they need to charge I suppose they must. I just don’t think we are a newspaper reading nation any longer, and that is a pity. There’s more to a paper than just the news, and I love the entirity of a newspaper.
By Lizzie R. on 02/23/2009 2:56 am
kermie b

Isn’t the question better phrased as:  why pay for newspapers on the Kindle (and Sony Reader, etc.) when it can be viewed for free online?  There is a gap in technologies that is not being addressed. 

Roger from Ohio has a point.  There are strong-willed people on the internet who believe information (and movies, tv shows) should be the "right of the people", and they are sincere in working toward making everything free of charge.  Sooner or later that philosophy will weaken the quality of the information presented.  One example is Wikipedia.  How many times has Wikipedia been presented as an information source when we know it is written by anyone, anyone at all, and entirely undependable, unreliable. 

I don’t know the answer to this question.  People respect a news source when they have to pay hard-earned money for it.  We may be better off for the fee if it means we pay journalists for their work online, and reward all those years of schooling. 

By kermie b on 02/23/2009 3:15 am
Rose ~~

" One example is Wikipedia.  How many times has Wikipedia been presented as an information source when we know it is written by anyone, anyone at all, and entirely undependable, unreliable. "

That just is not true. Of their Top 20 essential sites, Time Magazine chose Wikipedia as #1. And one of the top business books of 2007, recommended by The Economist, Business Week, Amazon, Financial Times, etc used Wikipedia as a case study of a successful collaborative ventures and included all the quality control measures that are built-in…surprised me…quite interesting. "Wikinomics.’

We are no longer a vertical culture, but a horizontal one. And as in the Industrial Revolution some institutions will adapt, others will pass away. 

Salon has tinkered around with different formats over the last four years. Paid, not paid, now premium paid and open with the preminum subscriptions and adverts supporting the sites. HuffPo is popular, but not yet profitable.

 

 

By Rose ~~ on 02/23/2009 4:24 am
kermie b
Rose—I did some independent investigation and I, personally, would not vouch for the veracity of anything on Wikipedia. This is my opinion, and I would never try to force it on anyone. There are some sites like http://www.scholarpedia.org, which are more stringent in their standards than wikipedia. Anything written online is iffy by definition, IMO.
By kermie b on 02/23/2009 1:22 pm
Shannon Simmons
So should journalists just work for free then?  Come on that takes a lot of hard work to get to where you can work and live comfortable as a columnist…I would be glad to pay 10 dollars a year for some online Times…if you wanna  get it for free, then you are going to have to be more resourceful…or have a nice friend who subscribes…
By Shannon Simmons on 02/23/2009 4:01 am
Rose ~~

It’s called Blowback. Save Al Franken, Vanity Fair, Buzzflash, Truthout. Alternet, Peace and Justice and a few key bloggers during the run-up to Bush’s phony criminal war; the rightwing propaganda machine branded everyone who dared tell the truth, ‘terrorist loving America haters who needed to have a fist full of Freedom Fries crammed down their throats before they were shipped off to a CIA Black Site.’

The NYT quaked in it’s designer boots. And the Left realized it had no analogue to the Fox/NeoCon propaganda machine.  

Little by little MoveOn, HuffPo, et al gathered steam. Lefties learned to love it in Cyberspace. And the NYT and others who failed the US by not doing their job to be a counterweight to the WDC war machine, not screaming about the dangers of deregulated derivatives in 2001, are now dealing with the seachanges they set in motion. Paul Krugman, Frank Rich, were a couple of the few at the NYT who stayed true. Tom Friedman was pandering and wrong and even mocked his wife in his column, when she was right. Friedman was a cheerleader for the bloody phony mess he would soon decry, and then cry some more that we are so gone on the environment with all the time and $$ wasted even the Pentagon predicts catastrophic abrubt climate change.  Thanks to all the flatlanders, myopics, cowards and imbeciles that put us in this position. 

And now they wonder how they can get us to pay?

A little authenticity, guts and truth in 2002 would have gone a long way.

Payback’s a b*tch. Everything’s online including Le Monde diplomatique, the Toronto Sun, The Economist, der Spiegel. I too, used to love to go out for a cappuccino, croissant and NYT in the AM. The NYT’s betrayed me….haven’t read it since.

 

  

 

Should they charge? Sure if they want to lose their audience disappear. They need to hustle and get ad $$$. New Media boys and girls. Some will make some won’t….maybe even the Grey Lady.

 

By Rose ~~ on 02/23/2009 4:09 am
Ms. Dee
I don’t understand why they can’t charge the service providers instead of the end-users.  That would give me a choice…like the TV cable packages let me decide just how many channels I want or can afford, on-line packages would let me select news and entertainment sources.
By Ms. Dee on 02/23/2009 5:31 am
f p
As newspapers go bankkrupt online service will still be there and we’ll have to pay for it. Other on line services charge  so why not newpapers.
By f p on 02/23/2009 6:10 am
marta pont
A couple of years ago the  NYT on-line edition tried to charge for the articles written by their star journalists.  It was a flop.  I remembered I thought it was a bad marketing idea because those same articles (i.e. Dowd/Krugman) appeared at the same time in the on-line editions of foreign papers.  In my case, I just had only to wait a little to read the same in the on-line edition of La Nacion (Buenos Aires)  No, i don’t think I’ll pay, when you have so many choices on the Internet coming from the most important newspapers of the world.  But things are changing so fast everywhere that they will sure find alternatives for their financing
By marta pont on 02/23/2009 6:16 am