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Question of the Day | 09/09/2008 12:00 am

What are your thoughts on father-daughter purity balls?

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Marlo Thomas

Marlo Thomas | 09/09/2008 12:00 am

Marlo Thomas: Some Dates With Daddy Are Not OK

If a girl today wants to hang on to her virginity, that’s fine. And if she wants to go to a bash to celebrate it (even if the ball is thrown by evangelicals), that’s fine, too. But this is clearly a party she needs to go to alone — or at least not on a date with Daddy. That’s a little creepy to me …

Candice Bergen

Candice Bergen | 09/09/2008 12:00 am

Candice Bergen: Is a Purity Ball a Mormon Keepsake?

A Purity Ball??!! Is WHAT exactly?? Is it like a cotton ball? A hair ball? A nerf ball? Is it a Mormon keepsake? Why does everyone know this reference but me?
Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 09/09/2008 12:00 am

Joan Ganz Cooney Weighs In on Purity Balls

I’m afraid I think they’re ridiculous.
Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 09/09/2008 12:00 am

Liz Smith: Why Purity Balls Are a Plus for Womanhood

Another idiotic question from the bowels of wOw. I suppose to be charitable I’d have to say that whenever any father pays special attention to his daughter in any way, it is a big plus for her womanhood and her future. So I don’t want to knock it though I think daddy better be paying attention long before its ballgown-don’t-lose-your-virginity time.

Click here on this text to read my New York Post column.

Joan Juliet Buck

Joan Juliet Buck | 09/09/2008 12:00 am

The Games Joan Juliet Buck Doesn't Play

Never caught one. Lousy at games.

Julia Reed

Julia Reed | 09/09/2008 2:30 pm

Julia Reed: For the Birds!

Well, again, like Marlo, I think this is entirely creepy. You dress up in an evening gown and have a DATE with your father to promote abstinence? And your father makes a vow to protect your virginity in front of all the other folks in black tie and evening gowns? (How exactly does that work?) And then the next time this happens, everybody is dressed the same and he is giving your pristine self away to your husband? Whew.

I know I am the one who said in my post about Sarah Palin that there is a lot about the "flyover states," what I call regular America, that we in the media don’t often understand and this is proof of that.

I myself would have preferred the usual awkward father-daughter chat, but, thankfully, I was spared even that, because I think my father would have had a heart attack and died before he had gotten through it. My father and I are still very close and when I was a kid he dragged me (happily) around the country with him, mostly to Washington, where I got very friendly with the Filipino waiter at the Hay-Adams bar. He would make me grasshoppers when I was, like, 12 and give me peanuts to feed the squirrels in Lafayette Square across the street, and I thought this was a pretty wholesome way to spend time myself. But I don’t think the dads who are giving purity balls in places like the ballroom at the Broadmoor in Colorado would approve (clearly, I have now Googled purity ball).

My father always treated me like a smart, relatively grown-up person he liked a lot and respected, and while this did not exactly promote abstinence (and certainly not abstinence until I married, which did not happen until I was 42!), I think it made me trust myself. As I got older, even when I made some doozies of mistakes, I always knew I’d be OK somehow. Not long ago, my father called me and said, "I got some advice for you," and then we both started laughing, because we realized he has never actually given me any. He hasn’t had to.

Once we did go to a ball together though. I was 13 and a page at the Delta Debutante Ball, a ludicrous organization and event that was once emceed by a local doctor who said the debs had finally "attained social attainment in the eyes of the Lord." You can’t make this stuff up. Anyway, I had on this awful white lace dress with a Bertha collar (the most unflattering look in the world) that we all had to wear, and I was carrying a bouquet of pink and white roses, and the photographer, whose name I will never forget (Arthur David Greenberg all the way from Manhattan) had us pose under these birdcages that were hanging from the country club ceiling and contained dyed hot pink parakeets. Daddy thought that was the funniest thing in the world and there we were standing under these poor birds cracking up at the sheer ridiculousness of the whole thing.

As soon as the presentation was over, all the grown people danced and drank copious amounts of Scotch and gin and my fellow pages drank all the champagne we could get our hands on, which was a lot, and lusted after the older boys escorting the actual debutantes who seemed so much more glamorous than we. I think it was already too late to protect my purity. When it was my turn to be a deb, I politely declined, since I had already, as it were, "come out," and I thought I would be a tad redundant. So then I got this call in my college dorm room from my father, and he said, "Baby, you sure you don’t want to come back and stand underneath those birds again?" and I laughed and said I’d be happy to go find some dyed birds we could stand under and get our picture taken. That is pretty much how our conversations go, which I find far more suitable than any discussion about him protecting my virginity in mind, body and soul.  

58 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Elizabeth Bennett
This is a religious event, correct? I am not sure most people’s religious events would look rational to someone on the outside of that religion. It strikes me as bizarre, but then I am not an evangelical Christian. Maybe if I were an evangelical Christian it would seem as natural and lovely as any other religious ritual.
By Elizabeth Bennett on 09/09/2008 12:40 pm
HA BIBI
Elizabeth, Thank you for your respectful reply. It’s one thing for folks to disagree with a religious belief aside from that which they practice or even those who don’t believe at all, but to denegrate the practice and beliefs of others is nothing short of religious intolerance. And exacted by all those who call this particular belief, “creepy,” controling and even hint at incest, is something that goes against the grain of allowing for the freedoms of others, in the practicing of their beliefs. I am not an evangelical Christian. but just simply a Christian of no denomination, who believes in God and studies his word daily and tries my best, to live a life, as best I can, with God at the helm. Again, thank you, for your dignified and respectful opinion of others beliefs. :)
By HA BIBI on 09/09/2008 11:21 pm
Chari Bonagua
What’s next? Arranged marriage?
By Chari Bonagua on 09/09/2008 1:07 pm
queen trixie
This sentence is very disturbing: “but the point is subtly made, that the date will be held accountable for any miscreant behavior.” This is exactly my point. These girls aren’t taught that they own their own sexuality but it belongs to someone else. They don’t have the maturity or independence to even control their own lives, someone must do it for them. They are fragile, weak and unable to lead their own lives so big daddy must save them from themselves. If you look closely at the sentence it is as if the girl, being so fragile and stupid, would just willingly do what someone tells her so one must threaten the boy who has all the judgement and brains. I won’t even go into the horrors of “if you do ……I will kill…..”. Wow! Raise your girls, just like your boys, to stand up for themselves, think for themselves and own themselves.
By queen trixie on 09/09/2008 1:37 pm
LuckyLady n/a
Only organized religion could dream up something like this. I say get the 18 year old to a good attorney—have her and her dad enter into a contract. She can break the contract at any time without recourse (pun) and go about her life however she sees fit. Most young women of 18 have good sense. If they don’t let’s blame Dad. He didn’t start communicating with his daughter soon enough. Young women own their lives and should live accordingly.
By LuckyLady n/a on 09/09/2008 1:45 pm
Lynn Summers
Icky! VERY icky! Duh - in this day and age, how do they KNOW the daughter’s pure? What’s also very creepy to me on so many levels is the Mexican quinceañera [celebration for 15 year old girls - their “coming of age”]. They wear a gown very similar to a wedding dress, have a full court of people resembling a wedding party. There’s even a male escort for her. To me it is like announcing she’s ready for child-bearing. Distasteful. Not to mention the dreamy ideas the fifteen year-olds must get from all this. One wonders if the quinceañera party fosters a false sense of being an adult and contributes to early sexual activity. Whatever happened to keeping sexual experience [or lack of] private and celebrating teenage birthdays with a pool party?
By Lynn Summers on 09/09/2008 2:29 pm
thatsoutherngirl k
I think it’s right up there with the purity ring the daddy’s give their girls…creepy. To think they can control their daughters actions/emotions…basically guilting them into it.
By thatsoutherngirl k on 09/09/2008 3:45 pm
DeBúrca obj
The idea of a father-daughter “purity ball” really grosses me out. I find it not only disgusting and sexist but I doubt VERY much this does anything to keep a girl from having sex before marriage. I would have absolutely died of embarrassment if I had to go to something like this with my Dad… it even makes me cringe to think about it! You know what… let dad take to a few baseball games, or fishing or some other activity on a regular basis from the time she is very young, to get to know her and develop a bond, and in the long run it may just help boost her self esteem enough to aid her in making good decisions when the time comes.
By DeBúrca obj on 09/09/2008 3:56 pm
DeBúrca obj
TYPO: You know what… let dad take HER to a few baseball games,…
By DeBúrca obj on 09/09/2008 3:58 pm
Kryssi K
Is there a ball for girls who don’t HAVE fathers…or perhaps girls who aren’t ALLOWED to get married in this country? God this whole “abstinence” craze is getting beyond ridiculous. This society is so out of touch with reality.
By Kryssi K on 09/09/2008 4:37 pm
Lise 22
I have included my father in all aspects of my adult life except sex. Not discussed, mentioned, thought about or joked about. It is just plain weird.
By Lise 22 on 09/09/2008 7:44 pm
G V
What about a father - son purity ritual of some sort. I’ve run into too many fathers that still have that old macho attitude about it being okay for their boys (wink, wink) but not so for their pious little girls. I always tell them to teach their sons to respect women in the same way they are supposedly taught to respect their sister and mom, and then we’ll do some talking about going out with my daughter!
By G V on 09/09/2008 10:36 pm
leslie bowles
I dont think sexuality should be tied to your father..thats just creepy….
By leslie bowles on 09/23/2008 3:27 pm