Question of the Day | 11/23/2008 11:00 pm
Which three First Ladies of the past do you think were the most distinguished?
Nancy Reagan, Jacqueline Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson
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Eleanor Roosevelt
Jacqueline Kennedy
Hillary Clinton
and I am expecting Michelle Obama to wind up replacing one of these names.
Abigail Adams
Eleanor Roosevelt
I am still thinking about a more modern one. Ladybird Johnson was a tireless worker, Nancy Reagan raised tons of money to restore the White House, and we all know that after being a first lady, Hillary has run a great show.
Now I have read what the ladies upstairs said, but it was no help at all to decide my modern lady.
Jackie!!
She was one of America’s top horsewomen, a championship Scrabble player, a wonderfully witty watercolorist, multi-lingual (French, Spanish, Italian), intellectual….knew history, an expert on ancient myth and art, and the 18th C.
-At Vassar she won the Edna St. Vincent Milly prize for Literature and kept in a special place in her bedroom for the rest of her life. She won the Vogue’s Prix d Paris contest out of nearly 2,000 entries for designing an entire edition of the magazine but then turned down the prize. She was also Deb of the Year and the Inquiring Photographer in WDC, she covered the coronation of Queen Elizabeth delighting her newspaper’s editors and readers with her witty sketches of events.
-As a young teenager during the war on Hammersmith Farm in Newport she did many of the chores when the help took off for war including feeding the chickens and taking a shift answering the one phone in the mansion.
-In post-WWII deprived Paris for her year at the Sorbonne, she lived without heat and on rations, but made the best of everything and was unflappable even when the old fashioned water heater blew up in the bathroom with her in the tub.
-Loved the extremely clever book she and Lee penned “One Special Summer” about their European tour. I’d seen the book at the Smithsonian in the First Ladies exhibit and then happend on a copy at an musty second hand bookstore, but then my Japanese exchange wanted it so I gave it to her. Many insights into the young Jackie, including her considering art historian Bernard Berenson ‘a god’ and quoting his advice to be with life enhancing people, not life diminishing.
-I loved her scholarship about the restoration of the WH, and how she solved problems of money for the project including self-funding the first WH curator’s office when she penned the original White House Guidebook that subsequently raised tens of millions.
-She and JFK both loved history, sports and books. Jackie snow and water skied, was a great swimmer, they sailed, and she even rode with the expert Pakistani calvary during her visit there. She famously inhaled books, and was a certifiable egghead.
-She had such great enthusiasm and imagination. She was genuinely caring about all people, genuinely democratic. When upset by the poverty she saw in W Virgina, arranged the WH stemware would be ordinary but nicely styled glasses made there to help the local economy, knowing that if she bought them, millions of other Americans would too.
-Loved that she brought the arts into the WH and that so many institutions founded or inspired by she and JFK still exist: The Kennedy Center Honors, the Peace Corps, the Profile in Courage Awards, the Kennedy Center for Government at Harvard. Historical preservation laws began with Jackie after she helped save Layfayette Sq in WDC. The Anwar Dam project antiquites in Egypt [the gift of the 5th century BC nubian Temple of Dendur at MOMA was the result of her actions, and it was also her selection from a group of offerings.] She was also instrumental in saving Grand Central Station. And her original watercolors paintings appeared on UNICEF Christmas cards in the early 60s helping to raise money for UNICEF.
-As someone said she was the last of the very good taste. She was very sensitive to other cultures when traveling abroad, knew their histories and dressed with a nod to their cultures. Everywhere she traveled hundreds of thousands even millions poured out (and that’s when the world population was 1/2 it is today). In Canada, England, Mexico, Columbia, Venezula, Italy, France, Ireland, India, Pakistan she was greeted like a cross between a divinity and rock star. As a private citizen later she traveled quite simply. When she and architect I. M. Pei journeyed to China, he said she took one bag with mostly rolled up T-Shirts and khaki pants.
-She returned to work at 50, and acquired/edited100 books in 20 years, mostly for Doubleday, Her boss was Stephen Rubin the marketing genuis behind DaVinci Code. She argued for Joseph Campbell’s Power of Myth which has had a huge impact on our culture and gave Disney, Fox and other studio’s their hero archetype for films. She also acquired Bill Moyers “Healing and the Mind.” And the wonderful Peter Sis books.
-She was an excellent mother, famously stating that “If you bungle raising your children whatever else you do well doesn’t matter very much.”
-Carly Simon, a close friend said that most of all Jackie was a 16 year old girl. I loved her curiosity and appreciation, her refusal to allow others to define her. That she never wrote about her life and was always moving forward and focused on learning, enjoying, witnessing.
-She did pilates, yoga, meditated with Deepak Chopra. She didn’t complain and she didn’t speak about the past. She was a very modern woman with terrific sensibilites, amazing self-discipline, dignified, and with an incredible sense of self. She was a terrific writer.
-Jackie is among the 100 most admired women in history, as she deserves to be. Her heroic behavior at age 34 those four horrible days in Nov 1963 “Showed the world how to behave,” as President de Gaulle said. She wasn’t ostentacious but down to Earth, living simply at her Red Gate Farm on Martha’s Vineyard….and with her impish/girlish sense of humor that name made me wonder if she took it from the Nancy Drew book so entitled.
-The last book Jackie edited at Doubleday just before she died was on the Goddess Isis. I thought her entire life was like a myth and that was an incredibly fitting end.
The Temple of Dendur given to MOMA in thanks to Jackie’s efforts as First lady, was built for Isis. Jackie’s favorite city Paris was named for Isis. Isis was worshipped as the ideal mother and wife, patron of nature and artisans, the downtrodden as well as aristocrats and rulers. And like Jackie, Isis is the goddess of simplicity and beginnings. Isis is also the goddess of wisdom.
Isis was the complete female, the Goddess of Magic, the sister-wife to Osiris who was murdered, she was inconsolable and didn’t stop until she put him back together.
And Jackie did that for Jack. Rescuing what could have been an ignoble end and giving it mythological dimensions.
From someone who knew them I learned how very distraught Jack was over the wartime death of his irrepressible/charming sister, Kick, who was wildly popular in England when Jack, Kick, and Joe Jr were there during the lead up to WWII and when their father as Ambassador to England. Many who knew Jack well believed he saw alot of Kick in Jackie.
I went along on a private tour of the Kennedy Library given by Dave Powers and he said there was no question (he was with the Kennedys throughout their marriage) that they were two very strong, independant people, who had tremendous respect, caring and admiration for each other. Jack was broken hearted when Patrick died, and tremendously concerned for Jackie, it brought he and Jackie very close together. She said to him, “The thing I couldn’t take is if anything happened to you.”
He died less than four months later.
I think John and Jackie Kennedy must have had a very deep artistic/intellectual connection. But Gemini “twins” that he was, John F. Kennedy’s other self was purely about lust, and both twins needed attending to!
A good short book on Joan of Arc that captures her incredible native intelligence/strategic thinking and mind-boggling achievement at age 17-18 is Mary Gordon’s “Joan of Arc” [Penguin Classic]. Mary Gordon also wrote ‘Spending” and was/is (?) a Barnard English prof.
“Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc” was Mark Twain’s favorites among his own books. Joan of Arc’s life, including her own amazing words at her trial are all documented in trial transcripts. In fact, her’s is one of the most documented (vetted lol) of historic lives because of her rehabilitation trial (brought about because of her mother’s diligence), and finally the investigation by the Holy See which
culminated in sainthood. She was less religious than nationalistic, not fanatical but passionate. She was a calm center in a storm.
Her own words in her Trial Transcripts are amazing to read…I was lucky to find them in a small book in the museum bookstore of the Palace of the Legion of Honor. She had 100 clerics, lawyers, Paris educated men arrayed against her…a teenaged country girl who’d saved France and then was wounded, caputured, imprisoned in a tower, chained to a bed for a year….when she was all about freedom, nature. She was unbowed when any man would have been broken and yet without legal representation could outspar all of them….and was only condemmed to be burned at the stake by a trick of having her sign a confession that she did not/could not read.
Napolean, de Gaulle and Winston Churchill all studied her. Shakespeare, Voltaire, Schiller, Verdi, Tchaikovsky, Twain and Shaw among others, wrote major works about her. She is the patron saint of martyrs, captives, militants, prisoners, soldiers and particularly female soliders.
Here’s an incredible and inspiring image of her statue at The Palace of the Legion of Honor in San Francisco:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jeanne_d%27Arc_Joan_of_Arc_at_San_Fra…
The evidence furnished at the Trials and Rehabilitation sets forth Joan of Arc’s history in clear and minute detail, confirmed to us by oath. It gives us a vivid picture of a career and a personality of so extraordinary a character, from a career that covered 13 months.
Joan had known only country life, she had never ridden a horse, nor had a weapon in her hand; she could neither read nor write. France was falling to England in the Hundred Year War….most of the country was occupied under the most wretched of circumstances. Like Sojourner Truth rec’d her mission in the woods, Joan did under her “Fairy Tree.” [Which no longer exists but her home, church and village do.] She’d been given a mission to win back the lost kingdom and set the crown upon the new King’s head.
In just four critical days outside of Orleans she did what NO GENERAL IN HISTORY EVER HAD. Not Caesar, Nor Napolean….she won back fallen France in a key battle, and changed the course of history. Without Joan of Arc we’d all be eating soot pudding. France is France today because of Joan of Arc.
Twain:…..’Her genius was as great in a protracted exhibition of intellectual fencing against the master-minds of France; that her moral greatness was peer to her intellect… her invincible spirit……patient endurance, granite fortitude….She is the Wonder of the Ages.
“….She was born with military genius, with leonine courage, with incomparable fortitude, with a mind which was in several particulars a prodigy — a mind which included among its specialties the lawyer’s gift of detecting traps laid by the adversary in cunning and treacherous arrangements of seemingly innocent words, the orator’s gift of eloquence, the advocate’s gift of presenting a case in clear and compact form, the judge’s gift of sorting and weighing evidence, and finally, something recognizable as more than a mere trace of the statesman’s gift of understanding a political situation and how to make profitable use of such opportunities as it offers; we can comprehend how she could be born with these great qualities, but we cannot comprehend how they became immediately usable and effective without the developing forces of a sympathetic atmosphere and the training which comes of teaching, study, practice — years of practice,…It is beyond us. All the rules fail in this girl’s case.”
“…In the world’s history she stands alone — quite alone..in generalship, valor, legal talent, diplomacy, fortitude; her courage had had no education — In the history of the human intellect, untrained, inexperienced, and using only its birthright equipment of untried capacities, there is nothing which approaches this.
“…Her history has still another feature which sets her apart and leaves her without fellow or competitor…she foretold it all.
“…She was a beautiful and simple and lovable character. She was gentle and winning and affectionate, she was miserable in the presence of pain and suffering; she was full of compassion…she is easily and by far the most extraordinary person the human race has ever produced.”
“The Official Record of the Trials and Rehabilitation of Joan of Arc is the most remarkable history that exists in any language; For four hundred years it remained buried in the official archives of France from the Rehabilitation of 1456 until two generations ago. It is a deeply fascinating story in its entirety. — M. T.”
Nothing was impossible to Saint Joan of Arc or Jackie. Their archetype is in my novel, French Heart…..a coeur vaillant rein d’impossible!
PS, I met Nancy Reagan who was very sweet, like her son, Ron, Jr. Admired Lady Bird for her beautification project, and agree that Michelle Obama will be an outstanding First Lady.
Eleanor Roosevelt: an outstanding, vocal woman in her own right throughout her life, it was she who wrote a daily - daily - syndicated column called “My Day” each day for the newspapers, was out giving speeches, visiting servicemen, and was helpmate for a husband with polio. Her name remained in the news long after her husband died, as U.S. spokesperson for the United Nations. Watched by all, criticized for her “plainness”, she nevertheless was respected for her abilities and intelligence in reaching out in her own right in a way not seen before, making good headlines with her speaking ability and as a lady that we all could see could stand on her own - and did. Distinguished - yes, in the true sense of the word as probably no other.
Abigail Adams: we only know her by letters, but if you have read them, you know that in those early days, she was first who wanted women to be treated as equals. What did a woman do in those times? She wrote, and in doing so to her husband - as again she was an intelligent woman - her knowledge of government and her information may have influenced her husband far more than we know. The woman behind the throne.
As for the third: the question was “distinguished” not beautiful, sociable, or the like, so while I think Jackie Kennedy may well be the most remembered,
I am not sure she was in the class of the women above. And how in the world could we judge Michelle Obama from the relatively few times we have seen her and BEFORE we know how she will perform as First Lady? Aren’t we - as women - smarter than to put the cart before the horse?
So - for the third - who I feel really should be first - would be First Daughter
Alice Roosevelt Longworth, T.R.’s daughter - who, as I have written before, was the most active woman in politics ever. She spent her days in the balcony of the houses of Congress for a lifetime, picking off the prizes for her evening salons for 60 years - and thus encouraging a mix of politicians who could talk into the night, disagree or agree - amiably, she said - and know each other as in no other venue. Politicians did not need to be prodded to spill confidences into her ear at the constant functions as she was a one-of-a-kind personal and political “draw” into her death at 90.
WHAT a woman — my kind of woman — never letting a blade of political grass grow under her feet, full of live, full of knowledge of politics throughout the administrations that followed T.R.’s — and a dynamo of a woman. Loved her — and if you don’t read the new biography of her called “ALICE”, you are missing a woman of the world big time!
Joan,
I agree - when was Michelle Obama FIRST LADY??? Did we jump four years in the space-time continuum and everyone forgot to mention it to me?!
I do LIKE Michelle, SO FAR, but please let’s not jump the gun here, ladies. Those spots on your lists could have gone to plenty of First Ladies who put in the time and effort to earn it.
Kryssi,
I also agree that Michelle Obama has to have a history as a First Lady before she can be included. And after the 60 Minute interview when when she interrupted her husband and disagreed with him in public about missing certain things in life—I was annoyed at her.
So I told Agy I want to be Sect’y of Romantic Walks with Obama since she didn’t think that was an important element in their life worth missing. However, I certainly hope she will do well and become a part of history that will be included in this list of.
But my choices:
Eleanor, Abigal and Jackie.
Eleanor was not afraid to bring issues to the forefront even when met with controversy.
Abigal gave wise advice.
Jackie brought elegance to the White House and was much admired throughout the world.
Hillary—no so much because she was constantly linked to White Water, Tyson Chickens, Forster, secret FBI files, Travelgate, and the secrecy of her health plan that was unwilling to allow other opinions. But, I really feel she has learned her lessons from that era and changed. She is now a well-respected senator and has made many friends with Republicans. I think she learns from each mistake and grows which is why she will do well in her next campaign.
“Distinguished” means famous, outstanding. Synonyms: acclaimed, aristocratic, arresting, brilliant, celebrated, conspicuous, dignified, distingué, eminent, especial, esteemed, extraordinary, famed, foremost, glorious, great, highly regarded, honored, illustrious, imposing, marked, memorable, noble, nonpareil, peerless, prominent, remarkable, renowned, reputable, royal, shining, singular, special, stately, striking, superior, unforgettable, venerable, well-known.
By any measure…Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy was a distinguished as they come. Eleanor Roosevelt was much more publically activist and for a longer time 1933-1945 in FDR’s administration and onward including in helping set up JFK’s first ever President’s Council on the Status of Women. Jackie preferred to work behind the scenes and without notice.
Here is one ranking of the 100 Most Influential Women in History. I certainly do not agree with it.
I agree with Mark Twain that Joan of Arc was the most exceptional human being that ever lived bar none. Had she not saved France from falling in the 100 Year War…there’d have been no 18th C French Enlightenment on which the US Constitution was based. She completely changed the course of European history, No woman in history, ever achieved what she did and in only one year on the public stage.
[Joan Ganz Cooney is # 83 on this list.]
1 Eleanor Roosevelt
2 Marie Curie
3 Margaret Sanger
4 Margaret Mead
5 Jane Addams
6 Mary Wollstonecraft
7 Susan B. Anthony
8 Elizabeth Cady Stanton
9 Harriet Tubman
10 The Virgin Mary
11 Georgia O’Keeffe
12 Frances Perkins
13 Jane Austen
14 Mary Harris “Mother” Jones
15 Simone de Beauvoir
16 Queen Elizabeth I
17 Rosa Parks
18 Helen Keller
19 Anne Sullivan
20 Sojourner Truth
21 Queen Isabella
22 Florence Nightingale
23 Karen Horney
24 Angelina Grimke
25 Sarah Moore Grimke
26 Elizabeth Blackwell
27 George Eliot
28 Ida Bell Wells-Barnett
29 Betty Friedan
30 Rachel Carson
31 Ella Baker
32 Hannah Arendt
33 Mother Teresa
34 Melanie Klein
35 Emily Dickinson
36 Golda Meir
37 Virginia Woolf
38 Queen Victoria Anglican
39 Martha Graham
40 Zora Neale Hurston
41 Harriet Beecher Stowe
42 Rosa Luxemburg
43 Mary McLeod Bethune
44 Charlotte Bronte
45 Emily Bronte
46 Catherine the Great
47 Carrie Chapman Catt
48 Jane Goodall
49 Emma Goldman
50 Hillary Rodham Clinton
51 Coco Chanel
52 Grace Murray Hopper
53 Barbara McClintock
54 Gertrude Stein
55 Joan of Arc
56 Indira Gandhi
57 Louise Nevelson
58 Emrneline Pankhurst
59 Dorothea Lange
60 Agnes De Mille
61 Sappho
62 Nadia Boulanger
63 Gwendolyn Brooks
64 Maria Montessori
65 Marian Anderson
66 Anne Frank
67 Babe Didrikson Zaharias
68 Margaret Thatcher
69 Mary Cassatt
70 Sarah Bernhardt
71 Aung San Suu Kyi
72 Amelia Earhart
73 Murasaki Shikibu
74 Toni Morrison
75 Gloria Steinem
76 Christine de Pisan
77 Margaret Bourke-White
78 Frida Kahlo
79 Gabriela Mistral
80 Flannery O’Connor
81 Katharine Graham
82 Bessie Smith
83 Joan Ganz Cooney
84 Cleopatra
85 Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy Onassis
86 Sandra Day O’Connor
87 Ruth Bader Ginsburg
88 Jessie Redmon Fauset
89 Wu Chao
90 Billie Holiday
91 Marilyn Monroe
92 Frances Willard
93 Elisabeth Kubler-Ross
94 Mary Pickford
95 Leni Riefenstahl
96 Katharine Hepburn
97 Billie Jean King
98 Princess Diana
99 Lucille Ball
100 Oprah Winfrey
Who on earth made up this list? Anne Frank? She was a girl, not a woman. What a hodge podge ––might as well throw in any woman that made a name for herself. Oh, well, glad Joan was on the list because she belongs.
Eleanor Roosevelt would be my first pick. After that it would depend on the influence they had on their husbands and the public, I would think. Jackie Kennedy was a woman who had enormous appeal not only in this country, but throughout the world. What she brought to the White House was a touch of class that has not been executed since. Abigail Adams was John’s soul mate; she was the glue that kept him together. It must not be an easy task to be First Lady and for those that have accomplished it well, and there certainly have been many, ten gun salutes go out in honor and gratitude

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