Question of the Day | 08/18/2008 12:00 am
Who would you like to see John McCain choose for his vice-presidential running mate?

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Now, now, he has to pick someone…
Before I put my foot in it, I think I will say that my dog’s not in this fight.
Nitey, nite…

Well I will hope for one thing he picks someone stable so that when he goes in full Alzheimers there’s someone to replace him.
I don’t know Frank, he is holding up pretty good. And staying on point pretty good these days. Hey, 72 doesn’t seem that far away anymore. It will be here for both of us before we know it. When my mother was 72 she went to Japan for a year of school, to learn Japanese and brush painting. She turned out to be a little celebrity because of her age and ability to keep up.

Frannie, no he isn’t—he is forgetful, garbles points that are important, misconstrues the facts of recent history, let alone geography and from what I’ve read In the NY TImes and the Washington Post he’s driving his staff crazy because of these errors. That is not a man in charge of his memory at all.
Frank,
He does pretty well in the town hall meetings. He was okay the other day with Pastor Rick Warren. Obama did an hour, and then McCain did an hour. They were separate interviews, but Warren asked them each the same questions. Both of them got a warn reception from the Evangelicals, and applause of their answers. It played on c-span. They may replay it this week. They both seemed like they were on the stump. Warren did okay trying to get them away from that. He asked things the evangelicals are concerned about.

And that is another things that scares me Frannie: his pandering to the Fundies and his stance on Roe vs Wade and on women’s rights.
Frank
They are both pandering to the fundamentalists, why do you think Obama showed up? C’mon Frank, these are seasoned campaigners, they know what they have to do to pick up the votes. It seemed to me that Obama had constituents among the parishioners. He got applause at different points in the interview from the Fundies to responses I thought they would disagree with. It was interesting. McCain got great applause responses from them. Obama, as usual, was thoughtful, a little circular in his answers on subjects he doesn’t agree on with them, like abortion, but I thought it was brave of him to go, because he had to know the subject was going to come up.
McCain’s answers were quicker and to the point, and firm in what he believed. As if he was proving to them that he could get the job out. He was intelligent and thoughtful as well. His wife was in the audience. They loved that.
Interviews of some members of the audience seemed very fair in their critique of both. They had kind things to say about both of them.
I don’t judge the fundies, I try not to judge anyone for that matter. The Evangelicals are people, just like the rest of us, trying to get along in a world they can’t control.
I want to add, I don’t judge Obama or McCain. To me judging someone says they should be different, or they are not good enough, or that they are either good or evil. On the other hand, I believe it is necessary to use whatever tools at hand to evaluate character and motive, and in the case of politicians, their political position on issues. Evaluation keeps me from personalizing others, as if what they do or say has power over my life. You won’t find me calling them evil. It just brings it into your own life.
Principles before personalities.

Evangelicals are not like me by a long stretch and never will be—but yes you have a good point. I think catering to them is dangerous—but that’s just my opinion—I’m a firm believer in the separation of church and state and when the the church of any denomination sticks its nose into State and Federal business were in trouble, Render unto Caesar says it all but rendering by no means trying to subvert and influence the government. And that is what I find dangerous about religion in the US. I know of one fundie church here that orders its parishioners to bring their ballots to church and be directed on how to vote and this I heard by an active member of said church—Now that is dangerous as all hell. Frannie. The founders of this nations specifically set out this country with separation in mind and not just from England but church and stae.
Frank,
I am with you regarding the separation of church and state. I go further, I think there should be a separation of special interests and state. Those are the ones that are running the government. They have more influence than the Evangelicals. Less numbers and more influence.
Frank, Obama said he wanted to increase funding of Faith based groups, so go figure. I kind of agree with that, because instead of the religious groups funding govt, govt. is funding faith. They are getting breaks to put money back into their communities, because they keep more kids on the straight and narrow, and support after school programs in the inner cities, and have more influence than social work. I wonder if Obama took that position in order to appease the fundamentalists and the African American churches?
You said Fundie churches tell their people how to vote, but doesn’t that also occur in African American Churches. For the past 20 years or more, politicians have been going to the African American churches to speak, during the service, not always in a civil forum like the other night. So go figure.
I think it happens more than we know.
A friend of mine recently went to a church that had a prayer list in the bulletin—at the top: “Pray for government..”
She will never go back.
Star
I don’t know, I think government and the people that run it can use all the help they can get. Maybe it will open their eyes.
I have been an Episcopalian for over 60 years, and it is always in our Prayers of the People, in the liturgy, to pray for our government leaders: “We beseech thee also so to rule the hearts of those who bear the authority of government in this and every land, especially our president, our governor, our mayor, that they may be lead to wise decisions and right actions for the welfare and peace of the world.”
As far as AA churches, what does that mean? AA was founded by members of the Oxford Movement and associated originally at Calvary Episcopal Church in NY in the mid-30’s. So, what does an AA church have to do with telling people how to vote?
The ones around here that do that, and believe me they are well known for this are the Southern Baptists and lots of Fundamentalist Churches throughout the area.

Frannie whether churches telling parishioners how to vote goes on in AA churches I don’t know.—now separation of Gov’t and special interests has my vote whole-heartedly. I’d like to kick the damned lobbyists across the Potomac and tell them to stay there. And some reporter too until they can find their cojones. As for funding faith-based groups I agree that depends on the cause and the group: AIDS prevention in Africa fine; No Child Left behind does nothing but spend money that should be put into the classroom and put that money in the hands of bureaucrats. Social work I agree with as long as the proselyting is keep to a minimum. Good ideas Frannie my friend ;-)
Frank
AA churches? They have a lot of influence on their voters. During Jim Crow days, it was the only safe place to get together and discuss politics because they weren’t interfered with in church. So I think it is an unintended evolution of the African American church. Obviously, I could not tell you for sure, but doesn’t it make you wonder why so many politicians go to AA services?

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