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Question of the Day | 03/04/2009 11:00 pm

March Is Women's History Month. What is the most important moment in U.S. history for the advancement of women? Biggest setback?

Betty Friedan leads march in 1971 to show support for the E.R.A.

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Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 03/04/2009 11:00 pm

Joan Ganz Cooney: Younger Women Lack Interest

Getting the vote was probably the greatest single advancement for women.

In my lifetime, there have been many other advances, but my deepest disappointment in recent years has been the lack of interest among younger women in feminism and what remains to be done, particularly when it comes to jobs and pay.

Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 03/04/2009 11:00 pm

Liz Smith, Gloria Steinem and the Burning of Bras

I was actually born about three years after the 19th Amendment was passed, giving women the right to vote. That was pretty darned important. But even that didn’t change everything overnight. We are still trying to get out from behind the eight ball when it comes to pay and other important issues.

I think the biggest setback happened when the "bra burning" myth came into existence. I lived through the schism when Women’s Liberation fought its way through its own split between straight women and lesbians. That was not our finest hour.

But actually, I leave all this kind of certainty to my braver "sisters" and Gloria Steinem. I stepped daintily into Gloria’s footprints and followed. I never led in this fight; I didn’t realize how to do so. I was selfishly having my own kind of success and I didn’t realize at the time how important everything happening around me really was.
Candice Bergen

Candice Bergen | 03/04/2009 11:00 pm

Candice Bergen on the Greatest Moment in Women's History

Getting the vote. By far. Hard as it is to imagine.

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James the Game

The most important advancement for women may’ve been the right to vote. But I am dismayed by continuing disparities between men and women in terms of pay, and the steel ceiling women haven’t been able to penetrate when it comes to accessing certain top corporate positions.

Furthermore, I believe that, although there were great advances made, in recent years there has been a bit of a back-sliding. As civil-rights historian Cheryl Townsend Gilkes told me last week, many young people today are oblivious to the history of struggles, and the great strides made since the 1960’s.

Stereotypes still prevail in many areas. Women like U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm having to walk around in business suits and so forth, in order to conform, rather than (literally) being allowed to let their hair down a little. What we’ve learned is that it’s fine and dandy to have a high-paying position near the top of the ladder, but it’s not okay to be on the top step.

I suspect that there won’t be a female U.S. president in any of our lifetimes. I doubt that there will be equal pay for equal work any time soon. Women will continue to be victims of domestic abuse, without adequate safety nets, in many areas.

I rail against these things, because I’ve experienced it in my own family. My mother slaved her life away in a hot kitchen, literally breaking her neck for near-minimum wage. A sister almost being killed by a psycho husband, with nowhere to turn.

I applaud the women - and men - who’ve fought so hard to level the playing field over the years.

By James the Game on 03/04/2009 11:36 pm
joan larsen

Thank you, James, for being first to say that perhaps our greatest strides as women - and not individuals - is our right to vote.  Unlike you though, I do believe that - if we are young enough - we WILL see a woman president in our lifetimes.  However, as always, I will continue to say that when the time comes for our contry’s highest office, we still must keep first and foremost in our minds that we will need - more than ever - the most qualified PERSON in the job and not let gender get in the way in our decisions.  But with the number of prominent women rising in government who will have sufficient longevity to develop the expertise needed, there is no doubt that the cream will rise to the top. 

As for setbacks, though women have made great strides through a tumultuous history, women have endured many setbacks and wounds in the past. Inequality between the sexes continues to persist, women still get less income than men for doing the same work, their chances of getting hired or promoted are fewer, and they are still in the minority in positions of power.  But we do see changes in the wind.  Women are now not only the majority in colleges, but many are going for the advanced degrees needed for professional positions needed, and have more opportunities to prove themselves (for instance, I see more and more women doctors advancing to high positions in the medical field in the university hospitals especially).  So many have their foot in the doors of business and other fields, that I consider them the forefront of a sea change in the esteem that women are going to be considered in the years to come. 

Face it, ladies, we are now a confident, educated force growing larger by the year, not afraid to speak out on our thoughts - and yes, we are a force to be reckoned with in the months and years to come.  We shall overcome - I just know it!!!!

By joan larsen on 03/05/2009 12:37 am
Bonnie Oliver

Most important moment in US history for the advancement of women?

My initial thought was of the Suffragettes and the ordeals those women had to overcome, including Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony, not only from society at large but they were also fighting against history.  In Britain, the Pankhurst women also come to mind.  The right for women to vote in free elections.  It is a showstopper of an answer to the question.

However, I then began to think of some of the women of the Civil War era and the female abolitionists who were actually early suffragettes, without the title, but who set aside their own desires for suffrage in order to join a greater cause;  the end of slavery in America.  Harriet Beecher Stowe is probably one of the most prominent of these women because of her anti-slavery novel.  But women like Harriet Tubman also come to mind.  Yes, I think this is the answer to the question… a time when women began for the first time to speak out publicly and to challenge the elected officials of the country and to question the very document that sets down the foundation of our government, The American Constitution.

The worst moment?  In America I am not sure.  In England it would have to be when the great Winston Churchill spoke out against the Suffragettes.  If I am not mistaken, I do think one of the women chucked something at him;  a piece of fruit?  I do not recall.   Does anyone here remember?

By Bonnie Oliver on 03/05/2009 3:34 am
Catherine L

The successes and failures don’t have to be big to be important.  The little ones are so telling and have such a huge impact on their own.

There remain so many little advances women still need to make before the big ones will truly come to stay. We need to mentor each other and we need to celebrate ourselves and our predecessors.

Heard as I sat in a meeting of WLSA (Women’s Law Student Association) at my law school 2 years ago.  The officers were discussing that year’s celebration of women’s law day, the day to celebrate the acceptance of women at the law school.  Only instead of a discussion of who those women were and what they could accomplish, these bright and ambitious women spent almost an hour debating what pink outfits they would wear.

Or (worse? more exasperating? or just another?) this morning’s flip through the MSN portal (lifestyle section, my  life link) where I found to my delight a link for a special ‘women’s history month’ section
only to end goggling over my mug of morning tea when i discovered that the cover story for the section included perky photos of (young!)Farrah Fawcett and Jennifer Anniston:
 "The Hair Hall of Fame: Trendsetters of the last 70 years"

Now I like pink, and I do take my time fixing my hair in the morning but.. really?  These are the important issues and celebrations  for women in the 21st century?

By Catherine L on 03/05/2009 6:40 am
f p
The best: the right to vote and the biggest set-back: the ERA. And though a set-back still a victory in that a woman was finally nearly nominated for president. You rock Hils.
By f p on 03/05/2009 6:46 am
laureen f
The best…definately the vote.  The worst…the feminists that turned the equal rights movement into hating and despising men, and turning respect for our bodies into the display of it.
By laureen f on 03/05/2009 7:31 am
Sam Mirando
How about the day that contraception was legalized?  "On June 7, 1965, the US Supreme Court struck down a Connecticut law prohibiting married couples from using artificial contraception."  I’d rather be able to have fewer babies than to be able to vote, if I had to choose.  How about you?
By Sam Mirando on 03/05/2009 7:45 am
Diana T

That’s a tough question.  Of course, the Suffragettes and getting the right to vote.  But, I also think of what women went through to be able to go to Medical, Law and Architectural School.  The thought of a woman doctor at one time was inconceivable.

James is also correct.  I think we are obviously breaking the glass ceiling, and we are seeing daily the women that are making a difference in our world.  I do think of FDR, though, because his Sec’y of Labor throughout his administration was a woman, Frances Perkins, from 1933-45.  I wonder how she did it back then.  And Joan,  I think even at my age, I will live to see a woman president.  Have no doubt.

But, women in the developing countries are still in the Dark Ages.  Still chattel controlled by a very cruel social structure.  They haven’t discovered yet what they can accomplish when they empower themselves.  And, in places like Afghanistan, they are still prevented from even attending school. 

By Diana T on 03/05/2009 7:51 am
CYNTHIA NEIL

The best is certainly the right to vote.   The biggest setback… that we still subborn our needs to the wants of men.  That we STILL define ourselves using a male based value system   This plays out in so many ways, defining fashion with Laboutin heels that destroy our spines and our feet.  Requiring the Equal Rights movement to hate men to have validity.   We turn woman against woman, career lady against stay at home mom, when both are beautiful powerful role models.   We dress six year olds like tarts because all the role models out there for girls use sexuality to create appeal I don’t care if it is Barbie or Miley Cyrus.

Even the most powerful women stop short of creating a new paradigm.   Yes, Hillary is Sec.State and almost made it to the Presidency, but she had to (in her own mind) "stand by her man" to get the shot.   She put her hopes in Bill Clinton and had to suffer multiple humiliations along the way.  His wants always over rode her needs in his mind, and that was acceptable to her.   When will we create social sign posts that teach our daughters to honor their own needs first, and see masculine behavior for what it is without coloring it with fantasy or excuse. 

By CYNTHIA NEIL on 03/05/2009 7:54 am
Murphy Mac
There are too many answers from the above people that I agree with. However, I do believe the most important achievement for women is the passage of the 19th Amendment, the women’s right to vote. It is also maddening to think this "right" was not already one of our rights from the very beginning of this country. Why we have to "fight" for everything that men have as a matter of course is just ridiculous. When I have male children who have more rights than I, as their mother, why is that the case? If it were not for a female, the males wouldn’t even be here in the first place!
By Murphy Mac on 03/05/2009 8:16 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe
Your frustration, Margaret, re: rights for us taking so long and still not completed explains the anger and passion that women have had to muster in order to fight the good fight all these years. Then think of our black Americans and what they have had to go through and are still going through, our gay and lesbian Americans,––––––the list is long. You can thank/ curse religion for a lot of this prejudice as well as the patriarchal mindset from centuries past. There are, of course, other factors, money looming large, but the theme is the same–––some on the top want to keep some on the bottom.
By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 03/05/2009 9:51 am
Murphy Mac

phyllis,

I couldn’t agree with you more… and I would hazard a guess that we must share parts of each other’s brain because you are the one who had the courage to mention religion. I thought about the other groups that you mentioned but didn’t have a lot of time to get into it. And your last comment about some needing to be on top (power, control) so they need someone on the bottom, well another agreement between me and you. 

I may write more later. Got to go get coiffed!

Later,

Margaret

By Murphy Mac on 03/05/2009 10:34 am
Chrome Toe

In terms of advancement getting the vote, Roe Vs. Wade, access to birth control (I’ve got a 69 year old friend whose doctor denied her birth control in her 20’s when she had four kids already), laws defining gender discrimination… all have been important steps.

However.. in the last decade I think we’ve seen our largest set back. it’s been a defining by the media of young women as nothing more important than their value as a sperm recepticale. That might sound harsh. but what we’ve done to girls with the copious amounts of internet porn, sexual videos, reality shows like "rock of love", "making of the band", "top model". We have so dumbed down the feminist movement and so dumbed down our expectations of women it’s incredible. The kind of abuse and demeaning behavior that girls are willing to accept is shocking. and we’ve done that with our celebrity worship and our unwillingness to protect girls from the media.

as you can see i’m passionate about this. It’s amazing to me. it’s horrible and irresponsible. when songs like "smack that" are top 40 songs and played every day like they are just "okay". were telling our girls they have no value. and i’m not a prude. i’m not a moralist. but i can see the affect on our kids. both male and female. we’re going to really regret this some day as a society. and if girls don’t stand up for themselves the consequences will be huge. I’m not sure they know how to stand up anymore. it’s been so ingrained in them to accept this that they dont’ know what’ it’s done to them.

By Chrome Toe on 03/05/2009 8:27 am
Sam Mirando
Very true.  One can tell a lot about society’s take on women by the shoes that women wear.  Any woman who allows society to impose on her the need or wish to teeter around in five-inch heels has fallen for the idea that she should value being sexy over the inability to walk any distance.  Bravo, Michelle Obama, for making flats fashionable again and for showing off those powerful shoulders!  FLOTUS is a great role model!!
By Sam Mirando on 03/05/2009 8:33 am
Lee Harrison

Sam,

Brilliant comment about the constraints of 5" heels.  They’re really not much better than bound feet in old China! 

By Lee Harrison on 03/05/2009 3:11 pm