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Question of the Day | 03/04/2009 11:00 pm

March Is Women's History Month. What is the most important moment in U.S. history for the advancement of women? Biggest setback?

Betty Friedan leads march in 1971 to show support for the E.R.A.

vfa.us/Suffrage.htm
Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 03/04/2009 11:00 pm

Joan Ganz Cooney: Younger Women Lack Interest

Getting the vote was probably the greatest single advancement for women.

In my lifetime, there have been many other advances, but my deepest disappointment in recent years has been the lack of interest among younger women in feminism and what remains to be done, particularly when it comes to jobs and pay.

Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 03/04/2009 11:00 pm

Liz Smith, Gloria Steinem and the Burning of Bras

I was actually born about three years after the 19th Amendment was passed, giving women the right to vote. That was pretty darned important. But even that didn’t change everything overnight. We are still trying to get out from behind the eight ball when it comes to pay and other important issues.

I think the biggest setback happened when the "bra burning" myth came into existence. I lived through the schism when Women’s Liberation fought its way through its own split between straight women and lesbians. That was not our finest hour.

But actually, I leave all this kind of certainty to my braver "sisters" and Gloria Steinem. I stepped daintily into Gloria’s footprints and followed. I never led in this fight; I didn’t realize how to do so. I was selfishly having my own kind of success and I didn’t realize at the time how important everything happening around me really was.
Candice Bergen

Candice Bergen | 03/04/2009 11:00 pm

Candice Bergen on the Greatest Moment in Women's History

Getting the vote. By far. Hard as it is to imagine.

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rocky rocky
Lovely book, that. A must-read for all women, young and old.
By rocky rocky on 03/06/2009 9:36 am
Gerardine Baugh

The most important moment:

 Getting the vote, and when women were allowed to work outside the home, without getting permission from their husbands or employers.

 

Biggest setback:

When women allow themselves to be victimized without speaking up against; harassment, lower pay, insults, mental and physical abuse, whether it’s happening at home, or at work. The worst is when other woman don’t believe its happening, because its 2009.  It is very hard to stand up and say, NO!   

You will still lose your job and possibly a career when you take a stand.

By Gerardine Baugh on 03/05/2009 4:56 pm
nanchan u

Geraldine: your post came at a very strange time for me today.

One of my former co-workers (a woman, no less!)  started to spread rumors about me when I was working at the company (I left in June).  She was convinced I was having some kind of torrid affair with a male co-worker (she was WRONG!  I never saw him outside the building!)  I had a great working relationship with the guy so she took it to mean that I was having an affair with him.  It got to the point where she had our management thinking something was going on.  Everytime we would be in meetings, both the guy and I were careful not to sit next to each other, look at each other… it felt like being in junior high school.  What a nightmare: I was glad when they laid me off!  But this co-worker wasn’t finished.

The gossip monger, because she is afraid of losing her job, has systematically started rumours about everyone whom she considers a threat.  Sound familiar to any of you ladies out there in WOW land?  I’m sure we all know people like this.  We had another co-worker, who has never married.  Ms. Gossip Monger started a rumour that our co-worker, never married, is GAY

Now, it’s ridiculous that people would think that sexual orientation has anything to do with work performance.  But at this very conservative company, it does.  All the sudden, our never married co-worker was getting strange looks from everybody, people were treating her differently.  She ultimately went to HR, but the case was dropped today because it’s basically "one person’s word against each other".

So, while I agree with the posts above that the most important moments are getting the vote (natch!) and reproductive freedom, I agree with you that our biggest setback is the fact that we are still allowed to be victimized.  And the saddest part of that, as I wrote above, is that it often happens by women against women.  Not helping the cause…..

By nanchan u on 03/05/2009 7:49 pm
Gerardine Baugh

 Thank you for your response to my comment.

 nanchan u , I agree with your statement : “And the saddest part of that, as I wrote above, is that it often happens by women against women.  Not helping the cause…..” 

Why harassment is still tolerated in the work place? Why do women have to go outside their workplace to make it stop?  Maybe if the names of the companies were posted on the internet, or in the papers. The problems would be stopped before these women loose their jobs.

 

When a woman is in a position previously held by men she shouldn’t have to endure violent angry repercussions from co-workers who believe women shouldn’t work there.

 EEOC v. T-Mobile USA

http://eeoc.gov/litigation/settlements/settlement11-05.html

 

How many others walked away from their jobs? How many more of our daughters will have to go though the same issues, before they finally stop?

 

The last company I worked for, my immediate supervisor, was a woman, she degraded the women who worked under her and insulted the ones above.  

 

How many women will read this post and wonder what they can do to help. When you’re at work, stand up with the person being victimized. Don’t sit back and say nothing. Worried about your job, tell HR, keep a paper trail.

By Gerardine Baugh on 03/05/2009 10:03 pm
eileen foley

In this country the ERA looms large as the greatest achievement of women. So does the inclusion of women in men’s jobs during World War II, and available for women as for men. The downside, the failure of the ERA, the ousting of women from those jobs to make way for returning veterans, andthe slight grasp too many young women today have about what women before them have done to make their lives comfortable and livable.  Without that awareness they lose the grit to do what they may need to do to keep equality in their lives. It comes with a price, among them giving up the comforts of the perceptions instilled in one’s upbringing, not taking situations for granted, freeing oneself from some of the ties that bind. A friend in Pennsylvania, for example,  with 13 years of Catholic education under her belt, some10 or 15 years ago talked her daughtger out of attending a formerly all-male Catholic college in the midwest by asking one questiion:  Would you be happy dear, hanging out day in and day out and taking instruction from people who prefer to live their lives without women in them? 

 I cringe too, when Oprah, to be grandly respected in most ways, not only wears, but touts the beauty of 5-inch heels.  Some 58 years ago I worked in the office of an orthopedic surgeon who showed me how they could lead to spiral fractures of the leg and other mishaps.  He also had pictures of x-rays of how feet in ultra-high heels look and how the bound feet of Chinese women looked.  There were huge similarities. It easily took me a decade to know, in my feet, that he was a hundred percent right. Maybe Dr. Oz will lecture Oprah on the subject as well. 

Liz shouldn’t feel bad about spending her time in the 1970s with her nose to the grindstone, taking little comfort in what women outside it were trying to achieve.  It is, was, and always will be useful to have people on the inside with connections, as she did then and does now. We do what we can as we see it.

By eileen foley on 03/05/2009 5:19 pm
Mommy Dearest

Suffrage has advanced us, dears.  And unequal pay, with the financial burden that accompanies reduction of reproductive rights, has most held us back.

By Mommy Dearest on 03/05/2009 7:53 pm
Harriet C.
My mom told me how excited & happy she was when women finally won the vote & she cast her first ballot & how she refused to tell my father how she voted.
By Harriet C. on 03/05/2009 8:45 pm
rocky rocky

Voting and women. Brings to mind a very brave soul: Ms Septima Poinsette Clark. Born in 1898, spent her 89 years fighting for the voting rights of African Americans, who had long been left out of the voting process for lack of education. She led and worked in the literacy movement. For her own recollections of working with the poor and illiterate along with the Rev Martin Luther King Jr and other very well know civil rights leaders of the time, go to:

http://docsouth.unc.edu/sohp/playback.html?base_file=G-0017&duration=01:26:08

By rocky rocky on 03/05/2009 9:14 pm
kermie b

I don’t think there is any single advancement that can explain how different my life is from my own mother’s.  I made an informed choice, early on in life, not to have children.  My mother had five children by the time she was 30 because that is what Catholics of her generation were expected to do.

I always worked outside the home.  Her work was the home (with five kids, yes, I look back and don’t envy her one bit).  I never heard her argue with my father; he ran the family, his word was the last word on every topic.  My boyfriend of 14 years and I disagree occasionally and it makes us equals.  No way were my parents equal partners; that is laughable.

My parents died when I was very young, but I knew what they expected of the three girls and two boys in my family.  The boys had their futures planned out for them by my father.  With the girls a higher education was considered a waste of money because "girls just get married and pregnant."  I actually heard these words from my father’s mouth.  I always wondered what his parents had done to him to make him hate women so much.  I never dared ask him that.  One did not challenge him.

I am single, in a committed relationship, and happily worked my way through college.  If my father had lived, I would have been required to live at home until marriage, because that is what "nice girls" did.  My oldest sister had a great job opportunity she had to turn down because my father did not approve of her living with roommates in a large city.  She has regretted this her entire life.  

My freedom to pursue the life I genuinely want was paved by many women before me.  I am conscious of that fact and grateful.  Most of all, I am grateful for the right to control my reproductive freedom and the means to prevent being dependent on a man for my needs.  I learned that lesson by seeing my parents’ relationship for what it really was, not the romanticized view my brothers still see. 

By kermie b on 03/05/2009 11:28 pm
rocky rocky
Gosh, Kermie. Your story is so touching, so sad. It brought back to mind similar instances in my life. I’d nearly forgotten. And am surprised by the bitterness I still feel. How difficult those times were. I must think of all the women of our culture, our ancestors, who never had a chance to express themselves fully or some at all … I would so like to greet them, meet them, find out who and how they were … Perhaps they all are in me and my children and grandchildren, and somehow here today as well … urging us still to do and be all we can.
By rocky rocky on 03/06/2009 9:48 am
kermie b
Rocky 2—Thank you, but I don’t consider my story to be sad.  My mother’s short life (she died at 42) was sad, but she gave me love and encouragement.  Maybe it is the youngest child syndrome—I dared to do what was forbidden to the rest—but I got away.  My mother has taken up permanent residence in my heart and mind.  That is what she contributed to my life.  She could’ve have done amazing things for herself if she had gotten the chance.
By kermie b on 03/06/2009 1:14 pm
kermie b
Rocky—You said it brought up similar instances in your life.  Do you want to share an example? 
By kermie b on 03/06/2009 1:16 pm
rocky rocky
You are kind to ask, Kermie. Thank you. Maybe some day. Too many wounds still healing — after all these years and years. And my energy is so low these days. I’ve got to find time to exercise … Sounds like a non sequitur, doesn’t it? But when fighting depression, I’ve found for me there’s nothing better than m-o-v-i-n-g, and that goes for memories as well. I must move on …
By rocky rocky on 03/06/2009 1:56 pm
kermie b
Yep.  I understand moving on.
By kermie b on 03/06/2009 10:04 pm
C jay

The incredible fight our sisters put forth, internationally, to have the right to VOTE.

The worst set-back: women’s constant struggle to have control over their own bodies; fighting annually for the rights afforded all Americans, except women. Sara Weddington knew what was to come, and the intervening years have proved that it’s a private matter between a woman and her physicians; however, that is not yet totally afforded to women. Disgraceful. (IMHO, it has nothing to do with personal beliefs - if we realized what people do that we have no knowlege about, we’d all shut up.)

By C jay on 03/08/2009 12:56 pm