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Question of the Day | 10/30/2009 4:00 am

David Letterman vs. John Edwards: When someone comes clean about their wrongdoing, are you more willing to forgive them?

When someone comes clean about their wrongdoing (Don Imus, David Letterman), are you more willing to forgive them than when someone lies about their wrongdoing (Martha Stewart, John Edwards)? Candice Bergen, Mary Wells, Liz Smith and Joan Ganz Cooney start the conversation …
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Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 10/30/2009 12:00 am

Liz Smith 'Despises' John Edwards, 'Loves' Martha Stewart

Hey, has John Edwards "come clean" – he just keeps making matters worse. I despise this guy; how dare he try to be president with his private behavior. He could have ruined the Democratic Party. But I thought Imus was/is wonderful the way he tried to actually make amends, going to see the young women he had insulted and raising money for them. I am withholding a result on David Letterman but I guess if all his co-workers can forgive him and his wife can forgive him, and CBS can forgive him because he is one of their stars, then he should live and be well. I love Martha Stewart and I thought she really paid her debt to society; I thought the circumstances of her indictment for insider trading were suspicious at best. It all depends on how the indicted behave. She was a champ and emerged from prison to overcome all obstacles. 
Mary Wells

Mary Wells | 10/30/2009 12:00 am

Mary Wells Is Warming Up to Don Imus and David Letterman

Oh my, yes. Don Imus handled himself well. And David Letterman did too. I am not great fans of either but I feel more warmth toward them now than before. Don’t you think that John Edwards has been in a thick mental and emotional fog or on daytime sleeping pills or came from Mars?  
Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 10/30/2009 12:00 am

Joan Ganz Cooney: If Bill Would Have Come Clean in the Beginning

I would hardly compare Martha Stewart to John Edwards. Martha’s small problem was greatly compounded by her prominence. Had she been an unknown, she would almost certainly not been sent to jail. I just felt sorry for her. John Edwards is a liar and a cad and recklessly put his political party and country at risk. Letterman did the right thing, coming clean, when threatened with blackmail but his behavior with women who work for him is hardly admirable. I think lying about sex is an automatic response when one is caught so I never judged Clinton harshly, although I would have preferred that he come clean and resign. We would have had Al Gore then as president and probably avoided the Bush years altogether.
Candice Bergen

Candice Bergen | 10/30/2009 12:00 am

Candice Bergen on How the Sex Scandal Turned Letterman Into a 'Mensch'

The wrongdoing thing is interesting because it can diminish people in an instant. Clinton crumbled. Edwards — roadkill. Letterman, on the other hand, has so far emerged greatly enhanced. We happened to be watching the night he made his confession and it was masterful. Spellbinding. He handled it brilliantly. Honest, intelligent, articulate, humble.

Speed is also a factor. How quickly and decisively someone responds determines the reaction. Letterman emerged as more humane, more manly, more of a mensch than before.

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Belinda Joy

100% Yes!

I not only admire honesty in others, but I respect the person all the much more for having the integrity to be honest. It’s only when people choose to lie or cover-up a misdoing that I lose faith and trust in them. And if you don’t have trust, what do you have?

There are the exceptions however. John Edwards cheated on his wife who has cancer. There is something about that unfortunately, that makes me despise him. He lied to her, lied to his mistress, lied to the country and now all is suppose to be forgiven? We all have our faults and we all have skeletons in our closets, no one is without sin. But there are some sins…some deceptions that in my opinion can never be forgiven

But then again John Edwards, David Letterman and others could care less what little ol’ Belinda Joy thinks of them.

By Belinda Joy on 10/30/2009 9:26 am
Susan B.

The thing we are overlooking is that it essentially is none of our business.  These affairs are between the three people involved, but somehow we get sidetracked with the gory details of famous people’s private lives.  While Osama bin Laden was planning the 9/11 attack’s we were busy munching popcorn and watching Bill Clinton play media gladiator to the hungry lions in the republican party.  I was a republican back then and I didn’t agree with the spectacle they made out of what was essentially between Bill, Hillary and Ms. Lewinsky.  Our whole nation stopped for years and circled these people like vultures wanting their scrap of rancid flesh.

What have we become that our appetites for this sort of thing can not be satisfied, or is this just the only tripe the media can cook up nightly? I don’t know the whole thing is bizarre and I think especially in the Edwards case it is sort of sick for us to watch and know about.

By Susan B. on 10/30/2009 9:44 am
Baby  Snooks
I’ve often wondered what would have happened had Bill Clinton just said "it’s really none of your busineess" and ignored it all. 
By Baby Snooks on 10/30/2009 10:22 am
Maggie W

I don’t look to David Letterman for spiritual guidance, and he is a not a person aspiring to make policy decisions for this country.  What he does is his private life is no concern of mine.  I like his show and will continue watching.

The terrorists were just beginning a full court press when Bill Clinton was frolicking with a cutie in a blue dress and beret.  He should have been giving 100% of his attention to the job at hand rather than ducking from Hillary’s flying dishes and making asinine remarks about the true definition of "IS".

There will be impeachment recommendations for Mark Sanford during a special legislature.  I support that.  While he was scheming and weaving his Appalachian tale, he should have been focused on the job he was elected to do.  While Mark was admiring tan lines in Argentina, no one knew how or where to locate him if there had been a state emergency or natural disaster.

By Maggie W on 10/30/2009 10:02 am
Barbara B

Belinda I always enjoy your take on issues.  I agree with you about John Edwards.  Doing what he did while his wife was dealing with cancer is digusting.  I always agree the honesty if best.  If we had that more in our political arena with both Dems & Reps we Americans would be in better shape. 

I think they do care what the public thinks because they choose the public life.  I always said to my family if I were really rich or famous I would not want my life out there for all to see.  Sometimes just getting by, being happy, enjoying love ones and taking things day to day is being Rich without the drama.  Edwards is scum, Good for Letterman for being a man about it, and Martha got the penalty she deserved and moved on.  Famous or not everyone should be held to the same standard. If you live your life famous and in the newspapers that goes with the territory.  Suck it up.

By Barbara B on 10/30/2009 10:09 am
Chrome Toe
Depends on if they are actually coming clean because at heart they are people with integrity or if they are coming clean because at heart they are slimballs (read John Edwards) and are trying to cover their asses.
By Chrome Toe on 10/30/2009 10:09 am
C Hardy

Yes its nice when someone can be honest from the beginning but these men and woman was not honest until after they had to be…That does not put it all A OK.

By C Hardy on 10/30/2009 10:19 am
Jeannot Kensinger
It is none of my business so what is there to forgive? It is for all concerned a "in house" problem, in their house, their bedroom etc……Changes nothing in my life or house. Does not give me a right to judge either, right or wrong. Infidelity belongs to the parties involved, the partners.
By Jeannot Kensinger on 10/30/2009 10:31 am
KatyDid Wells

In my personal life, yes, I do appreciate when someone comes clean about a wrong doing.  Finding out later that I’ve been duped or betrayed is far worse and the courage that it takes to confess, unsolicited, shows a certain character.  My husband however, thinks quite differently.  He’s much like Jane Austen’s Mr. Darcy - once his good opinion is lost, it is lost forever.  I believe that not forgiving is harder on the offended than it is the offender, but you’ll never convince my husband of that. 

When and where I grew up, it was rude to stick our noses into the neighbor’s business and we minded our own - staunchly.  In today’s world, everyone’s business belongs to everyone else so it stands to reason that if someone in the public forum does something wrong, they not only have to apologize to their spouse, they are expected to apologize to the nation.  Whether the nation grants that forgiveness tends to hinge on a few variables (and they are variable, I don’t mean to be overly cynical, but the nation can be fickle) - track record, likeability, likeability of the spouse, sincerity… I know that judging another’s sincerity may be a bit subjective, but it seems a number of factors roll into making up one’s mind before making that call.  As Candace said, speed makes a big difference - David Letterman for example, came right out and spoke up.  If (like most politicians) one waits until a long period of scrutiny or perhaps until under oath, then sincerity is a bit harder to swallow.  Then there is the politician who cried wolf - What?  A politician telling a lie?  I know this is unlikely, but I’m told it happens. If a politician is caught doing this more than once and then tries to look sincere and ask for absolution, five will get you ten that the public will throw him (her) to those same wolves that he (she) cried about earlier. 

Though most of these famous men are adept at playing the public, body language is still reflective of a person’s true attitude.  You’ll see close-ups of their eyes, their shoulders, and the way they act toward their wives and families. If they’re still acting like the cock on the walk, the public and the press will eat them alive. 

Everyone has done something in their life they have needed to apologize for.  But these public figures - if there is no true feeling of contrition with their apology, there is no balance.  The sympathy vote weighs too heavily with the family, and a vote of loathing will follow the wrongdoer.  If true sincere penitence is present and a balance between feeling empathy for the family and the wrongdoer is present, it is more likely to fade to black much sooner. 

 

By KatyDid Wells on 10/30/2009 10:34 am
Linda Myers
I feel if you are part of the equation, you are part of the solution as well. With celebrities the public is part of the equation with reactions influencing the future of the celebrity. If a celebrity faulters in what they are doing and holds themself accountable, what more can really be asked them respecting the mortal they are. Renewed respect speaks volumes opposed to forgivness. Do they really care if they are forgiven or respected in thier craft and as a human being?
By Linda Myers on 10/30/2009 10:37 am
Carrie Auger

Actually none of them actually came clean until they were caught. Some of them handled it better than others, but all of them only ‘fessed up because they had to.

By Carrie Auger on 10/30/2009 11:14 am
Tracy Hopper
Forgiving is NOT the same as Forgetting.  A person can forgive unspeakable deeds, but do they forget?  No.  Just because you do forgive someones actions does not mean things go back to the way they were.  Niether adulterer can have their actions Forgotten.  Forgiven, yes, Forgotten, No.
By Tracy Hopper on 10/30/2009 11:34 am
Lee Harrison
It really bothers me when a politician or person in high office shows a complete lack of moral center or judgement.  I never trust them again.  It has nothing to do with forgiving or condemning.  It has everything to do with demonstrating arrogance and bad judgement.  I don’t care if an entertainer has bad judgement.
By Lee Harrison on 10/30/2009 6:24 pm
Laura Ward
John Edwards presented himself as a well-respected (there’s probably a better word) politician which makes him a liar. But if his wife has cancer, doesn’t that mean they can’t have sex? So what does he do? Stay celibate? Yes, if he wants to run for office. As a politician, he has to be a above approach and set an example. As an artist in any field, he can do anything he wants and we’ll just snicker.
By Laura Ward on 10/30/2009 6:25 pm
mary burdt
It depends upon their motivation.  If it is still all about them, then Whether they come clean or are hiding behind closed doors doesn’t matter.  They are not worth giving a second thought to.  Humiliated, insufferable and ALONE!!!
By mary burdt on 10/30/2009 7:07 pm