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Question of the Day | 10/30/2009 4:00 am

David Letterman vs. John Edwards: When someone comes clean about their wrongdoing, are you more willing to forgive them?

When someone comes clean about their wrongdoing (Don Imus, David Letterman), are you more willing to forgive them than when someone lies about their wrongdoing (Martha Stewart, John Edwards)? Candice Bergen, Mary Wells, Liz Smith and Joan Ganz Cooney start the conversation …
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Liz Smith

Liz Smith | 10/30/2009 12:00 am

Liz Smith 'Despises' John Edwards, 'Loves' Martha Stewart

Hey, has John Edwards "come clean" – he just keeps making matters worse. I despise this guy; how dare he try to be president with his private behavior. He could have ruined the Democratic Party. But I thought Imus was/is wonderful the way he tried to actually make amends, going to see the young women he had insulted and raising money for them. I am withholding a result on David Letterman but I guess if all his co-workers can forgive him and his wife can forgive him, and CBS can forgive him because he is one of their stars, then he should live and be well. I love Martha Stewart and I thought she really paid her debt to society; I thought the circumstances of her indictment for insider trading were suspicious at best. It all depends on how the indicted behave. She was a champ and emerged from prison to overcome all obstacles. 
Mary Wells

Mary Wells | 10/30/2009 12:00 am

Mary Wells Is Warming Up to Don Imus and David Letterman

Oh my, yes. Don Imus handled himself well. And David Letterman did too. I am not great fans of either but I feel more warmth toward them now than before. Don’t you think that John Edwards has been in a thick mental and emotional fog or on daytime sleeping pills or came from Mars?  
Joan Ganz Cooney

Joan Ganz Cooney | 10/30/2009 12:00 am

Joan Ganz Cooney: If Bill Would Have Come Clean in the Beginning

I would hardly compare Martha Stewart to John Edwards. Martha’s small problem was greatly compounded by her prominence. Had she been an unknown, she would almost certainly not been sent to jail. I just felt sorry for her. John Edwards is a liar and a cad and recklessly put his political party and country at risk. Letterman did the right thing, coming clean, when threatened with blackmail but his behavior with women who work for him is hardly admirable. I think lying about sex is an automatic response when one is caught so I never judged Clinton harshly, although I would have preferred that he come clean and resign. We would have had Al Gore then as president and probably avoided the Bush years altogether.
Candice Bergen

Candice Bergen | 10/30/2009 12:00 am

Candice Bergen on How the Sex Scandal Turned Letterman Into a 'Mensch'

The wrongdoing thing is interesting because it can diminish people in an instant. Clinton crumbled. Edwards — roadkill. Letterman, on the other hand, has so far emerged greatly enhanced. We happened to be watching the night he made his confession and it was masterful. Spellbinding. He handled it brilliantly. Honest, intelligent, articulate, humble.

Speed is also a factor. How quickly and decisively someone responds determines the reaction. Letterman emerged as more humane, more manly, more of a mensch than before.

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SURA B

What has forgiveness to do with it? I save that for people I know and perhaps like or love; the people mentioned are figments of the media’s attention and imagination. Their behavior is pitiful, sometimes dangerous to their loved ones, in one case, to a polltical party, as well as to a sick wife, and the entertainer, who seems to be receiving such positive attention for his confession, is actually a corrupt employer who preys on women he works with.

 Charmers they are not, and their apologies can be filed  somewhere in cyberspace, and soon  I’ll anticipate crocodile tears. Who really cares? None mentioned so far was innocent; all contributed by their actions to this awful parade of  self-serving hurtful behavior

Can we overcome this focus on these public figures, whose conduct is so destructive and undesirable? Let’s hear about those who contribute better to our community and  nation, please. 

By SURA B on 10/30/2009 10:21 pm
SURA B
Forgot to ask: is public confession cleansing? How can one admire the confessor because of his style and enchanting delivery? Beyond me!
By SURA B on 10/30/2009 10:23 pm
Diana cole
Forgive, not in my place but I know if I were to find myself in a situation that I have to work with either of them it would be difficult for me to trust that they would be fair.
By Diana cole on 10/31/2009 11:06 am
LuckyLady n/a
Forget about the entertainers—somehow bad behavior is not unexpected and they are what they are.  Politicians, however sleazy, never are a big surprise.  Spitzer, Clinton, Gingrich, Gary Hart, McGreevy, John Edwards and the beat goes on and I am sure it always has.  It is just more often reported.  Why should I forgive them.  In my book it is really easier to forget them and drag them into memory from time to time.  Ah yes—I just remembered Clarence what’s his name who sits on the bench of our Supreme Court. As my mother used to say, they made their beds (no pun intended) and now they have to lie in them.
By LuckyLady n/a on 10/31/2009 5:37 pm
Kim Horton

The public usually "forgets" vs "forgives" because some new and greater scandal has reared it’s head and whatever transgressions have occurred aren’t on the front pages anymore. 

If Edwards had really come clean all of it all in one shot, it would have been a better outcome for him.  This has been bleeding on and on for years and now the headlines are screaming that his wife has given up her battle with cancer.  The guys eulogy will now read forever, "John Edwards, promising political career that he trashed by having an illegitimate child with his mistress while his wife was dying of cancer." I don’t think that one will fully ever leave him. 

David Letterman’s situation actually bothers me from the standpoint that was abuse of power.  Women gained for sexual acts or attraction and the payoff was cushy jobs.  Do I personally care if he cheated on his wife, not really, he’s not my husband and I don’t work for the man.  I surely feel bad for his wife’s embarrassment and wonder what is obviously not discussed in their home.  This wasn’t a one time fling this went on for years and years.  I keep waiting for more to come out.  He will come out cleaner in the mud slinging and the public will be more willing to forget, .. until the next scandal.  

By Kim Horton on 10/31/2009 10:31 pm
Bella Mia

Serial cheaters are borderline sociopaths having absolutely no empathy for those whom they will disappoint or devastate. 

What is of greatest interest to me, is the self-deception by the cheaters.  Every day they lied to themselves and said they would not get caught, and the consequences wouldn’t be as hurtful as they have been.  They become delusional living in a mirage of their lying beliefs. And they lie thousands of times to enable their behaviors.  It’s really a personality disorder, difficult to change, and makes the person COMPLETELY untrustworthy in every other area….remember how Bill cheated on the USA by pardonng Marc Rich for big bucks.   

I would have loved to have ignored Bill Clinton’s tacky affair, and Hillary’s tragic enabling, however, it all came to light because Bill had been legally accused of sexually assaulting Paula Jones, a state employee, when he exposed his genitals to her in the workplace - without her permission.  Monica was evidence of Bill’s pattern of workplace improprieties.  (The irony is that we have put Hillary in charge of snooping out which countries are cheating on their nuclear agreements - and she hasn’t figured that out either).

These leaders and celebrities enable others to commit behavior by offering a rationale - remember all the articles on the increase in oral sex in junior high since the Clinton scandals, and kids stating that they learned that oral sex isn’t sex, and calling it a Lewinsky.  Sexual promescuity and infideity is a public health issue.

Speaking of dirty sex, did anyone else see the website called Sex Degrees of Separation

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It’s important to be aware of your sexual health. Cases of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) are on the up. Chlamydia alone increased by eight per cent between 2006 and 2008. If you do not practice safe sex you are putting yourself at risk of contracting an STI.

You may have heard of Six Degrees of Separation. It’s the idea that we’re all just six connections away from everyone else on the planet. This is the inspiration for Sex Degrees of Separation. By answering the questionnaire below we will be able to calculate the number of indirect (and direct) sexual partners you have had, going back six degrees of separation.

The calculator is not a diagnostic tool but does highlight how exposed you can be to STIs if you do not practice safe sex. If you are concerned about your sexual health you can either talk to your GP, pharmacist or visit your local GUM clinic. Information regarding a range of sexual health issues can be found via the menu on the left-hand side of the page.

http://calculators.lloydspharmacy.com/sexdegrees/

 

By Bella Mia on 11/01/2009 1:05 am
Frank Somsel

Letterman and Edwards were both caught. Lettermans apology was sincere????? You must be kidding. He’s a scumbag that made the young women of his staff dress up and have sex with him. Then paid for their college education.

These girls are young enough to be his daughter. He’s a scumbag.

Neither of these guys will ever be a man.

By Frank Somsel on 11/01/2009 1:51 am
Kate Phelan
I don’t admire or "forgive" any of them because they all had an ulterior motive for coming clean.
By Kate Phelan on 11/03/2009 3:57 pm