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Dear Margo | 09/18/2009 12:00 am

Dear Margo: I Would Make This a Deal-Breaker

Margo Howard

I Would Make This a Deal-Breaker

Dear Margo: I would like advice on how to be treated with respect by my husband in front of his son and male friends. He is very caring, loyal and considerate when we’re with each other. However, whenever his 18-year-old son is with us, my husband always belittles me in some way. It unfolds the same way every time. I make a comment to join the conversation: He either dismisses me completely or criticizes my opinion as being uninformed or off-topic, which is not the case. I end up feeling stupid for even trying. Sometimes his son ignores me completely because he has learned this behavior from him. My stepson lost his girlfriend because she was tired of his insults. My husband also does this in front of his friends and even my father. His friends have corrected him on occasion. Also, we have two little girls who I want to grow up expecting respect from men. This behavior is hurtful and degrading and ends up causing arguments because he refuses to recognize what he is doing. What can I do to fix this problem? — Exasperated in Ohio

Dear Ex: Are you married to the Aga Kahn? This is how he treated the mother of one set of his children. They are now divorced, and friends of hers have remarked that her sons treated her with absolutely no respect at all. I don’t know if your husband is from that part of the world, but a male-superior society is not a requirement for this kind of dismissive behavior. I would, with the help of a neutral third party (a clergyman or a therapist), get him to recognize what he’s doing, why and what this model is saying to his children. Also, why is it he can be wonderful to you — in private? — Margo, unacceptably

Dealing With Aging Parents

Dear Margo: My husband and I are in the classic 50-year-old sandwich generation — kid$ in college, 80ish parents who are emotionally demanding, a 30 percent drop in retirement savings despite having made what we thought were low-risk investment choices, and while we are still both employed, we’ve taken pay cuts and there are storm clouds on the horizon for both of our industries. Just too much fun! I want advice about my mother. She’s always been fairly "high drama" in terms of being overly emotional, but it’s getting worse. She "forgets" how often my brothers and sisters and I come to see her (though she has a mind like a steel trap, so the forgetting is a complete fabrication), and my dad is always complaining about how lonely she is. No matter what any of us do, it’s never enough, and she seems to want to pit us against one another. While this makes her sound awful, she also has many good traits, and certainly no one wants to cut her out of their lives. We just want to turn down the negative noise, have her appreciate what we do for her and not constantly try to make us feel guilty for what we can’t do. Suggestions? — Frazzled

Dear Fraz: If your mother is "80ish," I wouldn’t bet the rent that she still has a steel-trap mind. In any case, why don’t you and your sibs keep a "Mom Calendar" at her house so you can mark off the days when you’ve come to visit? Then there can be no question about frequency. (And you can invite your dad to look at it, too.) You can’t, at her age, effect a personality change, so try not to let the drama queen make you nuts. Consciously do your best to ignore the unfounded negative noise. It can’t be easy being old, but neither should her age drag you down — Margo, managerially  

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Baby  Snooks

I’ve heard the Aga Khan has mellowed a bit. Through the years and through the wives. Perhaps not the best example to have used given his commitment in general to improving the lot of women in the Muslim world. 

We forget that men are taught at times and it is hard at times for all of us, men and women, to "unlearn" what we are taught and what some men are taught is that is is not "manly" for women to share in the conversation at the table so to speak. 

Not sure there is really a solution to the problem beyond acceptance although in some cases beyond acceptance means unacceptance.

Sounds horrible but it’s better to be a little miserable with someone you love than completely miserable without someone you love.

 

 

By Baby Snooks on 09/18/2009 12:22 pm
A R

Sounds horrible but it’s better to be a little miserable with someone you love than completely miserable without someone you love.

Aw, snooks. I wish you didn’t feel that way. There’s a third and fourth option: be single and happy, or be with someone who makes you happy. Relationships don’t have to just varying degrees of miserable. 

Make choices that work!

By A R on 09/19/2009 12:43 pm
SURA B
I’m in total agreement. I have an expression I’ve used since childhood: "What is done in the name of love!" When people say they love, I believe it when they behave accordingly; otherwise, no way! So many cruelties, acts of selfishness, greed, arrogance as in the case of this jerk are practiced, and yet these miserable people claim they love their victim. I wish that women who prefer martyrdom pay attention to their intuition instead of cooperating with their tyrant-at-large! 
By SURA B on 09/19/2009 10:51 pm
Baby  Snooks
I have several friends who would agree with you. Particularly when they’re "single and happy." In between marriages of course.
By Baby Snooks on 09/20/2009 3:15 am
Lepidopter Phoenyx
LW1 - next time he starts in on you, offer him a tube of Chap-stcik, so his lips will be nice and soft when he kisses your ass.
By Lepidopter Phoenyx on 09/18/2009 1:12 pm
Mary E. Sayler
LW#2- Your parents are in their 80’s!  Count your blessings that you have had them as a part of your life this long.  You also need to remember the years they put up with your behavior.  One thing I have noticed is that the young and the elderly (where I am now) are very simular.  When you were young your parents put up with your temper tantrums and worked with you through them.  How many times did you say when growing up, "I’m bored" or "I have nothing to do"?  Did your parents, Mom in particular, help you find something to do?  Both of your parents may need a kind push to find something to fill their time.  Find a Senior Citizens Center that they can go to for entertainment and friendships.  Get them books by their favorite authors or whatever they voice an interest in.  Whether you like it or not you are going to have to take over a role that is simular to being a parent.  Enjoy the the days or years you have left with your parents because when they are gone you only have your memories and you want them to be happy one.  Lost my mother in 1990 at 71 years and my father this January at 95 years.  I would give anything to have them both back again.  They were not perfect but neither am I. 
By Mary E. Sayler on 09/18/2009 1:50 pm
Lonnie Stump
LW # 1. I have a quote for you. "People get the kind of treatment, they are willing to tolerate."
By Lonnie Stump on 09/18/2009 2:29 pm
Leslie Moran
LW#1, you need to stand up for yourself obviously more than you have been.  Here are the words to use with him in front of his friends/son, and say them FIRMLY: "I will not allow you to speak to me like that.  I have too much respect for myself to tolerate it anymore." Then — walk out of the room. Your husband may be embarrassed (hopefully) or angry that you firmly called him on it in front of his "posse."  If so, reiterate it to him, then tell him that he needs to go to couples counseling if he wishes to stay in this marriage — and give him a deadline.  Then — stick to your guns!  This isn’t just about you — this is also about your daughters and their future relationships with men.  Ask yourself, would you want your daughters to be treated that way by a man?  I’m sure the answer is no, and the thought of it probably sickens you.  I wouldn’t want my daughter to even witness that, and if my sons pulled anything close to that nonsense, they would be taken out at the knees.  I’ve told my 16-year old son that people can tell a lot about a man by the way he treats his mother.  And God knows my mother-in-law is far from perfect, but my husband treats her with respect as he does me.  You deserve the same — AND, you know that he’s capable of it, because of how he treats you privately.  If he refuses, it is time to move on.
By Leslie Moran on 09/18/2009 2:32 pm
Lila Kuh
The husband is showing off.  That’s why he doesn’t act the same in private.  I am a little pushy (no, really?) and since he hasn’t responded to her discussing this with him, I would tell him, "You know exactly what I am talking about - even your friends have told you the same thing - don’t try me again, or next time I am going to call you on it."  And the next time, I would cut him off in mid-insult in front of everyone and say "STOP right there!"  And leave.  Embarrassing?  You bet.  He will probably really be angry.  But too bad.  And if that destroys the marriage, it wasn’t much of one anyway.
By Lila Kuh on 09/18/2009 4:15 pm
Lucy Baty
thx margo for the 2nd question advise.. i am relieved to know i am not the only one.. i feel soooo isolated taking care of my mother, who is just a sweetheart, but some of the same challenges apply… bless you and all the ladies here..:)
By Lucy Baty on 09/18/2009 5:22 pm
Dorothy K

Margo, I’m glad Phyllis made you realize what you said about "that 80ish thing".  It sounded ageist to me. But then I just celebrated my 82 birthday. They don’t come much sharper than I am at any age. I read 2 newspapers a day, do the Sunday Times Acrostic and Puzzle in ink and even act as a consultant for a friend’s business.  I get along fantastically well with my daughters in law, and my sons. My grandkids think I’m a "cool fun grandma"  Of course I don’t see them as often as I would like. They lead very busy productive lives-thank goodness. I wouldn’t want it any other way.

I resent the attitude that older people lose their acuity. Yes, there are occasional cases of dementia and Alzheimer’s but the rest of us should not be tarred by this. Most whiny, complaining people were always that way. You were probably too busy to notice.

By Dorothy K on 09/18/2009 5:53 pm
Lym BO

You go Dorothy! :)  I totally agree. Very few people lose their memory as they age. It’s a myth & some folks use it to their advantage. I’ve noticed my memory getting worse, but then I realize I am just completely overwhelmed & overtired. Once I get some rest I’m fine.  If she seems worse some days ask about her sleep & note whether she is overdoing it some days. It’s all individual.  

My grandmother is 88 & works three jobs (to keep busy) She works at Wal-Mart full time (greeter) & at two different ice creams shops every evening except one.  I swear she has more energy than me as well as more acuity. I’m pushing 40.   

By Lym BO on 09/18/2009 11:51 pm
SURA B

Dorothy! Great you wrote that! I did, too, earlier. This stereotyping of our generation is tiresome, and on this website it is alarming, as though all these young and not so young chicks will never grow older. They are so worried about aging, and of course, our presence makes them nervous. However, I do resent their patronizing us and telling us who we are. 

 

By SURA B on 09/19/2009 10:58 pm
Baby  Snooks

 

 "People get the kind of treatment, they are willing to tolerate."

_____________________________

This is true but I still maintain it’s better to be a little miserable with someone you love than completely miserable without someone you love. But it’s not better to be completely miserable with someone you love -it’s a two-way street and if you find yourself on a one-way street, particularly it you’re "going against the traffic" perhaps it’s time to find another street to travel so to speak.  There is a thin line at times between irritating and abusive.  And none of us should put up with abuse.  On any street. 

By Baby Snooks on 09/19/2009 9:27 am
Messy ONE

Wow. Too complicated there by half! Try this one (and it always ticks someone off, so I’m prepared):

"When you are an adult, no one can hurt you without your permission."

If someone you love makes you even slightly miserable, tell him/her to pound sand. There’s no justification for that treatment besides the nonsense you’re telling yourself. 

By Messy ONE on 09/19/2009 1:25 pm