Dear Margo | 07/01/2009 11:00 pm
Dear Margo: A 3-Year-Old Hellion?
A 3-Year-Old Hellion?
Dear Margo: I have a good friend whose 3-year-old is a complete terror. The child has no boundaries and has never been disciplined in her life. When my friend and her family visit my home, this little girl is constantly jumping on my furniture, throwing DVDs and torturing my animals. The other day I caught her choking my dog to the point where he almost passed out. My friend ignores this behavior and acts like it’s no big deal. When I take objects away or put my animals outside, the child either throws a tantrum or deliberately waits until I turn my back to resume the bad behavior. It is getting to the point where I can’t hang out with this friend anymore. The last few times we’ve gone out in public with this family, their daughter has hit other children, thrown a tantrum or attempted to take off her clothes and run around naked. Her parents do absolutely nothing. The worst part is that my friend is completely clueless. She told me recently that she wants to sign her daughter up for flute lessons and possibly enroll her in acting classes.
Many of our other friends have stopped seeing this family because of this kid. How can I discuss this problem with my friend without offending her? I have a 1-year-old with whom I am very strict. I fear that if I approach her, the response will be that I just don’t understand because I don’t have a 3-year-old, or that I punish my child too harshly. Honestly, I don’t want to tell my friend how to raise her child; I just want this kid to learn to respect other people and their things. — About To Lose a Good Friend
Dear Ab: People are tetchy about criticism of their children, so don’t expect your friend to welcome what you have to say. I would encourage you, though, to tell her that the acting out of this child is a sign of psychological disturbance and you highly recommend seeing a child specialist. This kid is crying out for attention and limits. You might point out the number of friends who have peeled off and ask her to think objectively about a youngster who has no discipline and exhibits a lot of bizarre behavior. None of this may sink in until the flute teacher, for example, removes her from the class, or other kids’ parents refuse to let her come play. — Margo, necessarily
Where Is Your Boyfriend? He’s in the Joint
Dear Margo: I am a 20-something going for my master’s degree. I have been fortunate enough to have met a man who is caring and wonderful. He knows me as well as anyone does, but here’s the problem: He is incarcerated, and the friends and family I have told are horrified. I have not told my mother yet because I know she will be upset. No one seems to be supportive of this relationship, and I don’t know how to tell people that I know this is my destiny. How can I tell them that I am confident in my choice and that I am happy? — Struggling
Dear Strug: Well, I suppose you could say you are confident in your choice and that you are happy.
I hope you understand that your friends and family have your best interests at heart, and a guy in jail may not sound to them like a real catch. What you don’t say is what this man is in prison for and how long he will be there. I hope you are aware of the rather well-known fact that prisoners famously con people "on the outside" to wait for them, send money, etc. I think whether or not you knew this chap before he did what he did and went to the clink is crucial. It sounds to me as though your mind is made up, but you would do well to give it a think, as the Brits say. — Margo, pensively
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how exactly is one "strict" with a one year old? i agree that the 3 year old’s behavior is completely out of control and the mom is oblivious, but the writer of the letter might want to recognize, too, that 12 months is too soon to begin "punishing your child too harshly". I found that comment worrisome.
20y/o with the boyfriend in jail: get a grip on reality. Everyone gets to make bad decisions while young and learning to navigate the dating scene, but really. How are there any women out there still getting sucked into these things? Take a step back and realize this: if everyone who cares about you is warning you against something, you should carefully consider their perspective and make some better decisions.
Put the kid down if he starts pulling hair? Take away the toy for a while if hes vigorously banging it on the floor? Don’t have any kids but those came in mind. Didn’t find the comment very worrisome myself, my best friend works with children and theres a lot of things she has mentioned about teaching them that I would have never thought about.
The woman did not say she had a 12 month old, she said she had a one year old. Don’t forget that a child is considered to be one year old right up through 23 months. However, even at twelve months old there is a lot you can do to begin changing unwanted behaviours. For example at twelve months old you would likely use mostly redirection. Just because a child is only twelve months old does not mean you would still allow them to strangle the dog or exhibit other unwanted behaviours does it? You would either remove them from the situation, or remove the situation from them! And even a twelve month old can understand tone of voice and many words.
For an older toddler, say 18 to 24 months there are many, many ways of being what I would consider "strict" I don’t know your definition of "punishment" but I do not believe it is unreasonable to put an older one year old in time out (approximately one minute for each year of the child’s age) or to even (gasp!) give them a swat on their bottom to get their attention. If you are not reasonably strict at a young age you will very likely end up with a hellion as early as age three.
I do however suspect that you were thinking 12 months old, perhaps forgetting that a one year old can be much older than twelve months. And perhaps you consider strict to be bordering on abusive. But I consider strict to mean simply consistent enforcement of proper behavior and rules. You don’t have to abuse a child to be strict!
Please know I am trying to write this with a friendly tone of voice and a smile! :-) Have a great day!
my grandson at 4mos already knew how to twist my daughter around his little finger. i started working when he was about 4 or 5mos old. before that i took care of him mostly. suddenly she had to do her job and it was good for her. he became her baby again. but he wanted her to hold him 24/7. he didn’t want to be put down or put in his jumpy toy. as soon as she did he would start crying. well, i took a pic of him laughing and happy in the toy. i told her to put him in the toy and go into the kitchen and start the dishes as soon as he starts crying or just out of his view. after that he would cry or whine for a few minutes and then start jumping around in the toy. that is a form of dicipline and a way of teaching a child of any age who is the boss.
he was separated from his mother for a while due to circumstances beyond our control. but he is back with us now. the probl3em was because of the separation and the guilt she felt, she spoiled him when she got him back (she saw him daily during that time tho). he was kicking, slapping and hitting her (and me) anytime he didn’t get his way. well, i was really getting sick of it and she was getting very frustrated. so told her she needed to lay down the law with him. it’s not to late for this woman to teach her 3yr old that it’s time to act right and stop trying to rule the roost. we couldn’t take him ANYWHERE or do ANYTHING with him. that was about 4mos ago.
now, we can take him anywhere and do anything (mostly) without the fidgeting, whining, screaming and acting out he used to do. it used to take 3 of us to pin him in his carseat (he is exceptionally strong for his size), now he climbs right in and puts his arms thru the buckles. he used to run ALL over the store and get lost. now he stays RIGHT by the cart with us while shopping. he used to run all over the restaurant and not eat any of his food. now he sits in his high chair and eats politely.
yes, he still has times where he needs (gasp, as you said) a pat on the butt, pop on the hand or time out. but the results have been stupendous. all one of us has to say is, stay by the cart or your going out to the car. sit down or you cannot play with that. put your toys away or i will throw them away and he gets the point. just like my grandson this child is on a path of destruction and the parent isn’t oblivious, she just refuses to believe in discipline. she also doesn’t give a rats ass about who or what this child destroys. just wait til the child gets out there and breaks something and the mother has to pay for it. suddenly she will get the picture. it probably won’t change things, until the girl is in juvie and the parents are paying for stuff she destroys out there.
i think the next time the little girl visits (if you actually want to deal with that brat again) take her and sit her in the middle of the floor and if she acts out offer for everybody to go outside. also say, "we do NOT do this in this house!" take the item away and tell the friend that if she is going to bring her daughter to your house she has to make her mind or she cannot visit. believe me, my daughter got this said to her also. sometimes they just need a good poke to get them to understand. but don’t expect that it will do ANYTHING but push her away. but frankly if she didn’t care what her daughter did to your stuff, i wouldn’t think she respects you that much.
even with my grandson at his worst, my daughter DID use punishments, they just weren’t effective in his case. but if he EVER broke something or tried to hurt an animal, my daughter would be johnny on the spot with apologies and offering to take him home right that second. good luck with the parent!
Well, SJ, as a mom I’ll tell you what that means:
A one year old can throw things (You say "No, no" very sternly as you shake your head. If they persist, you don’t give them back the object.)
A one year old can pull hair (You say, "No. Don’t hurt mommy" as you take their hand out of your hair.
A one year old can hit at faces (You say, "No! Don’t hit" as you catch their hand in mid-smack.
A one year old can hit or pull an animal (You say, "No, no! Don’t hurt the dog) as you pick up the baby and move him away from the dog.
Here’s the thing: babies are way smarter than people give them credit for being. As you use the word, "No" with a frown, head shake, or wide-eyed look, babies come to realize that "No" has a very strong meaning. Over time, simply the word, "No" uttered in a warning voice will stop a behavior that is about to happen (such as a baby reaching for a hot dish).
The other part of the strictness involves positive reinforcement.
When a baby pats you gently, you say, "I love you too" or "Aw. You are sweet to mommy".
When the baby touches the dog carefully, you say, "Good. See the dog likes you. Let’s pet the dog"
In other words, when the baby responds appropriately to social stimuli, you use your voice and face to reinforce that behavior the same as you would to discipline when he is inappropriate.
I’m often amazed by how many parents don’t realize that rearing a child begins at such a young age—it does! If a person will begin training a child at this age, you’ll be able to take that child anywhere by the time they are two from a wedding to a friend’s house. I watched my mother teach my sister in this fashion, I taught my daughter this way, and I’ve seen my niece learn too. Pity the poor parents who wait until children are "of age" to begin to instruct them in being human. That’s when you get what the letter writer described.
While I’m on that, let me add that I would cut away that friendship from my life for two reasons: the other mother has demonstrated that she has missed the parenting boat. It won’t get better, in fact it will just get worse as the child grows.
Secondly, with only two years age difference between the daughters, this mom would be crazy to allow her daughter to "grow up" being playmates with this child. Not only will the crazy child be a bad example for this woman’s daughter, but she will abuse the daughter’s toys, and likely harm the daughter at some point. Don’t give her another opportunity to harm family animals, because the animals deserve respect and kindness.
Don’t give the mom and her holy terror any more of your time. No more chances. Decline invitations and don’t issue another to them, and tell her that you decided it was best if you were not around her anymore. Don’t try to be overly hurtful in your words, but make it plain that her child’s behavior has become a deal breaker for you. There’s no coming back from that, and the other mom will be mad as hell. She’ll tell others how mean, how high-and-mighty you are, etc., but at least someone will have been truthful with her. Best of all, she’ll be out of your lives.
Great post!!! People without kids think that they’re just formless amoebas until kindergarten, apparently. Active parenting begins at birth, and you absolutely begin using discipline and corrective behavior when your kids are infantile.
And on that note, I’m flabbergasted at how skittish the world has gotten about corporal punishment. Even as young as 3, a child who has a tantrum can be calmly picked up, swatted on the bum, and set in a time-out until they are done with their fit.
So true A R…good advice.
Children, dogs, animals…need boundaries in order to feel safe. This child is acting out…out of fear. A fearful person or animal is an angry person or animal. Both need a leader to feel that their survival is protected. Without leadership, they attempt to control their environment. This child will grow into a dysfuntional adult.
As with dogs…the "good one" will not teach the one with bad habits to behave properly….it is the other way around…the "bad dog" will always bring down the good one. For the sake of her own child, she must limit her friendship to adult only activities.
And her friend needs to visit with a child behaviorist.
ASAP.
SJ, I agree totally. I was 100% on board with the first letter, until I got to the part about the one year old.
And, co-sign your comment on LW 2.