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Dear Margo | 07/01/2009 11:00 pm

Dear Margo: A 3-Year-Old Hellion?

Her friend’s daughter is a complete terror … Margo Howard’s bright advice
Margo Howard

A 3-Year-Old Hellion?

Dear Margo: I have a good friend whose 3-year-old is a complete terror. The child has no boundaries and has never been disciplined in her life. When my friend and her family visit my home, this little girl is constantly jumping on my furniture, throwing DVDs and torturing my animals. The other day I caught her choking my dog to the point where he almost passed out. My friend ignores this behavior and acts like it’s no big deal. When I take objects away or put my animals outside, the child either throws a tantrum or deliberately waits until I turn my back to resume the bad behavior. It is getting to the point where I can’t hang out with this friend anymore. The last few times we’ve gone out in public with this family, their daughter has hit other children, thrown a tantrum or attempted to take off her clothes and run around naked. Her parents do absolutely nothing. The worst part is that my friend is completely clueless. She told me recently that she wants to sign her daughter up for flute lessons and possibly enroll her in acting classes.

Many of our other friends have stopped seeing this family because of this kid. How can I discuss this problem with my friend without offending her? I have a 1-year-old with whom I am very strict. I fear that if I approach her, the response will be that I just don’t understand because I don’t have a 3-year-old, or that I punish my child too harshly. Honestly, I don’t want to tell my friend how to raise her child; I just want this kid to learn to respect other people and their things. — About To Lose a Good Friend

Dear Ab: People are tetchy about criticism of their children, so don’t expect your friend to welcome what you have to say. I would encourage you, though, to tell her that the acting out of this child is a sign of psychological disturbance and you highly recommend seeing a child specialist. This kid is crying out for attention and limits. You might point out the number of friends who have peeled off and ask her to think objectively about a youngster who has no discipline and exhibits a lot of bizarre behavior. None of this may sink in until the flute teacher, for example, removes her from the class, or other kids’ parents refuse to let her come play. — Margo, necessarily

Where Is Your Boyfriend? He’s in the Joint


Dear Margo: I am a 20-something going for my master’s degree. I have been fortunate enough to have met a man who is caring and wonderful. He knows me as well as anyone does, but here’s the problem: He is incarcerated, and the friends and family I have told are horrified. I have not told my mother yet because I know she will be upset. No one seems to be supportive of this relationship, and I don’t know how to tell people that I know this is my destiny. How can I tell them that I am confident in my choice and that I am happy? — Struggling

Dear Strug: Well, I suppose you could say you are confident in your choice and that you are happy.

I hope you understand that your friends and family have your best interests at heart, and a guy in jail may not sound to them like a real catch. What you don’t say is what this man is in prison for and how long he will be there. I hope you are aware of the rather well-known fact that prisoners famously con people "on the outside" to wait for them, send money, etc. I think whether or not you knew this chap before he did what he did and went to the clink is crucial. It sounds to me as though your mind is made up, but you would do well to give it a think, as the Brits say. — Margo, pensively
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Jane M

Dear Strug: if my family ever came to unanimous agreement about ANYTHING, you can bet your bottom dollar I’d pay attention to that! (I’d also be on the lookout for other signs of the end of the world.)

But seriously, SisterWoman, the people who know you and love you are urging you in the strongest possible terms to steer clear of this guy. Much the same as they might if you were driving your car off a cliff. LISTEN TO THE WISDOM OF THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE YOU.

You say he is your destiny. If this in true, the two of you will find each other again in years to come when he has served his time and built himself a new, clean, lawful life. But right now, LISTEN TO THE WISDOM OF THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE YOU. Do not hitch your wagon to a garbage scow.

By Jane M on 07/02/2009 9:49 am
Monica Mexico

One way to handle the 3 year-old is to let her know that your house has special rules. The next time she comes over, post a list on colorful paper and let her know how things are done. The child IS crying for limits and boundaries - that’s how they know people care about them. 

This way you can try to address the behavior without bashing your friend’s parenting skills. Remember to set the child up for success though. Make it easy for her to do the right thing, then praise her.

My best friend ran an in-home daycare for 10 years and with this "my house has different rules" techniue, she constantly had parents raving about their children’s behavior there, and wondered why they weren’t the same at home.

By Monica Mexico on 07/02/2009 9:57 am
Barbara B
I guess my approach would be real  direct. "Please stop your child from chocking my dog" and then if she got upset I  would say "look maybe your visiting today is not a good idea since Tommy seems real aggressive today".  If that dosen’t work just tell her "Get the hell out and take your kid with you"
By Barbara B on 07/02/2009 10:02 am
Diane Western

I think the "punishing too harshly" was more of an exaggerated concern she felt she’d get from her friend since her friend is off-the-charts oblivious to her own kid.  I didn’t take it literally.  But here’s the thing: people are afraid to enforce rules IN THEIR OWN HOME.  I don’t care who’s visiting - your home, your rules.   If your guests are miffed, so be it.  Say "I’d appreciate it if your sweet angel wouldn’t choke the dog, stomp on my furniture or crayon on the walls".  If that doesn’t work, ask them to leave.  Don’t worry about offending them.   Who needs "friends" like that?  And I sure as heck wouldn’t want that kid around my infant! 

 

By Diane Western on 07/02/2009 11:25 am
Leonie Wilson

It’s such a shame when people say ‘it’s too late’ for a kid. It’s hardly EVER too late. I took on a 9-year old stepson who was pretty difficult at times, very prone to throwing major 4-hour tantrums. Family and friends said it was too late for him, he would always be a tearaway.  One time I even had to wrestle a carving knife from him! He wasn’t threatening *me* as such, but he was trying to damage our kitchen with it because I wouldn’t let him eat chocolate instead of breakfast.  That was the absolute low point (I was terrified, in the house alone as his father was at work).  His particular favourite was to misbehave in company, at home or someone else’s house. Along with his father we agreed that we would simply isolate him - take him out of the situation and somewhere quiet, and be very firm. Once he calmed down, he could have a big cuddle and come back in.  It worked wonders. He’s now a 12 year old lad who’s bigger and taller than me (!) and is great fun to be with, works hard at school, and is pretty responsible for his age. Obviously he still kicks at boundaries sometimes, but he understands the difference between negotiation and ‘no, we are really not OK with that’.  He’s learned to control his temper and I’m full of admiration for that - he has a good heart, just used to have a short fuse!

Last year, after staying the weekend with some friends, the other mother took me aside and said she couldn’t believe the change in him! Apparently he used to be a terror on visits (though he has never EVER been cruel to animals), clambering all over furniture, running around the house, yelling etc. Problem is, his natural mom, while she loves him, never enforced any boundaries. Even now, if he annoys her, they get into a yelling and swearing match - she’s a nice lady (really she is!), but she just…never…enforced anything.  I’m probably a bit stricter than I need to be - I had a really strict upbringing myself - but BOTH my stepkids have a brilliant relationship with me.They love their mom very much but also give her a LOT more grief. 

Now I’m just hoping we can keep this up so they are still talking to us in their teen years! 

By Leonie Wilson on 07/02/2009 11:32 am
Diane Western
When I was 20 years old I was in love!  I know my boyfriend loved me, but we were young, immature, and in hindsight, it wasn’t meant to last.  He moved away to another state where he got in trouble - petty theft, marijuana, I don’t remember.  But he was put in a low security detention center for about 8 months.  I waited for him while continuing to get love letters from him.   When he finally returned he wasn’t the same person.  He was bitter and we broke up.   I realize the feelings are real for "Struggling" but you will (you will) feel differently as time goes by and be glad for it.  
By Diane Western on 07/02/2009 11:43 am
Laura Kemp

I am a new mother with a 5 month old. I have watched my older sisters with their children and have learned alot. I also have cousins and several friends with older children. So i did not go into motherhood with blinders on. I’ve seen all types of behaviours and  made notes in my head about what is and is not acceptable in my house.

Even now my 5 month old is told to be nice to kitties. Pat the kitties softly. Since he is at the stage where he wants to grab and put in mouth i have to make sure that he doesn’t hurt our two cats. They are very tolerant,mainly i think, because the do know that he’s too little to really understand he’s hurting. They have limits though and when they reach those limits they give me these looks and walk off. 

I’m sure that what LW#1 meant by strict that she reinforces positive behaviour and  makes it clear that certain behaviours are unacceptable. A 12 month old or even younger does understand no. Hitting isn’t effective it only teaches hitting…but no sets boundaries which this little girl desperately needs.

By Laura Kemp on 07/02/2009 11:54 am
Elizabeth Newman

My 8 year old daughter used to be a real terror…and it was OUR fault(her parents)…we were young and stupid, and thought it was "cute" when she misbehaved. We wised up quickly. Now, while her temper occasionally gets the better of her (and even she admits that, she will take herself to her room), she is a smart, funny, loving little girl. Every year we get raves from her teachers, she is always kind to little children and would NEVER hurt an animal..she actually chased a boy down that was hurting a stray cat, and threatened to hurt HIM. We’ve just learned to control the less desirable parts of her personality, and we’ve stopped being afraid of being "mean".

By the time our 3 year old son came along, we were much wiser. We’ve learned to bring things to distract them, we remove him from places when he starts throwing a tantrum, and we also learned that sometimes what he wants is a little attention, even just a hug. He, too, is a sweet little boy…he loves to "help" around the house, he tries to pick up after himself, he even likes to run the vacuum.

Many parents don’t realize that kids thrive on routine and consistency…my kids go to bed at the same time EVERY night (I allow the 8 year old to stay up a little later on Friday nights, but most of the time she falls asleep at the normal time), we have the same routine every morning, etc. Without routine and order, kids will thrash around looking for them, and we call it misbehaving. Kids are born knowing how to behave like civilized adults, so I don’t blame small kids for being terrors.

By Elizabeth Newman on 07/02/2009 12:18 pm
Asya Takken

For the mother of the hellish 3-yr old, I’m going to recommend a book: "The Difficult Child" by Stanley Turecki.   It recognizes that some children have inherently harder-to-manage temperaments than others, is sympathetic to the difficulty of managing such children day in and day out, and gives a lot of helpful suggestions for changing your approach.

Get a copy, and look through it yourself first, for an insight into your friend’s situation. It may be that your friend is truly clueless, or she may be so exhausted by caring for this child that she has mostly given up.   Then give the book to your friend.  That might open the conversation, anyway.  Try not to be too critical, though.   

By Asya Takken on 07/02/2009 12:21 pm
Rose Bean

I’m going to hear about this I’m sure…but kids don’t know about consequences.  It’s the parents job to teach them.  And I’m sorry, but sometimes saying no just makes the kid want to do it more.  And they will the second your back is turned…

The day we started calling parents "abusers" for giving their kids a whack on a butt is the day we started a generation of kids who will never "get it".  I’ve been abused…a spanking is not abuse.  It’s the consequence, albeit a slightly painful one, of an incorrect action.  I’m sorry, but they need to learn, and learn quickly that the outside world is not so forgiving.  And choking a dog?  That deserves a little more than a "no dear…you shouldn’t do that" and then dismissing it.  Especially as the writer said, the behaviour starts up the minute mommy’s back is turned.  

By Rose Bean on 07/02/2009 12:27 pm
Reader 117

As far as LW1, it’s not the child that’s a terror - it’s the parent’s lack of discipline.  Three year olds should begin to have a grasp of the difference between right and wrong, but this isn’t something that just comes to them in dreams.  This is something they learn through discipline, positive reinforcement, consistency and by example.  If a parent isn’t leading, why in heck would you expect the child to have any inkling of proper behavior? 

While I appreciate the obvious reluctance to lose a friend, I think LW1’s priority has to be her family (pets included).  I think it’s a no-brainer.  And I’d even go so far as to tell the friend what the deal is.  It won’t change anything now, and it will probably leave a nasty taste for you in your friend’s mouth, but who knows?  Maybe one day she’ll understand why people kept walking away.  But please!  It’s not the child - it’s the lack of a parent.

And for LW2, there’s too little information to go on.  We know basically nothing besides the fact that he is in prison.  Too little details to offer any intelligent insight into her relationship.

But what disturbs me are the posts about this.  One person did point out the liklihood that someone would re-commit and end up back in prison.  And there’s no question that we have YEARS of statistics to back that up.  But I wonder how many of these people re-commit because of the attitudes I see here?  How many people end up back in prison because society doesn’t give them a chance once they’ve served their sentence and paid their debt to society?  I’m not saying that’s the situation here, and I freely admit that men in prison can and will prey on ignorant, naive or lonely women.  But should we paint them all with the same brush? 

If we, as a society, are not going to give people who have paid their debt to society as deemed sufficient by the justice system, a second chance, why bother releasing them at all?  Some people re-commit because, without this second chance, they have nothing - no friends, no money, no job, no prospects.  And we wonder why they end up back in prison?

By Reader 117 on 07/02/2009 1:41 pm
Dawn Smith
People do not re-commit because of ‘attitudes’. They re-commit because they are criminals. Hence, the 3 strike law !!
By Dawn Smith on 07/02/2009 3:41 pm
Jay Gentile

I had a friend whose daughter was a spoiled terror. When they came to my home, the mother would lead the way and move anything within hand’s reach out of Little Demon’s way. She effectively redecorated my home. Anything Little Demon picked up was flung across the room. Didn’t even look at it, just threw it. Mom would pay for anything Little Demon broke, down to a $500 Tiffany vase that the Little Demon threw on the marble entryway floor. What Little Demon really wanted was someone to pay attention to her. So she broke things.

My friend was career-obsessed working mother who was addicted to material things and personal success. Little Demon knew just what pushed mommy’s buttons - breaking things. Because things are more important to mommy that you are. Children learn, even when you don’t want them to. 

Little Demon was shuttled off to daycare at six weeks so that mommy could "get my life back" (her words). She racked up hundreds in late fees because she couldn’t pick her child up on time and then complained about how "rude" the daycare was to expect her to pick up her child by 5PM so that the workers could go home to their own lives and families.

I can’t help wondering if the mom with the bratty kid is a working mother. Children raised in daycare aren’t exposed to much in the line of rules because there’s very little discipline that daycare providers can use to control unruly children. Daycare is really little more than a warehouse for children where strangers are filling your child’s head with their beliefs, their prejudices and their ideas.

Uninvolved parents have disconnected children who long for something they never get - parental attention. If you aren’re going to raise your own children, do all of us a favor and don’t have any!

By Jay Gentile on 07/02/2009 2:11 pm
Angel Perez

1. THE CHILD ALMOST CHOKED THE DOG INTO BLACKING OUT??? Can anyone say animal cruelty, potential serial killer? If anyone touched my pets, I would harm them. Let me put it this way. If your dog bit that little girl, you can bet that her parents wouldn’t be hating on you. Tell your friend the truth and get rid of her as a friend. Your dogs need your help! 

2. In jail and your destiny? Not a chance, your destiny is to complete your grad studies and get out of dodge.

By Angel Perez on 07/02/2009 2:13 pm
Felicia  Slate
I have raised 7 children, and still have 5 at home, so as you can imagine, I have always had other people’s kids in my home. I also have pets. And whether just the child or the parents and their child(ren) are in my house, I make it clear from day one… MY house, MY rules, if you dont like it, feel free to take your child and leave. I would NEVER  sit by and allow my child or any other child to do something in my house that I dont allow my child to do. I have a friend who let her kid ( he was 12) kick her and she would sit there and do NOTHING about it. I told that boy " you will not kick your mother in my house and if you do it again, either you go home, or you can sit outside until your mother leaves". I dont care how old the child is. As for the letter writer, I would never just sit  there and not say a word to the parent while her brat was torturing my dog. I would have looked at her and said either you need to control her now, or you need to take her home.
By Felicia Slate on 07/02/2009 2:33 pm