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Dear Margo | 06/17/2009 11:00 pm

Dear Margo: Wondering Why the Guys Don't Call Again

Should this pre-law student dumb herself down so men will be less intimidated by her smarts? Margo Howard’s bright advice …
Margo Howard

Wondering Why the Guys Don’t Call Again

Dear Margo: I am a pre-law student who is intelligent, articulate, caring, outgoing and fun to be around. The problem is that I believe that because of some of my qualities, I am never asked out on dates … or if I am, I get ditched by the second or third date. Guys that have liked me become less interested and never call back. A platonic male friend (10 years older and married) told me I have an intimidating personality because I am smart, attractive and know what I want from life. I don’t understand how this could be a deterrent to so many guys. Am I expected to dumb myself down and give up my goals so I can fit into someone else’s life better? I am not prepared to do this, but what can I do differently? — Rejected in the Midwest

Dear Rej: Girls and women who are good-looking, smart and know what they’re about actually are man-magnets. (Don’t ask me how I know this.) I think the only guys who feel intimidated by these qualities are nebbishes, and I can’t imagine your school’s male population is composed solely of the neb variety. By all means, do not dumb down; then you would be flying under false colors. Without being a fly on the wall when you’re on a date, I have no way of knowing what it is that’s going off the rails, but it has to be something. Is there a chance you’re being too aggressive? Perhaps ask a close girlfriend if she has any ideas. The only blanket suggestion I can make is to be a good listener.

"They" find themselves endlessly fascinating, and it is commonplace for a man who has talked about himself all night to then tell a friend how really interesting his date was. There’s also the possibility that you’ve been shopping in the wrong aisle. Try giving a guy whom you might initially write off a chance. For what it’s worth, I have found an inverse proportion between good looks and smarts. (Note to handsome guys: Don’t bother writing to complain; there are exceptions.) — Margo, historically

And Who Would Like To Sleep in the Bathtub?

Dear Margo: I live with my boyfriend in a small studio apartment in Switzerland. We have a happy life together; he studies at the university and I just landed my first real job. My boyfriend is Swiss and has parents who are very involved in his life. This is fine with me, except when they want to come visit. They always insist on staying with us in our 400 square foot apartment, claiming it’s cheaper for them. I find this ridiculous, as they are both retired teachers, and in Switzerland that means you are financially quite stable. Am I being unreasonable? How do I politely tell them that I don’t want them cramming on top of me every time they want to visit their son? Keep in mind, this has to be translated to German. — Cramped in Zurich

Dear Cramp: I don’t think you even have to worry about translating your request into Deutschen because I don’t think you should be making the request. Your freund should be the one to step up to the plate and tell his parents that it’s really not comfortable — for anyone — to have four adults living like sardines, or sardinen, in their language. You don’t sound unreasonable to me. In fact, I’m trying to visualize four people, one bathroom, a tiny kitchen and what? Two air mattresses on the floor? With luck, you can find an inexpensive bed and breakfast or a small hotel not too far from you. — Margo, sensibly

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73 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Deena B.
I don’t doubt that LW#1 is all of the things she says she is.  But is it possible that she is also just a wee bit full of herself?  She seems awfully willing to sing her own praises. 
By Deena B. on 06/17/2009 11:56 pm
K Coldiron
That was going to be my guess. I know very few women who had such high self-esteem in college. 
By K Coldiron on 06/18/2009 7:59 am
Karleen S
To be fair, if you’re going to write to an advice columnist about a perceived problem, you have to set the modesty aside and say what you think it is.  I certainly HOPE she doesn’t go on a date and talk about how beautiful she is and that she’s top 10 in her classes.  The would be offputting for anybody.  Picture the hair flipping that goes along with it.  LOL!  I am/was also attractive and smart, very independent, and it’s not that I can’t attract anyone who wants to ask me out several times, it’s that I have problems finding someone on the same level (sorry if that sounds conceited, too.)  Because of my confidence and independence, I really don’t care.  I not still stuck in that notion that I should be dating and have a man in my life.  It might be nice, but I find myself to be pretty good company, and that’s all that matters.  When I want to hear about NASCAR and BBQ, I know where to go.
By Karleen S on 06/18/2009 9:58 am
Liz Sundquist
Considering she felt compelled to clarify that she is "pre-law" in the first sentence of her letter, I suspect you are correct. Saying one is "pre law" is one of my pet peeves, since ANY bachelor’s degree will qualify you to enter law school and you don’t need a specific course of study. It always strikes me as over-reaching and pompous to use that phrase.
By Liz Sundquist on 06/18/2009 1:59 pm
gretchen lowe
Well, I’m not sure what she wants.  She wants someone to call her back after the first date, so maybe she should put out some more or gain, like incredible sexual skills.  That way, even if they don’t like her, they will call back occasionally.  If she is that full of herself, then all she probably needs is a guy slut.  Then they can be guy slut and girl slut together and fall in love, or lust as it were.  If she becomes an attorney, then she’ll have to do the same things she would have to do in entertainment or politics or anything else.  She should date other attorneys and get married, so she can focus on her legal career.  It’s too hard to date and go to law school, so she should hurry with that or just be resigned to being at peace with herself.  Some cultures are not so sexually-based and feel like no one really needs sex anyway.  So she would be competing against that mindset.  Best she be gettin’ a job and forgettin’ about no boyfriend.
By gretchen lowe on 06/19/2009 11:14 am
Andrea Brandon
Ltr #1: Trust me - from someone who’s smart and good-looking [though a little older] - you’ve got to kiss a lot of frogs before you kiss a prince. One thing is for certain:  when you’re looking you’ll never find it. Just enjoy life and engage in activities that mean something to you and voila! He will appear. 

Ltr #2:

 Margo’s right. But I’m also wondering why he hasn’t already set the boundaries with his parents.  
By Andrea Brandon on 06/18/2009 12:06 am
Toni T
I’ve got to say that I’ve been where the writer of letter 1 is, and here’s what I learned. I always prided myself on being a good date, especially a great "first date" even if I didn’t know the guy well. I had good icebreakers, funny stories…my whole goal was to give a sense of myself and make the guy comfortable without any awkwardness. I always got asked out again, but nothing ever seemed to progress far. Then I went on a double-date with a friend and her husband and a friend of his. I thought things had gone well—lots of laughs, good chemistry. Then I got the report from my friend. Her take? Be smart, be sassy, be funny… but give him a chance to show off some of his great qualities, too. Ask more questions, be as interested as you are interesting. For a moment I protested (as some people may read into Margo’s advice) that my friend was suggesting I be an ego stroker to please a self-involved man. She pulled me up short: "This isn’t a man/woman thing. It’s a two human beings thing. Everyone wants to make a good impression. Dial it down and give him a chance to win you over, too." Best advice I’ve ever gotten.
By Toni T on 06/18/2009 12:10 am
Rantn Raven
Very well said!!  Just perfect.  I wish I could highlight this so everybody’ll be sure to read it.
By Rantn Raven on 06/18/2009 9:15 am
John Lee

I couldn’t agree more as well.  I’m not going to assume qualities about LW#1 that none of us can be sure of, so the most likely thing is what Toni T mentioned - "It’s a two human beings thing. Everyone wants to make a good impression."  What often happens to be the case with attractive, successful women (and men) is that they (1) have extremely high standards when it comes to looks and charm (2) tend to be too focused on themselves during the date (3) will readily reject any potential date due to the most minor imperfections.  Then they go home and complain that everyone is intimidated by their looks, intelligence, charm.

I’ve been on some dates with gorgeous intelligent women - (my favorite example is this ex-stripper, business owner with an MBA and an engineering degree from a prestigious school) - and unfortunately, I often end up asking all the questions and they go on long spiels about how interesting they and their lives are and never ask much about me.  Sure I found them attractive but no, I wasn’t intimidated, just a bit bored and got the sense that a relationship with them is just going to be mostly or nearly all about them.

By John Lee on 06/18/2009 10:35 am
kermie b
As for the second letter—oh, please! I have been in this situation so many times.  Relatives and friends always want to visit NYC, but I can only afford a studio apartment here.  (People never realize how small a studio is until they glance around and ask where the rest of the apartment is.  Seriously.)  Hotels are not a great idea, since one pricey night’s stay would pay my rent for a month.  So in the past when I gave in, I slept doubled up on the loveseat while the other person slept in my bed.  I got no sleep, was grumpy in the morning, and hated myself for giving in.  Then I learned the power of just saying "No, I’m sorry, blahblahblah, but if you can afford a hotel I’d be glad to show you around."  It’s much easier than being permanently doubled up.
By kermie b on 06/18/2009 12:57 am
Annie H
LOL, that was a good laugh.  It is fun to be random sometimes.  I think that person above you is a tad confused!
By Annie H on 06/18/2009 10:45 am
Annie H
Wow, I wish you wouldn’t of deleted the recipe.  It was meant as a joke due to the radom out of the blue post above it.  It was totally funny!
By Annie H on 06/18/2009 10:47 am
Cindy Marek

#1: There’s a reason you’re being consistently rejected; I’d find out what and fix it. It’s good to have self-esteem; maybe you have too much of it. Not everyone is dazzled with our own achievements, smarts, etc. You know? ;-)

#2: I agree with Margo; however, the boyfriend will likely not say a thing to his parents — who should know better. How could anyone be comfortable? Of course if she does finally say something (because he’ll continue wimping out), she’ll be called "a bitch" or whatever. :-\

By Cindy Marek on 06/18/2009 6:20 am
Julie S

#2: Next time they want to visit, you can say, "I’m sorry, we can’t afford to stay in a hotel while you are here."  They will be confused, wondering why you would stay in a hotel, and then you can explain that there clearly is not enough room for four adults in your apartment. One of the couples has to stay in a hotel, and you and your boyfriend can’t afford it.  So, they’ll have to wait to schedule their visit until such time that you have money to burn to stay in a hotel in your own hometown while someone else rudely commandeers your apartment.  (I agree, though, that this is your boyfriend’s responsibility, but I’d definitely draw the line on this one.  How can anyone possibly be at ease when crammed into a small space with your boyfriend’s parents?)

By the way, I also live in a tiny studio apartment - and I am very up front with my friends and family that I will show take them around town, but I don’t even have sufficient seating for them to visit me in my home.

By Julie S on 06/18/2009 7:26 am
Lucinda Herbert

Julie,

The difference here is that this girl is dealing with European parents.  There is a HUGE cultural difference here.  I know my parents were always concerned with their personal comfort, but my European friends have parents who are far concerned with that sort of thing. It is not unusual for them to all squeeze into a relative’s home. I think she needs to get some air mattresses and just accept that this is the way it’s going to be when they visit.

And when it comes to the smart woman who can’t seem to find a date — she may well be just too intense — and that has nothing to do with being a woman because men who are just too intense can also be exhausting.  One can be smart and still know how to be social — she may need to just lighten up.

By Lucinda Herbert on 06/18/2009 12:26 pm