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Dear Margo | 06/17/2009 11:00 pm

Dear Margo: Wondering Why the Guys Don't Call Again

Should this pre-law student dumb herself down so men will be less intimidated by her smarts? Margo Howard’s bright advice …
Margo Howard

Wondering Why the Guys Don’t Call Again

Dear Margo: I am a pre-law student who is intelligent, articulate, caring, outgoing and fun to be around. The problem is that I believe that because of some of my qualities, I am never asked out on dates … or if I am, I get ditched by the second or third date. Guys that have liked me become less interested and never call back. A platonic male friend (10 years older and married) told me I have an intimidating personality because I am smart, attractive and know what I want from life. I don’t understand how this could be a deterrent to so many guys. Am I expected to dumb myself down and give up my goals so I can fit into someone else’s life better? I am not prepared to do this, but what can I do differently? — Rejected in the Midwest

Dear Rej: Girls and women who are good-looking, smart and know what they’re about actually are man-magnets. (Don’t ask me how I know this.) I think the only guys who feel intimidated by these qualities are nebbishes, and I can’t imagine your school’s male population is composed solely of the neb variety. By all means, do not dumb down; then you would be flying under false colors. Without being a fly on the wall when you’re on a date, I have no way of knowing what it is that’s going off the rails, but it has to be something. Is there a chance you’re being too aggressive? Perhaps ask a close girlfriend if she has any ideas. The only blanket suggestion I can make is to be a good listener.

"They" find themselves endlessly fascinating, and it is commonplace for a man who has talked about himself all night to then tell a friend how really interesting his date was. There’s also the possibility that you’ve been shopping in the wrong aisle. Try giving a guy whom you might initially write off a chance. For what it’s worth, I have found an inverse proportion between good looks and smarts. (Note to handsome guys: Don’t bother writing to complain; there are exceptions.) — Margo, historically

And Who Would Like To Sleep in the Bathtub?

Dear Margo: I live with my boyfriend in a small studio apartment in Switzerland. We have a happy life together; he studies at the university and I just landed my first real job. My boyfriend is Swiss and has parents who are very involved in his life. This is fine with me, except when they want to come visit. They always insist on staying with us in our 400 square foot apartment, claiming it’s cheaper for them. I find this ridiculous, as they are both retired teachers, and in Switzerland that means you are financially quite stable. Am I being unreasonable? How do I politely tell them that I don’t want them cramming on top of me every time they want to visit their son? Keep in mind, this has to be translated to German. — Cramped in Zurich

Dear Cramp: I don’t think you even have to worry about translating your request into Deutschen because I don’t think you should be making the request. Your freund should be the one to step up to the plate and tell his parents that it’s really not comfortable — for anyone — to have four adults living like sardines, or sardinen, in their language. You don’t sound unreasonable to me. In fact, I’m trying to visualize four people, one bathroom, a tiny kitchen and what? Two air mattresses on the floor? With luck, you can find an inexpensive bed and breakfast or a small hotel not too far from you. — Margo, sensibly

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73 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

L. C.

Claire Saenz, great observation! … Me thinks you are correct.

Young woman with the problem read Claire Saenzs post. I believe your question will be answered. I aslo believe you can do some soul searching to answer the questions Why do I have this need to impress others? What is my self esteem level! Do I value myself?

By L. C. on 06/18/2009 9:21 am
Allison In Wonderland
Did you not read the actual letter…the good looks and brains is what she was told by a friend of hers (an older married man)….if she had to ask someone and that is what they told her she obviously does not sit around thinking of herself this way and then to top it off she writes to dear Margo for advice and then if she ever comes on here to read what people are saying she probably gets to have hurt feelings. I really hope that some of you get off your high horses and stop being so judgemental when you have no idea what a person is like. Thank god some of you are not Margo.
By Allison In Wonderland on 06/18/2009 9:52 am
Deena B.
Actually in her very first sentence she states that she is intelligent, etc….  And she probably is.  Farther down she also mentions the friend who told her that.  She doesn’t need to stop being all of those things.  She just doesn’t need to broadcast it.  It will be evident.  If she never gets asked out a second time, there is a definite pattern.  When that happens, I don’t think you can say it is everyone else’s fault.  You need to do a little soul searching.  If you do that, and like what you see, then carry on.   
By Deena B. on 06/18/2009 10:16 am
John Lee
Again, so true!  I’m pretty successful myself and I love meeting women who are successful and intelligent.  Especially if they are attractive :)  But no, I do not enjoy spending time with people who are very full of themselves on first or second dates.  And good observation about "pre-law", I mean, I was a pre-med in college for a few years but didn’t feel the need to tell people I was on a doctor career path - I just told people I was a bioengineer.
By John Lee on 06/18/2009 11:13 am
Barbara

LW#2 - You may have a culture gap.  You assume that everyone will agree that having parents stay over in a very small apartment is an imposition and an impossible situation.  It’s very common for those in most countries outside the US (and those who live in NYC) to live in very small quarters.  It’s also a sign of love and hospitality to have visitors stay with you.  You do not say that your boyfried agrees with you that the parental visits are a problem and he certainly hasn’t spoken up. 

I’d take a different approach.  Are you really trying to love his parents and be a part of their family?  Have you really assimilated into a more European culture where space and privacy are not so common?  If so, then treat their visits with anticipation and creativity.  See how you can find a way to shoehorn all of you into your small space.  Expect to give up a bit of privacy for a short period of time but in exchange expect to learn a lot about the family your boyfriend loves.  Make the parents want to come visit you as much as their son.  Find something to laugh about as you schedule time in the bathroom.  Hug as you scoot past someone in the crowded kitchen.  Tell funny stories as you all sit on the bed because there is nowhere else.

Your boyfriend will love you all the more for making his parents welcome and they will love you for making the visit memorable.

By Barbara on 06/18/2009 9:19 am
L. C.

Barbara, I agree 100% !

I let family and friends know before they come to visit the living conditions one bedroom but lots of floor space. Hey we can call make pallids on the floor or pull out air or sleeping bags. I am the first to opt for the floor. It’s cozy and fun! … I have no problem giving up my bed to the parents who prefer the bed but will happily join everyone on the floor.

I enjoy the warmth and joy of being in the midst of  those I love!

One summer when my nieces were young and were not going to camp. I bought a tent and pitched it in my livingroom. I took their mother to pack herself and the two girls up and come over. You cannot begin to imagine my nieces joy and their moms appreciation. We pretended to be away at camp with flashlights and all. My youngest niece was our camp counselor. The tent slept four persons comfortably.

The last time I visited my nephew and his family in Augusta Georgia I slept on the floor. They have a grand home and a guest room was prepared for me. They found me the next morning on the living room carpet pillow under my head snuggled warmly in the comforter from the bed. Did I mention? I was also surrounded by the children who secretly joined me during the night.Once, I slept in the bed and the children did the same! These are children ages 13 to 18!

I am certain the young woman in this article will be surprise what a loving attitude and imagination will do!

Thank you, Barbara you gave me an opportunity to revisit some cherished memories nearly twenty years old!

By L. C. on 06/18/2009 9:45 am
SURA B

Barbara,

How right you are! It isn’t about lack of space, it is about proximity and cultural values. Also, for Americans, there is a separarist attitude between generations!  Somehow,here, one’s  parents, spouses’ or partners’ parents are out of the loop. Abroad, and it is worldwide, unless the elders find it uncomfortable (and if they are wiling to say it), small quarters are not much of a challenge. Being together is more important.Also, privacy means different things to others who may have grown up without a room of their own; abroad, space may be limited, but family and friends offer their homes, because they are hospitable, loving, and inclusive.

 In my 1-bedroom Greenwich Village apartment, the sofa bed opens to welcome family and friends, and though space is tight, we manage. There are sleeping bags for children, snuggling with family members, whatever. The important thing is that we are together, and time is finite—it’s now or never!

 It isn’t always the case that in-laws are enemies, and that we have to hold on to our privacy.  Actually, in many places women double up when family visits or even friends. There are so many ways to accommodate those we cherish.

By SURA B on 06/18/2009 10:07 am
Toni H

I’m SO glad that I saw this post before I wrote in.. we’re all thinking about how things are here in the US.  However, I know that in Europe, there is no stigmata for a man to live with his parents for years and years.. it’s almost expected due to the fact that rent is so high and there are so few homes due to the fact there is so little land!  Heck, you could fit all of Germany in the size of New Mexico w/room to spare!  We’re so spoiled here in the US with the fact that land is sooo pathetically cheap (yes, even in California is cheap compared to properties in a lot of Europe) and we can have these hugemungo homes/condos/apartments whereas what would constitute most people’s living rooms/kitchens is almost bigger than most Europeans’ homes!  Just suck it up and try to mesh with their family.  You’re experiencing something right now that is uncomfortable, right now.  However, if you & your boyfriend do tie the knot and go down the long road, you’ll cherish these memories forever.  It’s not like their moving in permanently, just for a short time. 

Been there, done that.  When I first moved to NY, my first apartment was less than 300 sqft.  That was it. The "living room" was also the bedroom and the kitchen was also the dining room which bled into the bedroom/living room.  Only the bathroom was seperate.. and lord help me if I wanted to take a shower and DH was in front of the sink!  He’d have to get out in order for me to be able to jump into the tub.. and then he could come back in.  Having friends over was a wall-to-wall experience!

By Toni H on 06/18/2009 11:50 am
Lisa M
Barbara, thank you for your response. I was thinking the same thing and appalled at all of the people who were suggesting that she stand up to her boyfriend’s parents.
By Lisa M on 06/18/2009 1:26 pm
laureen f
#1…I find that to be interesting to someone, you need to be interested in them. Nothing to do with stoking the male ego…it goes both ways. Just as I think that the only way to be loved is to be lovable.
By laureen f on 06/18/2009 9:28 am
cathline bridges

One of the other posters already said it, and I’ll second it (because it was said about me).  When a woman is ‘intimidating’, it is usually code for being a bitch.  You make me think of the women I know who made 40k and thought their success was intimidating.   They weren’t successful and they were only ‘intimidating’ to losers.  These women would monopolize conversation on their dates and brag about  themselves.  Of course noone wanted to go out with them again!

Right now, you should be dating to learn what you like.  One date every 2 weeks is plenty!  You should be focusing on your grades, your activities and learning how to get high enough scores on your LSAT to get into the school of your dreams.  Each date is a chance to learn something new about yourself and the person you are with!  Maybe you will learn you love mountain biking!  Or crochet! Or gourmet cooking!  Or discussing intellectual property law!   Open yourself to what each guy has to offer and you will learn about yourself.  I really wish someone had told me that when I was your age.  I didn’t learn it until I was in my 30s.

 IN about 5-10 years, when you have graduated from law school and have enough income to pay those student loans, you will know what you really want in a man, and will be ready to attract that man into your life. 

Then, you will have enough self-knowledge and wisdom (The ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting; insight.) to have realistic standards.  And to know what you need to do to attract the man you want into your life.  

 Right now, I have a dear friend who would describe herself the same as you do  (intelligent, articulate, caring, outgoing and fun) and she’s about 60  lbs overweight.  She doesn’t want to date the very nice, intelligent, articulate, caring, outgoing and fun software engineer I’ve tried  to set her up with , because he’s a skinny geek and she wants a body builder. She has very unrealistic expectations.  And a complete inability to see herself for who she really is. We try to be nice and tell her to lose weight in kind ways (I’ve asked her to train for a triathalon with me), but she’s convinced that she’s built like Marilyn Monroe and doesn’t need to work out.

Maybe she’ll figure it out in a few years.  And maybe you will too!!

Good luck!

By cathline bridges on 06/18/2009 9:37 am
John Lee
You couldn’t be more right!  And for women who feel the need to defend letter writer because she is a woman, just pretend the letter and these critical responses were written by men and see if you would disagree.
By John Lee on 06/18/2009 11:17 am
phyllis Doyle Pepe

#1 Margo is a smart cookie––listening is key. Be more interested in whether you are going to find him interesting than whether he is going to find you interesting.

#2 Get yourself down to the local pet store, purchase four very cute gray mice––or snakes, snakes work well, too–– which you release next to the sleeping parents. Problem solved.

By phyllis Doyle Pepe on 06/18/2009 10:01 am
Laurie Morgan
Why does LW #1 have to have done something wrong?  She doesn’t have to be a perfect match for fifty or even two dates, just one.  The right one.  Perhaps she hasn’t met him yet!  This whole concept that daters should behave other than themselves in order to trap someone into liking their false personality leads to the kinds of divorce-leaning letters you have to answer later on.  You should be telling advice seekers that if you really want to find lasting compatibility, be 100% who you are while dating.  That doesn’t mean any of us doesn’t need to change or grow (for ourselves), but to initiate a change in order to "land" someone who doesn’t like you as you are is like burying a land mine in your own back yard.
By Laurie Morgan on 06/18/2009 10:12 am
R.J.B. Reed

LW has to have done something wrong because the only common thread in all her failed relationships is her.  Certainly not every relationship is going to lead to marriage (if she is the sort of person who wants to ultimately end up there) but the fact that not a single man who found her interesting enough to go on a date with isn’t interested in repeats says something…..  Generally you can go more than two dates with someone even if you’re not 100% compatible.

In any case, I agree that someone shouldn’t pretend to be someone they are not.  But, if someone is a jerk they aren’t going to land anyone unless they decide to change.  So, it’s not that they should pretend to be something they are not, it’s that they should change who they are *if* they want to enter a successful partnership with another person.

By R.J.B. Reed on 06/18/2009 10:30 pm