Dear Margo | 06/17/2009 11:00 pm
Dear Margo: Wondering Why the Guys Don't Call Again
Wondering Why the Guys Don’t Call Again
Dear Margo: I am a pre-law student who is intelligent, articulate, caring, outgoing and fun to be around. The problem is that I believe that because of some of my qualities, I am never asked out on dates … or if I am, I get ditched by the second or third date. Guys that have liked me become less interested and never call back. A platonic male friend (10 years older and married) told me I have an intimidating personality because I am smart, attractive and know what I want from life. I don’t understand how this could be a deterrent to so many guys. Am I expected to dumb myself down and give up my goals so I can fit into someone else’s life better? I am not prepared to do this, but what can I do differently? — Rejected in the Midwest
Dear Rej: Girls and women who are good-looking, smart and know what they’re about actually are man-magnets. (Don’t ask me how I know this.) I think the only guys who feel intimidated by these qualities are nebbishes, and I can’t imagine your school’s male population is composed solely of the neb variety. By all means, do not dumb down; then you would be flying under false colors. Without being a fly on the wall when you’re on a date, I have no way of knowing what it is that’s going off the rails, but it has to be something. Is there a chance you’re being too aggressive? Perhaps ask a close girlfriend if she has any ideas. The only blanket suggestion I can make is to be a good listener.
"They" find themselves endlessly fascinating, and it is commonplace for a man who has talked about himself all night to then tell a friend how really interesting his date was. There’s also the possibility that you’ve been shopping in the wrong aisle. Try giving a guy whom you might initially write off a chance. For what it’s worth, I have found an inverse proportion between good looks and smarts. (Note to handsome guys: Don’t bother writing to complain; there are exceptions.) — Margo, historically
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Dear Margo: I live with my boyfriend in a small studio apartment in Switzerland. We have a happy life together; he studies at the university and I just landed my first real job. My boyfriend is Swiss and has parents who are very involved in his life. This is fine with me, except when they want to come visit. They always insist on staying with us in our 400 square foot apartment, claiming it’s cheaper for them. I find this ridiculous, as they are both retired teachers, and in Switzerland that means you are financially quite stable. Am I being unreasonable? How do I politely tell them that I don’t want them cramming on top of me every time they want to visit their son? Keep in mind, this has to be translated to German. — Cramped in Zurich
Dear Cramp: I don’t think you even have to worry about translating your request into Deutschen because I don’t think you should be making the request. Your freund should be the one to step up to the plate and tell his parents that it’s really not comfortable — for anyone — to have four adults living like sardines, or sardinen, in their language. You don’t sound unreasonable to me. In fact, I’m trying to visualize four people, one bathroom, a tiny kitchen and what? Two air mattresses on the floor? With luck, you can find an inexpensive bed and breakfast or a small hotel not too far from you. — Margo, sensibly
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Letter 1
I think that intelligence, charm, and success are attractive to most all humans, so I don’t find myself believing that these happen to be off-putting to the particular circle of men the LW has dated. I suspect that her platonic male friend might have not told her the whole truth: all those things are accurate and wonderful….but….there’s this one thing…..
Most of my friends in life have possessed the same fantastic qualities as this young LW. The ones who had real troublegetting repeat dates always had some personality, physical, or behavior quirk that got in the way. I think of one friend in particular who was all of the above and more, but incredibly spastic in social situations. I had another pal who was all that and more, but extremely overweight.
My point is that this young lady is indeed probably all she believes herself to be, but she’s going to have to ask a close friend or two (both male and female) for the honest low-down. If she is willing to hear, and they are willing to be forthright, she can identify the real issue standing in the way. I guarantee you there is a real issue there.
Letter 2
For those of us reared in deep-South, old Southern ways, we are generally expected to accomodate close family from out of town. I can’t speak to the whole South, but it’s quite common here to put people up if they are immediate family. I think the real issue might be that she’s not crazy about her boyfriend’s parents so far. I don’t know if they are weird, hard to communicate with, or just cramping her style. For this particular letter writer, a hotel might be best if she’s not going to be able to keep a smile and be a happy hostess. I do believe that this is an issue that needs to be worked out while they are dating. Instead of writing to an advice columnist, her best bet would be some serious heart-to-heart with this man she loves. She may not get her way, or she may. The key is to talk it out and come to a compromise of sorts.
Hi Rejected, As a fellow smart, strong and intimidating (their word, not mine) woman, I say be yourself and hang in there for the right guy. I went through the every same thing (you can add tall and radio personality to that mix, basically assuring that men were terrified.) I finally consulted my guy friends and that was the answer that I received. On the other side of the coin, I had a sister telling me to dumb it down a bit. That was never an option:) I note that you are from the mid West…consider looking in different arenas where you might meet a different style of guy…it really does vary! Remember to never ever settle!! Best of luck! BTW, I was married in March!
As usual, I’ve enjoyed reading all the responses here, and I agree with many of them; I’ve tried to synthesize them with my opinions for one cohesive response for letter writer #1 to (hopefully!) read:
Since your friend is older and married, he has probably never observed you on a date, nor does he think of you as “dating material.” He’s probably flattered you asked for his opinion (most people are flattered to know their opinion matters to others), and he gave you his best theory. His theory sounds good to you because (a) it has gained social acceptance as an accurate theory because it is so widely-repeated; (b) it places the blame on the men you’ve dated instead of possible flaws/habits/behaviors in you; and (c) it corresponds to your view of yourself. However, this doesn’t mean his theory is accurate; as Margo points out, “Girls and women who are good-looking, smart and know what they’re about actually are man-magnets.”
Another observation I had was that you mention “Guys that have liked [you] become less interested and never call back,” but you don’t mention whether you liked any of these guys. I am shy and don’t go out much, and I was usually so happy to have someone showing interest in me that I automatically accepted dates/relationships, only to find that I wasn’t really interested in the guy. If this happens on your dates, either because you aren’t compatible with the guys, or possibly because you compare them to yourself and find that they aren’t as intelligent/articulate/goal-oriented/whatever and therefore aren’t interested, the guys could be sensing your lack of interest in them (even if you’re being nice) and backing off.
Other posts have suggested that you may, unintentionally, come across as aggressive or conceited or too intense. Are you announcing your good qualities, or letting them shine through? We’re not saying you should dumb yourself down or give up goals, but I hope you’re not going on about intense life goals on a first date. The first date is a time to find out what you have in common, so if he’s a super-focused college student then talk about courses and tests or your future, but otherwise think topics like music, sports, hobbies, movies/television, etc. And as Margo and other posts suggested, be a good listener and give your date time to shine.
Also to Letter writer #1: Remember that (as other posts have said) you don’t need ALL of your dates to go fantastically; your goal is to find ONE great guy (or at least one at a time, since we know that not all relationships are blessed with “happily-ever-after), so don’t be upset with yourself (or the guys) if a first date leads nowhere. I also recommend following the advice of other posts here that say to be yourself; pursue your interests; engage in activities where you will meet people with similar values/interests/goals; and (since you believe you know yourself pretty well) figure out what qualities you would want/expect/value in a guy. ***The MOST IMPORTANT thing I would ask you to remember in your quest for a guy is that you need to find someone with whom you are COMPATIBLE and COMPLEMENTARY, NOT IDENTICAL.*** The perfect guy for you may not be who you expect.
As an example, I’m an intelligent, hard-working perfectionist (Valedictorian of High School class, National Merit Finalist, accepted to Princeton University—though I didn’t end up going to school there, etc.), a college student pursuing a Bachelor’s of Science degree in Computer Science, and an employee in the administrative office of a Real Estate company. My fiancé dropped out of community college but learned a trade – he’s an electrician. He’s not as intelligent or goal-oriented as I am, but he’s just right for me. Examples: He helps me relax when I start stressing, he (caringly) sends me to bed when it’s late and I’m tired but I think something “has to be done NOW,” and in turn I help him manage his money and take care of the house. I often don’t understand what he’s saying when he tells me what he did at work, but I listen, because he listens when I talk about writing programs or dealing with real estate commissions. We have similar interests, the same core values, and qualities that complement/help each other. Your story may be very different from mine, but eventually you’ll find someone who is perfect for you. Good luck! :)
#1 I would recommend taking a "likeability" quiz. This quiz is based on research of personality attributes that correlate with likeability. All the skills can be learned. The quiz is on a website related to a book by Tim Sanders, called "The Likeability Factor."
http://www.amazon.com/Likeability-Factor-L-Factor-Achieve-Dreams/dp/1400080495
A reviewer says:
"The big idea of this book is that being likeable is extremely important because:
"The choices you make don’t shape your life as much as the choices other people make about you."
"People make choices using the following three steps:
1) Listen - people can chose to listen to you
2) Believe - people can chose to believe you
3) Value - people can chose to value what you offer
"Likeability affects all three.
"There are four elements of likeability:
"1) Friendliness. Friendliness is the threshold of likeability
2) Relevance, how you connect with another person’s wants or needs
3) Empathy (not sympathy)
4) Realness or authenticity. Lack of realness, like lying, hypocrisy, or insincerity can suck your L-factor down.
"The second half of the book covers raising your L-factor. While I will probably not get a leather "L-factor Journal" and carry it with me at all times, or repeat my "friendliness mantras" every morning, I found this part of the book the most fascinating. The exercises to raise your L-factor are not simple, and require quite a bit of introspection. I’m not remotely a soft skills touchy feely guy, but I really enjoyed the last part of this book.
The Quiz:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:JV7XeqKI4nQJ:www.destinationmarketing.org/images/resource_center/T202_L-Factor_Quiz.pdf+Tim+SAnders+%2BLikability+quiz&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari
FYI: The quiz mentioned above has two parts - the positive aspects - and on page 2 - the negative aspects. You have to subtract your unlikeability score FROM your likeability score. So even if you have a charming social personality but exhibit all sort of private negative behaviors it brings your score way, way down. It’s an eye opener, that’s for sure.
Its just my opinion (and I know this has already been stated enough) that the woman in letter one has a real ego problem. I think if she has what she wants (as stated in her letter) all figured out then she probably sets her sights on men she thinks should be into her and has the shocking realization after a date or two that she can’t control other peoples emotions and reactions.
I say take a chance and try a different sort of guy or don’t go to every date expecting it to turn into a long term relationship. Loosen up and don’t expect so much from the guys-after all not many guys want to get tied down to someone so seriously while still in college.
#1) It took me a long time to find someone I was truly compatible with, and yes, there were a few toads along the way. I was a "smart girl". Not "pre-law", but often labeled "dangerously intelligent". I was always, and still am, an excellent listener. I am also reserved (read "shy"). I got my fair share of attention, but I found that men usually underestimated me simply because I am not a left-brain, inductive thinker. I am more the intuitive type, and I have a BS meter that functions flawlessly. A lot of people, not just men, don’t like that. I think it is best to find someone who is on an intellectual par with you, but that doesn’t mean that you need to flaunt your assets. That is off-putting. Nor should one "dumb-down" as that is false advertising. I agree with those who counseled for listening a bit more. If you are a logical thinker, you will be able to analyze, hopefully to your satisfaction, what has been revealed by your companion’s stories, while giving them the opportunity to speak. If you are more intuitive, there is much you can learn from nuances of speech, body language and facial expression.
As far as assessing yourself for physical attractiveness, and finding for yourself on the plus side, there is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Given the writer’s immediate list of her positive qualities, perhaps she is tending toward the latter, which can be intimidating in either sex.