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Dear Margo | 05/27/2009 11:00 pm

Dear Margo: Praying He's Not Out at Home

A woman’s boyfriend broke her heart on many levels. Does he deserve a second chance? Margo Howard’s bright advice …
Margo Howard

Praying He’s Not Out at Home

Dear Margo: I am 49 and fell in love with a beautiful man two and a half years ago. Nine months into the relationship, after we’d already begun to talk about marriage, I discovered that his divorce was not yet final. I was sorely disappointed, and his explanation was that he had been confused about the whole process, believing that he was legally divorced with only the financial settlement remaining. My instinct told me to run, yet I felt compassion for him because his wife had abandoned him. Soon afterward, being devastated by her departure, he had a relationship with a subordinate at work. Though it was over when we met, it seems she felt that they should get back together. Needless to say, when she found out he had moved on (they work together every day and he continued to take her out to lunch), she became enraged and called me, saying he was still trying to get her to marry him … along with a few other ugly proclamations. He denied it all, though he realized he should have told me about her. By this time, he had already moved up to two strikes in the first year of our relationship.

He has suffered from depression, and I feel much of his unacceptable behavior can be attributed to his poor mental state in the years after his wife left. He is on medication now and is committed to making our relationship work. I’ve left him on more than one occasion, but he has begged me to remain with him and give it a chance. He broke my heart and trust on many levels, and I am not convinced he won’t have other lapses of judgment. I fear at my age it may take a very long time before I find another man with whom I feel so intellectually and physically compatible. Yet I am on the fence. Can someone who’s screwed up ever learn, or am I taking a huge risk by staying with him? I know no one can foresee the future, but what do I base my decision on? — Seeking Answers in Los Angeles

Dear Seek: I would stick around and see if there’s a strike three. Granted, he has made some boneheaded moves, but the things he’s done sound like one-off slipups. (And just FYI, in some states you can get divorced while leaving the settlement to be worked out later.) Because you say he is begging you to give it a chance, and given that you find him wonderfully compatible, play your own private game of baseball and hope for a home run rather than a third strike. — Margo, patiently

Do We Blackball the Groom?

Dear Margo: My niece is getting married this summer. My husband and I do not like the guy she is marrying, and we feel it would be dishonest for us to attend because we do not support the union. My sister, needless to say, is extremely upset by this and feels we should go no matter what our feelings toward him are. Margo, this guy is an animal abuser (we’ve seen it firsthand) and has cheated on my niece multiple times. Should we bite the bullet and go, or stick to our guns? Any guidance will be greatly appreciated. — Conflicted

Dear Con: Attending a wedding does not signify approval, and nuptials are not a referendum. People go to weddings out of friendship for either the bride or groom or their families. (If approval were a criterion for attendance, some weddings would have precious few guests.) I suggest you go to offer moral support to your sister — and your niece — and gloss over the fact, just for one day, that the guy is a loser. — Margo, supportively
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Constance Plank

#1

So, how many strikes does it take until he’s out?  This needs to be a question you decide with your head, not your heart.  And since it will be your needs that are, or are not fulfilled in this relationship, you need to figure out the amount of strikes, and stick to it. It doesn’t matter what I think, or your mother thinks, or your friends think.  It matters what you think.  (Notice I said "think", not "feel.")

I would give this guy one more chance, but at the very next instance of a bone-headed choice, lack of honesty, you-fill-in-the-blank, I would leave him.  There’s the thought in the back of my mind that just because his ex-relationship calls you to say (essentially) that you are the other woman, doesn’t mean that she’s lying.  He says he was still taking her out to lunch.  Hello?

My soon-to-be-ex was charming and very compatible at the beginning.  While I would never unwish my children, I excused more things than I should have at the beginning of the relationship because I loved him so much, and because each individual action was excusable for one reason or another.  However, in retrospect, I should have run, run, run away.  Very far away indeed.  I found myself married to a man who no longer was charming, whose actions & comments I found reprehensible, and who had the personal responsibility of a newt.  (I apologize for the defamation of our amphibious friends.)

On a personal level, I am waiting until I am healed from the long, lingering death of my marriage before I start dating, as I want to meet my future possible partner from a position of health and strength, versus neediness and weakness.   As I’m not there yet, I’m not dating.

It concerns me that your boyfriend is making commitments while deeply depressed. For lack of a better phrasing at this hour of the night, who will he be when he feels better?  And, will he want you? Will you want him?

#2.

It’s not your wedding.  It’s not about you, or your opinion of the groom. Your job is to come, smile, congratulate, and pose for pictures.  If/when the marriage breaks up DO NOT SAY "We never liked him" as that will make her feel stupid in addition to heart-broken.   Say that you are very sorry, and ask how you can help her. 

Denigrating a loved one, or ex-loved one is never a wise move.  You don’t have to lie and say you thought he was a great guy.  But silence is golden.  There are some things in this world that shouldn’t ever be said.

Cheers,

Constance in the Sierra Foothills

By Constance Plank on 05/28/2009 1:05 am
Beth S
Constance, your third and fourth paragraphs could have been written by me. It’s somehow nice to know I’m not alone in going through this (makes me feel less stupid), but I’m also really sorry I’m not alone in going through this because I know just how bad it is and wish it on nobody. The slow-motion death of a marriage really bites. I wish you and me both a lot of peace. (And newts are cute, personal responsibility defects aside.)
By Beth S on 05/28/2009 4:59 am
Elizabeth Parrish
Constance: wise and compassionate words. Godspeed to you.
By Elizabeth Parrish on 05/28/2009 5:36 am
kaira hundy

Constance, I think we were both married to the same guy!

My opinion on #1 is forget that guy! He´s likely lying about more than you have already discovered. Two strikes is enough. Let the guy go and figure out his own problems, because he is already making his, yours.

RE#2- I always believed that those in attendance (witnesses) at a wedding hold a certain responsibility to help the couple succeed at fulfilling and keeping their vows. If you can´t support the union, don´t attend as a witness.

By kaira hundy on 05/28/2009 5:47 am
Sandbee (FB) 54
Kaira - no, not the same guy, there are just too darn many of them out there, I found one of them too.  (Maybe there is a group that they come from?)
By Sandbee (FB) 54 on 05/28/2009 8:52 am
r t
I wonder about that myself… and reading that bunches of women give the man a second, third, forth… try and that I’m not the only one - makes me feel better! I think women tend to stay too long. Sometimes out of not wanting to be alone. I am doing the same as Constance, I don’t feel like dating for a while - so I am not. When I feel like it, then I’ll start looking for someone new.
By r t on 05/28/2009 12:38 pm
Elizabeth L

so true #1 let it be feet don’t fail me now run baby run and don’t look back.

#2 go to the wedding and remenber not to say I told you so when this marriage goes south.

By Elizabeth L on 05/28/2009 6:50 am
Tana Goodwin

1. I agree, this needs to be decided with your head and nothing else. I know there is the old wisdom of 3 strikes an out, but for  me 2 strikes is enough. Why keep on waiting for the third strike? Clearly you don’t trust him any longer or you would not have written this letter. A relationship without trust is doomed to fail.

2. This wedding is not about you and your likes or dislikes. Stop it! So you don’t like him. Please remember this is the bride’s and groom’s day. Don’t spoil it for them with your negative attitude. Go and smile and help make this a wonderful day for them.

By Tana Goodwin on 05/28/2009 11:22 am
Andrea Brandon

Ltr#1:  Are you kidding? Get out of denial and run as fast as you can. You might also want to explore why you would be attracted to an emotionally unavaible man.

Ltr#2:   I cannot imagine anyone in my family dating an animal abuser, much less marrying one. My family is hard-wired for sniffing out people who harm animals. If by chance one slid under the radar screen and was marrying a relative, we’d probably all scratch his eyes out before the wedding.  But playing along with this story,  if I knew the groom abused animals, I would be sure to collect all information I could, in addition to plenty of literature on this disorder and give it to her before the wedding. I would explain to her that I could not attend the wedding  and why. I would also tell her that my home would always be open to her [without him] if she decided to leave. 

By Andrea Brandon on 05/28/2009 1:20 am
Tana Goodwin
How did that slip by me? An animal abuser? Anyone who will abuse an animal will, sooner or later abuse a human. This is a major danger signal and the bride to be needs to be made aware  of this. Nevertheless if she decides, knowing this, to marry this man you need to go. Again, this is not about you. Help make the day a happy one.
By Tana Goodwin on 05/28/2009 11:32 am
r t
They say (whoever they is… ) that Serial Killers (or killers in general) start with animals and then move on to people. They start with something small enough that it can’t defend itself and then move up to people. If he can’t feel for an animal - how can you be sure he feels for you? If you have proof of his abuse, show the bride. You don’t have to walk up to her and say he did this, but a picture does say a million words … says the owner of numerous animals.
By r t on 05/28/2009 12:36 pm
Nancy Pea
again andrea you come thru with good advice. everybody else is go to the wedding and suck it up. but some ppl just cannot be accepted. would you accept a murderer or child molester in the family? hell, no! what is the difference in one abuser over another. the poor girl has blinders on.
By Nancy Pea on 05/30/2009 4:11 am
Nancy B
Andrea said it better than I could in regard to the Letter 2 groom (animal abuser) why attend the wedding if you do not have good feelings about this guy or of the things he does. To show up would connote approval and no tjust support for the bride and family.
By Nancy B on 05/28/2009 3:00 am
Elle Troy

#1: Margo is WAY off base on this one!!! The guy has already struck out - multiple times.  Why keep giving him more chances?  Trust your gut.  He’s demonstrated to you with his behavior that he’s not trustworthy nor is he truthful.  What else does it need to take?  Use your head and protect your heart.  You already know what to do.

 #2: Attendance at a wedding DOES signify approval, so, why not just send a nice gift and your regrets?

By Elle Troy on 05/28/2009 4:57 am
Sarah Berry

Letter One: Depression can cause you to do some pretty stupid things, true, so if he’s been in therapy — or is willing to go — another chance doesn’t seem like a bad idea. Neither does marriage counseling or individual therapy of your own to deal with the understandable trust issues you have with him.

Letter Two: I think I’d be regretably unable to get the day off work or conveniently ill a couple days, including the day of the wedding — and act very regretful and send a lovely card and a token gift. That way you keep family harmony *and* your principles more or less intact. If you have evidence that the groom-to-be has done something illegal, make an annoymous call to the police or Animal Control, or annoymously send photos or whatever to the police station along with his name. I just wouldn’t say anything to the sister or the niece because if the niece hasn’t changed her mind yet, it’s doubtful anything you say is going to do it.

By Sarah Berry on 05/28/2009 5:07 am