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Dear Margo | 10/30/2009 12:15 am

Dear Margo: When Idiot Strangers Speak

Margo Howard

When Idiot Strangers Speak

Dear Margo: Why do people feel the need to make comments about unusual numbers and sexes and looks of families? I am a mother of three daughters, one son and a stepdaughter. Invariably, when we’re out, someone makes a comment. Before the birth of my son we would hear, "That’s a lot of weddings" and "Are you going to keep going until you get a boy?" People would actually ask me if I wished one of my children were a boy! When I found out my fourth child was a boy, I began dreading the inevitable, and sure enough people did not disappoint. "Finally got that boy, huh?" I am so thankful to have my children and would have loved them no matter what the sex. Other mothers of large families also tell me of times they’ve been told, "You have your hands full" or "You already had a boy and a girl, why’d you keep going?"

People also comment on my children’s looks … which one they find more aesthetically pleasing and their heights and age differences. A co-worker of mine who has a biological child that appears to be of a different race always gets asked if she’s the child’s nanny. And all of these comments are made right in front of the children. Please remind your readers that families come in all different sizes, colors and ages, and that a simple "You have a beautiful family" will suffice. — Lucky To Have My Children in N.Y.

Dear Luck: What can I tell you? Some people are dumb and think it’s fine to say whatever they’re thinking. I believe a suitable way to show your displeasure with such inappropriate musings would be to knit your eyebrows together, give them the fish-eye and say nothing. Sometimes silence is a killer. — Margo, responsively

Taking a Break and Waiting it Out

Dear Margo: When I began dating my boyfriend, he would remark occasionally that he would never love again, that he had no heart to give anymore. His ex-girlfriend, whom he was with for four years, did quite the number on him when she dumped him. I was hurt to hear him say those things, and now, nine months later, I realize it might be true. He’s admitted he doesn’t love me, but that he "cares." He’s not very tender, he doesn’t like to kiss, and he has never hugged me (the only exception being when we lie in bed to watch TV, he puts his arm around me).

What doesn’t make sense is that while he has admitted to not being in love with me, he can be caring and thoughtful. He claims to be a very emotional person, but I have never seen any evidence of that. He is sweet, a gentleman, brilliant and entrepreneurial, and has taught me a great deal, both intellectually and emotionally. I am stupidly in love with him, but I am desperate for someone to hold me and tell me they love me. I have no idea what to do. I have never felt this way before, but knowing that he doesn’t love me has left me broken. — Downtrodden in Florida

Dear Down: I sympathize with your dilemma. It sounds as though this man has much to recommend him, but he has basically told you he doesn’t have it in him to love again. I suspect he won’t feel this way forever, but for now the situation is no good for you. Perhaps suggest that you two take a break so he can figure out whether he needs you in his life. If you stick around with this arrangement, he will break your heart. — Margo, sensibly  

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Deanna F
I know from your old picture that you have at least one young child.

That was actually my niece I was holding in my old picture but- yes, I do intend on adopting. I’d love to have a big family but definitely don’t plan for all of them (or even a majority) to be my biological children. It’s just unfortunate that adoption is so expensive. I sometimes wonder if at least some of the people who have large families would have adopted, if it didn’t cost so much more than just having your own.

You can never be wrong.

Seeing as I already apologized about being wrong for assuming you were a Christian, your statement here is incorrect.

It is not "their" Bible. It is the Bible.

No, it is “their” Bible. There are several Christian Bibles out there. Most are similar enough that I wouldn’t need to know the denomination of the Christian in question to know what their Bible says, but some of them say vastly differently things than the others. I know that I certainly wouldn’t use the term “the Bible” if I were quoting KJV or NIV to, say, a Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness, because I’m honestly don’t know anything about the Bibles they may use. If those Bibles say the same thing, then we’re fine. However, if their Bibles differ, then I’ve given them an opening to say “that’s not what the Bible says” or “that’s not what my Bible says”.

Not to mention that I have discussed religion with people who have used phrases like “The Muslim Bible” instead of “the Koran”. Then there’s the added snag of me having friends who are Satanists to whom, if I said “the Bible”, they’d assume I was referring to The Satanic Bible or some other Satanic text (granted, not all of them, but enough to make it a pain)

Basically, it boils down to the fact that “your” is a neutral identifier that I’m assuming you took as an attack because you were already feeling defensive. Keep in mind that I cannot control how you read my words, only the way I type them.

So are you going to tell me that they aren’t Muslims that follow the Jihad?

I didn’t take umbrage to your assertion that there are Muslims that follow Jihad. The problem I had with your statement was the “many, many” part and the claim that there are more Muslim extremists than Christian extremists. If you make a wild claim like that, you need to back it up with some facts.

By Deanna F on 11/01/2009 11:11 pm
Lym BO

I feel like we are beating an old dog now.  It seems from where I stand that there may be as many Christian extremists as Muslim extremists. My problem is that their aren’t too many Christian extremists I am familiar with bothering anyone except their own followers, which isn’t okay either when it involves children…

Adoption is not that expensive. Especially if you are willing to adopt a non-Caucasian child domestically. Many agencies have sliding scales based on income. There is a  $10,600 tax credit per child adopted (changes every year by a bit). It does phase out if you are in the top 5% of income earners. That’s for a domestic or internat’l adoption.  Employers also pay some benefits. As do health insurance companies, but for the insurance company benefit, one has to be deemed infertile. Internationally, the cost varies greatly by country. As does one’s ability to adopt. Some require you be married or of a minimum age, some require a specific religious background. Some even base your validity as a parent based on your health risks.  The foster system is also a low cost way to adopt, but that comes  with a lot of other issues one has to weigh before delving in. I’m pretty sure based on your psots you wouldn’t be able to turn over a kid to an unfit parent. I couldn’t & it happens a lot. We had a really sad case here where twins were taken form their meth head parents at 2 mos of age. The parents basically stayed on the same route after jail and against the advice of three agencies the judge place the twins back with their bio parents who now had a new born, a toddler & the twins who were almost 4. Their whole life 2 mos-3y9mos was spent with loving family who wanted to adopt them. The bio parents lost it & beat the living shit of the twins over a period of a week, they refused to seek medical care for the boy, whom was was also molested & let him to die in agony over several days before they called 911 at the last moment. The girl lived & is now back with her foster parents who will likely adopt her. It was never determined who did the beatings, but the mother plea bargained to testify against the dad & got 15 yrs. (She filed for divorce).  He got 100 yrs. Now she has revoked the divorce request. These ppl had 8 children between them. Both whom they lost custody of prior to ever having the last 4. My heart just cries for these poor children who knew nothing but love, were thrown into mortal hell & I am sure never understood why they had to go there or why they were being punished. All because some judge & the system insists kids belong with their bios come hell or high water. 

By Lym BO on 11/02/2009 12:02 am
Deanna F
My problem is that their aren’t too many Christian extremists I am familiar with bothering anyone except their own followers, which isn’t okay either when it involves children…

I think it depends on how you define “bothering anyone”. I’d definitely consider things such as the money and effort the Mormon church put into getting Prop 8 passed last year in California to be bothering people who just want the right to live and marry peacefully. Christians in American (and people of many other religions- Christianity just much more prevalent in this country) tend to force their beliefs on others in subtle ways. They usually won’t kill you if you’re gay, but they will refuse to let you marry the person you’ve been in love with for 30+ years. I think the reason why Islam gets viewed, unfairly, as being very violent is because we get a lot of press coverage of Muslims killing each other, and other people, over the in Middle East due to their Islamic beliefs, but we don’t get nearly as much information about Christians in the 3rd world killing people because of their Christian beliefs. I think we just hear about violent extremist Muslims more than the extremists of other groups.

Especially if you are willing to adopt a non-Caucasian child domestically.

We do have a program in my city that allows you to adopt infants domestically and it does have a sliding scale but I’ve always been a bit leery about it. We have a drug problem in my city and I’m worried about the health and developmental problems that could come with a baby born drug-exposed. I know that even when you have your own bio kids you can’t guarantee they’ll be healthy, but I’m just not sure I’m willing to take that much of a risk. Then there’s the “hair issue” if I adopt a black baby (which is stupid and petty, I know. But I worry that it would be a huge issue- hair is such a large part of the culture and I absolutely suck at it)

There is a $10,600 tax credit per child adopted (changes every year by a bit)

Unfortunately, if I’ve read the tax law correctly, it only applies against the amount of tax you owe and you can’t actually get any money reimbursed back to you from this credit. Which kinda sucks ;_;

Internationally, the cost varies greatly by country. As does one’s ability to adopt.

Oh boy, does it ever. I’d really love to adopt internationally (I figure that, as screwed up as the foster care system is in our country, getting dumped out of an orphanage onto the streets when you’re 16, like what happens in some places, is slightly more horrible. Unfortunately, it’s only a very slight difference) but the cost is very prohibitive. As are some of the requirements- especially regarding single women and lesbians. There are some places that require single women to sign a pledge of heterosexuality and even though I’m 99% sure I’ll be a single mother throughout my life, I’m not going to lie about my sexuality. That definitely limits my options.

I’m pretty sure based on your psots you wouldn’t be able to turn over a kid to an unfit parent.

You are very correct there, and that’s one of the reasons I’ve never really considered fostering. The thought of falling in love with a child and then giving them back to someone who has a history of abusing or neglecting them would break my heart. I’ve, of course, thought about adopting from the foster care system, but I’m pretty set on at least adopting (or having) an infant or toddler first. I have little-to-no experience with kids and I worry that if I don’t experience raising a kid from very early on, that I won’t be able to recognize warning signs from a older child from the foster care system. Basically, if I don’t know what “normal” kid behavior is, how am I going to be able to identify “red flag” behavior?

All because some judge & the system insists kids belong with their bios come hell or high water.

That’s a horribly sad story and, unfortunately, it’s all too common. The system is so broke in most ways that it’s absolutely disgusting. And more than anyone, it’s the kids who suffer when judges don’t want to terminate rights- all because they want to give the bio parents “another chance”. I think getting the kids into a safe and stable environment should always trump hurting the bio parents’ feelings because you didn’t give them enough chances to stop being a crack head.

If you don’t mind me being nosy, which route did you go when you adopted your two kids?

By Deanna F on 11/02/2009 1:17 am
Nancy Pea
i guess you could say i’m one of those christian children that broke away from the mold (step mother was a fanatical/zealot jehovahs witness) and became a buddhist witch. yeah, i always had to be different. i was never allowed to have christmas, thanksgiving, hallowe’en, easter, 4th of july, etc. but i always wanted to celebrate them for the fun of it all. so after i got married to another JW at 17, little by little i moved away from the church. when my mother died i pretty much left for a while. but after my son was born i went back for a little while because i didn’t know anybody. my husband was very abusive and i had nobody but the church to really talk to. after my daughter was born we moved into the projects of san francisco and there i met a neighbor who took me under her wing and taught me about life. about the same time i totally stopped going to church and started celebrating the things i wanted to celebrate. i now ONLY celebrate the holidays as santa day, bunny day, scary day (even tho i have wiccan roots) and such. so you are right about that at least. but the only reason i ONLY celebrate them as something they are supposedly not is because i know the true origin of the holiday and christians have totally changed the date of when jesus was born, died and lived to suit pagan holidays they couldn’t abolish. if they were on the tradional days, then i might raise my glass in a toast. but they aren’t, so they are invalid to me. but i do respect others rights to celebrate them as they please and as the real thing. it’s their perogative, just as it’s mine to enjoy them my way.
By Nancy Pea on 10/31/2009 5:15 am
Lym BO
Great insight. I haven’t read much about it, but I thought no one really knows when the actual dates were. I know his birth was not in Winter. 
By Lym BO on 10/31/2009 9:56 am
Lynne Bucher
Fortunately, I’ll be dead long before another 100 years have passed.  And balancing the population isn’t enough reason for me, at 51, to try to have a baby (if it were even possible).
By Lynne Bucher on 11/02/2009 8:02 pm
Amy Cissell

I think that everyone is probably right - guy in letter #2 is not going to be the one. BUT, I was that girl once. My boyfriend & I had a fight after being together about a year & he said he was never going to love me, he was never going to get married, and he’d been irrebarably damaged by a past relationship (fiance left w/ no warning).

Tomorrow is our three-year anniversary - so at some point in our relationship between year 1 & year 3, he healed & realized that I wasn’t like his ex- and wouldn’t treat him that way. So it’s not ALWAYS a disaster. Just 95% of the time, probably.

By Amy Cissell on 10/30/2009 12:11 pm
Van Lee

Unrequitted Love…What a wonderful phrase! (sung to the tune of Hakuna Matata), sorry, my daughter is going through a Lion King obsession and my thoughts seem inevitably to come out in song. - Thank God, I’m self-employed! 

Seriously LW2, you’ll look back on this one day and remember "that infatuation with so & so that lasted almost a year."  Hopefully it will make you more sympathetic to the hearts that YOU will most likely break.  From your letter, you seem fairly young and normal, so just chalk this up as a learning experience that most people go through: The breaking of hearts (sung to Circle of Life).

By Van Lee on 10/30/2009 12:28 pm
Mina D

Wow, Annie T, do you tell families of multiples your world view? It sounds like you are the type of person LW 1 was talking about. One of the best things you can do for a child is to give them a sibling. My mom is one of 8 and my dad has a sister. When my grandfathers died, it was so difficult for my dad because he was taking care of everything himself (his mom is nuts along with his sister). My mom had 7 other people grieving with her and helping her out. Her younger siblings love being from a big family. My mom does not because she is selfish. 

I have an high functing autistic 3 year old. The day after she was diagnosed, I was in the super market with her. She had a freak out because I touched her to move her out of someone’s way. (If I touch her and tell her anything in the moment she freaks out. Even if I touched her and said we won the lottery she would freak.) Some old bag decidied to tell me what I should be doing to parent her, what this behavior means for our futures, how horrible it was for me to let my daughter act like this. I just told her my daughter is autistic, I thanked her, and told her to mind her own effing business. Now everyone that I know always tells me that I am a strict parent. I am. I can take my daughter to any resturant I want and she acts accordingly. Now that she is actually talking, we’re having a problem with talking back and we’re dealing with it. I don’t need to hear some old bag reiterate what I already know. Assuming that you know ANYTHING about a stranger or what they’re going through makes you an idiot. (Also if you go visit a historical reanactment and ask any of the following questions: Is the fire real? Is your baby real? Are you going to eat that? They wore all those clothes back then because they were dumb, right? And, my personal favorite; Look this is a cell phone, what to see how it works? Well, then you are an idiot!) I think there are hoards of idiots out there. They will always tell you what they think and they will never admit to being idiots. But, we have all said dumb things at one time or another. Learning when to shut the hell up is an artform.

By Mina D on 10/30/2009 12:36 pm
Annie T

Wow, Mina D, assuming that expressing an opinion in a blog is in direct correlation to how a person conducts themselves in social situations with strangers.

I don’t enlighten anyone to my opinions in person unless prompted. For example, when a woman with 4 children asks me why I don’t want children (and all of you moms who do this, please stop doing this), I ask her why it’s appropriate to ask me such a question, when it would be inappropriate for me to ask her why she wants the 4 children she has. Then when she smiles and tells me—oh you’re young and you still have "time!" as though no one would ever decide to be childfree by choice, I say—I do have plenty of time to do as I please, and don’t you wish you could say the same, what with your hands so abundantly full!

Anyone who approaches a stranger and intrusively offers unsolicited commentary (unless the person or someone in their care is being abused or is at risk of harm) is a social buffoon. 

And you should never have children to fulfill a purpose of caring for you when you’re elderly. That’s shallow and selfish, and children deserve better than to be born with a task to perform. You have children to give them a life of their own, not to serve as your senior care attendants. Plan for your own retirement and healthcare, rather than burden your children. It’s something every parent should consider before having kids. Because believe it or not, you can have a dozen children and just one sibling, or not one sibling, will take care of you.

Perhaps you’re deducing that your mother doesn’t love being from a big family merely because she’s selfish, or perhaps you know this for a fact. But some people enjoy their personal space, quiet, and resources to pursue interests. Unless the big family has considerable monetary resources, this is not typically a reality for its members. Choosing or wishing to be unburdened doesn’t equate selfishness. Those who have autistic children would probably not characterize themselves as unburdened. It is a lifelong challenge and one that requires endless sacrifice, love, and dedication. Perhaps you desire the luxury of selfishness yourself. I know parents of challenging children who do, and it’s understandable.

As for what I wrote about those who want a lot of children being shallow, it’s because for everyone I know who has fulfilled this desire, their motivation WAS shallow. So it’s a generalization stemmed from my specific frame of reference. It wasn’t the men who wanted large families, it was the women. Some wanted to quit their jobs for good, some wanted the associated lifestyle, some had a continual need to have someone need and depend on them. Not one of them wanted a big family because they came from a big family and loved all the love surrounding them. Kids I know from big families never wanted to do that to a kid. So for those who you have to have many children, are you really considering the impact on the children, or are you simply fulfilling a selfish need. Is it really fun for muliple siblings to fight for their parents’ attention, for resources, for time, for quiet and space. I didn’t have a bunch of siblings and I’m glad, because those I know who did, didn’t enjoy it. I loved having quiet and space when I wanted it, and friends over when I wanted it. I loved that my parents could afford to send me to prep school and grad school without question. I loved having my own clothes. I loved donating my time to worthy causes because my parents had time to show me its importance. I loved having a close relationship with them without competing with others or feeling neglected. When those things became a negative, I’ll never know.

By Annie T on 11/04/2009 6:54 pm
D L

LW#2 - The BF is saying that he will never love again. What he’s really saying is he won’t allow himself to love again. It is a choice he is making. Whether he really means he will never love again or if he’s just not-that-into her is a moot point. The reality is, she wants more out of the relationship than he obviously does. While everyone has the right to feel the way the feel, that should not infringe on other people’s feelings. If they were both just having fun, fine. But this is not the case here.

Downtrodden - you know what you have to do. If you want more, please know that this man is not going to give you that. May he want to in the future? Maybe ~ but that is a huge gamble you are taking, with both time and your feelings. Do you really want to be asking the same questions about love in a year, 5 years, 10 years? Believe me, I’ve been in a similar situation and it is just NOT worth it. All the energy you are putting into this relationship could be focused on some other area of your life, if not someone else. Yes, it will hurt once you make the break but you WILL begin to feel better about things in time. You are hurting enough right now and it is simply not fair that this man is doing this to you and that you are doing this to yourself. Don’t you think you deserve better, someone who loves you whole-heartedly and not someone who just "cares"? That’s great that he doesn’t want to see you hit by a bus but real love involves more than just being a gentleman and smart. Move on, Downtrodden. You’ll be glad you did!

By D L on 10/30/2009 12:40 pm
Terry Hathaway
LW#1:  If this guy "isn’t able to love again’ what is he doing in a relationship?  Doesn’t that strike you as a little, um, weaselish? 
By Terry Hathaway on 10/30/2009 12:54 pm
R.J.B. Reed
It doesn’t strike me as weaselish.  People enter into relationships for all sorts of different reasons.  Sex, companionship, loneliness, image, love, etc.  As long as he’s being honest, I don’t think there is a problem.
By R.J.B. Reed on 10/30/2009 1:43 pm
Brooke Schubert
In response to letter number 1, I agree that it’s amazing what people will say. I have a close friend who is the daughter of a lovely Cuban man and his Norwegian wife. She is the spitting image of her father and is a petite, dark haired hispanic beauty, and her full-blood brother is a carbon copy of their mother, a tall, thin blond, blue-eyed man who has done modeling work. They are a beautiful family, but growing up they were subject to mean-spirited comments constantly about how the kids can’t possibly be full siblings, and snotty questions about the kids’ “real” parents. Genetics are a crazy thing people, and someone else’s family is none of your business! Letter #2-leave him. It’s the only thing that’s fair to you.
By Brooke Schubert on 10/30/2009 1:41 pm
Lym BO
I have a friend with kids like this. I joked that her kids looked way less related than mine (adopted twins & two bios). Wonder if she is still mad/irritated about this… 
By Lym BO on 10/30/2009 1:54 pm