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Dear Margo | 10/29/2009 12:00 am

Dear Margo: This Was, Perhaps, an Ill-Considered Offer

Her alcoholic husband wanted to quit drinking ‘with a bang’ so he met with a stripper at a hotel and told his wife about it … Margo Howard’s bright advice

Margo Howard

This Was, Perhaps, an Ill-Considered Offer

Dear Margo: I honestly don’t know where to turn. I can’t share this information with family or friends, and my husband is so ashamed, he doesn’t want me to tell anyone.

Now 52, he has been an alcoholic since he was 14. When he decided to quit drinking, he wanted to go out "with a bang." I was so proud of him for his decision that I told him whatever reward he wanted he could have. He is also very sexual, and he wanted to go to a strip club and have an intense version of a lap dance. As it turns out, they can’t really do that on site. So one gal offered to meet us at a hotel. I didn’t think I could watch that, and I wasn’t at all interested in participating, so we set the ground rules of three things he could do, and he took a cab up to a local hotel to meet her this past weekend. Today we talked about the experience, and although he really didn’t want to hurt me, he felt he should be honest. They ended up doing everything a couple can do. He is hugely sorry and doesn’t want anything more to do with strip clubs, porn or being with anyone else.

I can’t tell you how much I appreciate him telling me what happened. On the other hand, I feel I am falling apart. I can’t stop crying, can’t stop visualizing. I just want it to go away. Do you have any advice for me? What do you think of this situation? — Desperately sad

Dear Des: Oh, my. When my husband stopped smoking, he went sailing with a buddy. Your guy certainly didn’t keep the "reward" bargain, but then again, that was almost predictable. The "visualization" problem is the downside of confessing, though in this situation, I think your husband did the right thing by telling you. Because this is complicated by your promise, and then your permission for "three things," I suggest you focus on the fact that he has stopped drinking. Years with an alcoholic husband have to be worse than, well, four things. Concentrate on his sobriety, and with time, the hurt will go away. — Margo, forwardly
 
A Married Man with Three Female "Pals" Half His Age?

Dear Margo: I have heard it said that jealousy for men is about the actual act of intercourse; jealousy for women is about the emotional connection her partner might make with someone else.

My husband has made emotional connections with three women, the oldest 10 years my junior. He and I have been married 15 years. He is a generous man and an excellent friend. I love him deeply. That is why I feel so angry. These girls call him regularly. Whenever I ask him to stop talking to them, he gets angry. He says I just don’t want him to have any friends. Well, I must admit, I don’t want him to have female friends half his age. Am I wrong to be upset? — Sad in Washington

Dear Sad: First, we would need to define "emotional connection." I do not know the level of involvement, but I will tell you this: It is neither routine nor do I think acceptable for a married man to receive regular phone calls from three girls, no matter what age they are. And from the length of your marriage, it is entirely possible your husband’s phone friends could be teenagers. His telling you that "you don’t want him to have any friends" is a defensive dodge. I don’t know whether he is a case of arrested development or is actually fooling around, but I would hash this out (with a marriage counselor, if necessary) and tell him he needs new friends or a new partner — one who is comfortable with all his outside interests. — Margo, explicitly 

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E .

L#1

Dear DS,

Margo’s advice is is very sensible and you’d likely do well to follow it.  I’ll add that you might consider having your husband examined by an MD to see if he’s picked up any "fleas" in the exchange with the stripper. Is he getting any counseling for the alcoholism - it should also be on his to do list.

As for you, well, if you are unable to stop returning to the rendezvous please seek some healing/guidance/therapy through whichever process is the best fit and most expansive for you.

Wishing you and your husband well,  E

By E . on 10/29/2009 12:21 am
erin machniak
I so very much agree with this, and also that is not a stripper but a prostitute and what happened was no accident.  Not on his part or the "stripper’s."  Being as jaded as I am I think that he’s probably just telling her as his own way with making peace on the promises he intends to break in the future.  You know, he was at least honest.  Yeah.  Heard that before.  Next time get him to keep the promise before the reward.  Sounds like this guy has her right where he wants her.
By erin machniak on 10/29/2009 3:53 pm
Constance Plank

#1:

Being the daughter of an alcoholic, and the soon to be ex-wife of someone who used both alcohol and drugs, I’ve seen bunches of broken solemn promises.  I think Margo is being extremely polite in her response!  If the husband goes out with more of a *bang* after years of alcohol abuse, and didn’t keep the lap dance promise, I don’t think you can count on the alcohol promise.

In fact, such a promise is really easy to break for the alcoholic.  It’s what they solemnly wish to do. Can’t you possibly take the intent for the deed?  Nope, I couldn’t, either.

Addictions are very hard to deal with for the addicted person, and for the family.  I recommend starting to log the promises physically.  That is:  Write them down in a note book.  Make a daily check of where you stand.

In my experience with my family, promises were made to be broken.

Meanwhile, have the two of you tested for HIV, etc.  It’s in your own best interest. Every sexual partner your sexual partner has had, you have had sex with in terms of infection.

Constance
By Constance Plank on 10/29/2009 12:25 am
Karleen S
I don’t think I quite understand the need for a "reward" for something you’re supposed to do anyway.  I remember not getting a regular allowance as a kid, and I reminded my dad that other kids got one for doing the same chores that I did.  My dad said that he’s not going to pay me for something I was going to have to do anyway.  It’s just my contribution to the household.  (He would give me spending money when asked.)  So, the man just isn’t supposed to drink.  IF, and that’s a big if, he could develop a sobriety track record, like after a year or five years, maybe it deserves some acknowledgement.  But a stripper on the first effort was a mistake when he hasn’t even proven he can keep one promise, not to mention three others.
By Karleen S on 10/29/2009 9:21 am
Emily Kallas

Spoken like someone who’s never been addicted to anything(I am not trying to be combative… sorry if it comes across that way).  :)

The reward system allows the addict to have something to look forward to, thus keeping them motivated to stay on track. Once the new behavior becomes 2nd nature, the rewards stop. Basically, this woman was a bit premature in her reward giving… the idea is to be quit for a while, and then get your reward. So now this guy has no reason to keep his promises to her.  

By Emily Kallas on 10/29/2009 9:50 am
Karleen S
Well, I did say that in the latter part of my comment.  ;)
By Karleen S on 10/29/2009 12:08 pm
Christi  Rader
I agree, you wouldn’t pay someone before they did the job would you? Addicts are infamous at making promises and not keeping them. I know I’ve lived through it. The lies keep going and going and going. And why on Earth would a wife give a jusband basically an excuse and oppurtunity to cheat? She put herself in this situation and now she’s sad. It’s her fault!
By Christi Rader on 11/12/2009 9:05 am
E .

L#2

Dear S in W,

"Am I wrong to be upset?"

No, you are right. 

Wishing you clarity,  E

By E . on 10/29/2009 12:28 am
Van Lee

LW1 you made your bed, now clean the sheets and lie in it. Or perhaps in your case get new sheets. Seriously, why didn’t you reward him with this after 1 year of abstinence instead of intent? You cooky gal.

BTW, don’t be surprised if this "sexual" man starts becoming less so without the booze.

LW2 invite all the new "friends" over for dinner, if Hubby is uncomfortable with this somethings up. 

By Van Lee on 10/29/2009 12:39 am
Allen Overall
for letter 2 I’m thinking the wife is just jealous she doesn’t have all her husbands attention.. She doesn’t say he’s going out of the room to talk to them or she caught him talking inappropiate. So i’m sure the husband wouldn’t mind bringing them over for dinner.. Sometimes as a couple people will just have they’re own friends and thats what it looks like 
By Allen Overall on 10/29/2009 3:51 pm
Harriet Shoebridge
For the wife, living all those years with a practising alcoholic was living the life of an enabler, in her case, fancy word for ‘mummy.’  So, when mister went out and fooled around and then came home feeling bad, well, ‘mummy’ did what ‘mummy’ has been doing for years, she took care of business, cleaned up the mess, and made his boo-boo go away.  As for the husband with the younger female friends, well, if he has to have three other women to talk to … forget about the age thing … then he’s not getting much in the way of communication from the wife, or so he thinks.  Either way, this man is not treating his wife very nice and she has to decide whether to go along with this or do something.  My daughter is in her twenties, going back to school after a few years of ‘living’ … and I tell her, and she listens … no one is going to take care of your life but you.  Maybe the wife of Mr.Friendly needs to hear these words.
By Harriet Shoebridge on 10/29/2009 12:42 am
Toni Duprey

In my experience (I was married 13 years to an alcoholic who was always going to recover - it is now 10 years later), the drunk has traded one addiction for another.

He knew this was what he was going to do in the first place and announced it to his wife.  He will eventually spend every penny he makes on hookers and strippers.  And guess what? Where there are strippers, there is booze.  So much for the recovery. 

He’s a bastard, bargaining his way out of giving up alcohol. Sorry sweetie. 

Mine went through this cycle. Sometimes he would be good for a few weeks, or months, and once for a year.  But bargaining bastards always end up with the bottle because they love it more than they love you.

Al-Anon (not AA) was formed for the families of alcoholics and this is where this woman should run not walk. They will share with you the danger signs of a willing drunk.

Just to be clear I use "drunk" because "alcoholics" don’t usually choose to hurt their families the way this man did. It’s usually just a side affect. He’s a mean drunk and he did this to punish her for thinking he was a drunk. Which he is.

By Toni Duprey on 10/29/2009 12:53 am
Lin Cercone

Oh my goodness, please somebody tell me "am I losing my mind"?     

Did I actually read that a wife said YES to her addicted husband going to a motel with a stripper for a private lap dance?  AND now she’s upset?

"they can’t really do that on-site." 

So a sleazy strip club has higher standards than this couple.  AND now she’s upset?

I’ve written before on how gullible and/or pathetic some women are when it comes to putting up with men’s crap, but "this takes the cake".  AND now I’m upset.

I’m too upset to respond to Ltr. 2 right now.  I need a drink.

By Lin Cercone on 10/29/2009 1:19 am
Margo Howard
You do make a good point ….
By Margo Howard on 10/29/2009 9:22 am
Kristana Dunn

no, you aren’t losing your mind.  this woman is behaving like a classic enabler.  I hate to sound all pop psycho babble, but she’s been functioning like this her whole marriage, possibly her whole relationship w/ him or even her whole life.

 I agree w/ the poster who suggested she run to her nearest Al-Anon meeting.  If she goes and pays attention then she’ll not only learn to recognize when her husband is serious about getting sober and when he’s playing her but she’ll also learn quite a few things about herself, how not to contribute to his self destruction, and learn to know when it’s time for her to walk away.

By Kristana Dunn on 10/30/2009 9:04 am