Dear Margo | 10/29/2009 12:00 am
Dear Margo: This Was, Perhaps, an Ill-Considered Offer
Her alcoholic husband wanted to quit drinking ‘with a bang’ so he met with a stripper at a hotel and told his wife about it … Margo Howard’s bright advice
This Was, Perhaps, an Ill-Considered Offer
Dear Margo: I honestly don’t know where to turn. I can’t share this information with family or friends, and my husband is so ashamed, he doesn’t want me to tell anyone.
Now 52, he has been an alcoholic since he was 14. When he decided to quit drinking, he wanted to go out "with a bang." I was so proud of him for his decision that I told him whatever reward he wanted he could have. He is also very sexual, and he wanted to go to a strip club and have an intense version of a lap dance. As it turns out, they can’t really do that on site. So one gal offered to meet us at a hotel. I didn’t think I could watch that, and I wasn’t at all interested in participating, so we set the ground rules of three things he could do, and he took a cab up to a local hotel to meet her this past weekend. Today we talked about the experience, and although he really didn’t want to hurt me, he felt he should be honest. They ended up doing everything a couple can do. He is hugely sorry and doesn’t want anything more to do with strip clubs, porn or being with anyone else.
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate him telling me what happened. On the other hand, I feel I am falling apart. I can’t stop crying, can’t stop visualizing. I just want it to go away. Do you have any advice for me? What do you think of this situation? — Desperately sad
Dear Des: Oh, my. When my husband stopped smoking, he went sailing with a buddy. Your guy certainly didn’t keep the "reward" bargain, but then again, that was almost predictable. The "visualization" problem is the downside of confessing, though in this situation, I think your husband did the right thing by telling you. Because this is complicated by your promise, and then your permission for "three things," I suggest you focus on the fact that he has stopped drinking. Years with an alcoholic husband have to be worse than, well, four things. Concentrate on his sobriety, and with time, the hurt will go away. — Margo, forwardly
A Married Man with Three Female "Pals" Half His Age?
Dear Margo: I have heard it said that jealousy for men is about the actual act of intercourse; jealousy for women is about the emotional connection her partner might make with someone else.
My husband has made emotional connections with three women, the oldest 10 years my junior. He and I have been married 15 years. He is a generous man and an excellent friend. I love him deeply. That is why I feel so angry. These girls call him regularly. Whenever I ask him to stop talking to them, he gets angry. He says I just don’t want him to have any friends. Well, I must admit, I don’t want him to have female friends half his age. Am I wrong to be upset? — Sad in Washington
Dear Sad: First, we would need to define "emotional connection." I do not know the level of involvement, but I will tell you this: It is neither routine nor do I think acceptable for a married man to receive regular phone calls from three girls, no matter what age they are. And from the length of your marriage, it is entirely possible your husband’s phone friends could be teenagers. His telling you that "you don’t want him to have any friends" is a defensive dodge. I don’t know whether he is a case of arrested development or is actually fooling around, but I would hash this out (with a marriage counselor, if necessary) and tell him he needs new friends or a new partner — one who is comfortable with all his outside interests. — Margo, explicitly
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OH FRANK: You sweet talker you.
If your partner dictates when and if ever - you must be a real treat in the sack.
Lin: I don’t have a partner. I’m here sitting alone. I have a gal coming over tomorrow night. Wednesday I had a different gal over. Sometimes we go out, sometimes we don’t. Diana already told me shes cooking tomorrow. Nobody dictates anything. As far as being a treat in the sack. Lets just say they’ve all been here before.
Oh Frank:
Let’s just say, ‘We’ve all been there before’.
Frankie Boy, I think it would be great if you could get in touch with your feminine side. However, if your right hand is busy tonight, maybe you could use your left!
HEY FRANKIE:
A LITTLE DEFENSIVE - AREN’T WE?
OR
Oops, I got caught with my hand in my pants - and I don’t like it.
That’s Fine Frankie: I just won $80. on your obvious response. Out of 5 women, only one gave you more credit than you deserve. She too, will probably be cooking dinner for some lazy guy in the next day or two.
My Body is My Business!
Enjoy, Bon Appetite!
P.S. Hope your hand is o.k.
For an alcoholic who truly desires to quit for his/her own sake, the reward for quitting drinking is sobriety. For an alcoholic who quits for any other reason, no reward is going to be sufficient to make it worthwhile to him/her to stay sober.
It’s not the same as giving a dog snausages to teach him to sit, stay, and roll over.
#1 I really feel compassion for this woman. Her love and desire for her husband to be sober, she sounds like she was willing to agree to whatever intent he put behind becoming sober. On the other hand, I think he played upon this knowing in return for living out a fantasy, he could always fall off that wagon later and she could not take this from him afterwards. If he doesn’t stay sober, I would say leave. How much more could she give him in chances and shallow agreements. Many drunks would line up to take a wish being fulfilled and worrying about staying sober later.
#2 My brother-n-law has always had female friends, they are like family in thier home, but are just friends. My sister has never worried they were anymore than friends and they have a strong marraige. Male or female, a wife can sense if the friend is bad news to thier home, family or relationship. Gender alone should not be the dividing point in friendships either way.
The general response to letter number two bothers me.
I suspect that if a male had written in that his wife had male friends and he wanted her to stop talking with them, there’d be a bunch of people accusing him of being controlling.
Her letter doesn’t seem to indicate any cheating. The "emotional connection" she mentions seems to be that they’re close, as friends, and she doesn’t like it. As some other people pointed out, that’s insecurity.
Now mind you, I’m speaking as someone who does get jealous of her partner’s female friends. There’s one in particular that I don’t like, because I know she’s interested in him. I also know that he’s extremely loyal, and I trust him. And I know she’s honorable enough to respect that he’s not on the market. I’m jealous nonetheless, but it is an insecurity thing, and I know that. He deserves to have his friends, regardless of their gender. On the flip side, I was friends with a male (who incidentally was about twice my age) who was interested in me, but we never did anything at all; we were friends and nothing more. And my partner was jealous, but again, he knew we were just friends. (We’re no longer friends because he moved and we fell out of touch, not because my partner was jealous.)
So to me, saying that you should demand your partner give up his friends or give up you is pushing it. Therapy should be sought, yes, both to see why she’s so insecure and why he’s unwilling to comrpromise to make her happier, but I don’t think he should be forced to give up his friends.
I’d like to share something I was told years ago regarding addicts.
"How can you tell if an addict is lying? His lips are moving."
The reason a 12 step program has the best success rate is because it requires the addict to be totally honest with himself and others. An addict is almost incapable of dealing with reality and will escape into one fantasy after another, change from one addiction to another, etc. The stripper was just another addiction in the making.
The other addiction is the wife’s, she’s addicted to the addict. Get Help.
#1: Huge mistake on your part even allowing him to meet with a stripper in a hotel, alone. If it’s not something he can do with you there, then he shouldn’t be doing it. The end result of this situation falls into the category of human nature. You can’t put a young kid in a toy store without them wanting something for themselves. If you don’t want the kid to insist on a new toy, you don’t take them shopping for a gift for someone else. Consider this a life lesson. Be thankful that he was honest with you and feels horrible about it. That is a sure sign it won’t happen again. Also be thankful he is no longer drinking. My father was an alcoholic and my ex still is. That is no way to live. Get outside help if you need to, but I believe you can save your marriage.
#2: I smell a big rat. Yeah, my BF gets the occasional call from a female co-worker or his supervisor at home, like maybe once every few weeks. Those conversations are short and to the point, they are also taken with me in the room. Totally acceptable. The only females he hears from “regularly” are his daughters and sister, also totally acceptable. One co-worker was calling almost nightly, drunk off her behind, crying because her husband and son were in jail for drugs. I calmly told him that I didn’t like it. For one, this was cutting into our time together. Two, she might take his friendship the wrong way which could cause problems at work. And three, it was the same sob story every single time she called; she refuses to take an active part in cleaning up her own life and doing what she has to do. Dealing with a person like that gets on the nerves and is not worth the time. So………….if your husband isn’t respecting your feelings and putting a stop to these calls there is a whole lot more going on than he is telling you. What was not mentioned was if he leaves the room to talk to them. That would be a huge red flag.
You’re being a bit unkind I think. If his co-worker was calling for some sympathy and advice I think it’s rather flattering that she felt able to call your husband. You could have invited her over for supper and made a new friend.
Also you say your husband only has regular conversations with his sister and daughters. Fair enough - but not every man does have a sister or daughters. Should he be barred from friendship with all women other than his wife forever? No wonder people get divorced!
OK, I’ll agree with you that the coworker sounds problematic since they were just coworkers without an established friendship and since (if we believe you are being truly honest about her) she sounds like an emotional leech, draining attention and sympathy. I wouldn’t want to deal with that regardless of gender, and I hope you would have reacted the same way had it been a male coworker. However, limiting your husband’s relationships with women to his daughters and sister seems rather insane. Do you really view all other women in his life as threats? Or is it the idea of him having close friends in general that bugs you? Honestly, were the gender roles reversed, we’d all be screaming that this insistence on isolation is a warning sign of abuse. While I think one should respect their spouse’s feelings and attempt to assuage their insecurity, I do not believe in feeding someone’s dilusions. As long as he isn’t hiding the friendships and doesn’t attempt to prevent his wife from meeting them, what’s the problem?
My best friend is a guy I dated years ago, but who I now consider to be my brother. (I try to block out the memories of that phase of our relationship because it feels so weird and creepy.) We probably talk either on the phone or online at least every other day; I see him about once a week. Half of those times, his fiancee is there, the other half we get together to argue politics, law, and football, stuff she could care less about, as well as do the normal best friend venting. This reassures her that nothing’s being hidden and still gives us a chance to hang out without the third-wheel aspect. For the most part, she’s been very cool about it all which makes me like her more and gives me greater respect for their relationship than I’d have if she was pressuring him to ditch close to a decade of friendship. In fact the only time she does get at all insecure is when small-minded, mean-spirited people attempt to convince her to be so because they can’t imagine men and women being friends. Personally, I feel sorry for people who think like that. They dismiss half the population as potential friends, just because of gender, instead of looking at them as individual people. It’s the same sort of mentality that breeds racism, just on a lesser scale and more socially acceptable.
Addiction is all about control, and what alcoholic wouldn’t want to believe that he can quit and stay off the sauce? Bargaining with his wife about a reward sounds like another control game, and if I were the wife, I’d opt out of playing. "It’s wonderful that you want to quit! I wish you luck. And if you want to reward yourself, that’s up to you. I’ll help you celebrate your first month of sobriety."