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Dear Margo | 07/03/2009 12:00 am

Dear Margo: A Real Mess of a Love Affair

These parents are worried about their daughter’s relationship with her married boss … Margo Howard’s bright advice
Margo Howard
A Real Mess of a Love Affair

Dear Margo: My daughter began a relationship with her boss, who was married with six children. This man is 11 years older and was in a position of authority when they met. She is now divorcing her husband, and he has separated from his wife, who has left town. What can we, as parents, do to convince her of the potential danger to her children of such a relationship? This man has since lost his job over this affair. His wife is angry and won’t allow him access to his children. He is now unemployed and has lost his home but continues to have a relationship with my daughter. We are desperately trying to convince her to end this relationship. What do you think? — Heartbroken Mom and Dad

Dear Heart: I think your daughter may imagine that she has "won." How long that will last I do not know, for if she totes up the win/loss columns, her boyfriend has lost his job, his children, his house — and they’ve both lost their spouses. I frankly don’t believe your daughter’s thoughts are centered on her children, so that argument may not do you much good. I suspect the bloom could be off this rose sooner than you think, but only time will tell. Alas, in situations like this, parents’ concerns and experience don’t count for much. The best you can do is be there if things really blow apart. — Margo, regretfully

When You Feel as Though Norman Bates Is Your Supervisor


Dear Margo: I left a wonderful job six months ago to start a new position. Alas, the grass is not greener and I find myself in weeds. To start from the top, I noticed that when I moved my car to a different company lot, within days my supervisor’s car would end up in the same lot as mine. Second, I was in the kitchen preparing tea, and he walked in, looked me up and down and said, "Has anyone discussed the dress code with you?" I replied, "No." He said, "You’re dressed OK" and walked out. He follows me out of the office if I go to get water, to see what I’m doing. He is always in my cubicle — just to say good morning or to look around my desk. I took some plants home to re-pot, and he reported that he assumed I’d quit. I returned to work on Monday ready to redecorate my cubicle and my hard drive was missing. He accuses me of not doing an assignment one moment, then praises me the next. He notes every moment I’m away from my desk and whether I take my keys. Our HR department does not call this harassment or stalking, but I know I’m not crazy. Can you tell me what this is? His previous supervisor told me that he was "hard to work for and with." Actually, he is creepy, and I am ready to quit my job. — Frantic

Dear Fran: If HR doesn’t see it your way, try to get yourself transferred to a different department. If that is not a possibility, go back to HR, or higher, and lay it on the line: This man is paying far too much attention to you, and if they cannot alleviate the situation, you will have no choice but to look for another job. You do not have to live with this squirrelly guy as a supervisor. — Margo, determinedly
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48 Reader Comments (so far…) Sign In or Register to comment

Truth1746
LW2 needs to document, document, document!! everytime this happens. If his former supervisor has made the comment he’s difficult, it usually means he’s been transferred from another department, and HR is afraid of him too. 
By Truth1746 on 07/03/2009 12:58 am
NancyPea
truth, you certainly stated the truth. why should LW#2 have to quit just because the HR is being stupid. she should consult an attorney about laws in her state and about harassment. she could always set up a small movie camera in her office, but i think she would have to tell him it’s on. her best bet is to tell him that what he is doing is making her uncomfortable and go to his superviser if it continues. but the attorney can advise her best and just because ONE person in HR says it’s not harassment, just sounds like somebody trying to pass the buck or outright lie about it to put her off. i bet what was said to her is BS and they know it. but try to prove they said it. next time ask what is considered harassment by the company from HR in WRITING. anybody can say anything, but putting it on paper that’s the difference. because a verbal agreement is as good as the paper it’s written on, EXACTLY!
By NancyPea on 07/03/2009 4:52 pm
ConstancePlank

#2  First document the interactions for a week.  Date, time, etc.,  in your own hand-writing.  Address your concerns to HR in writing, and keep copies.  Meanwhile, get some legal insurance.  Have the legal insurance lawyer write a letter to your HR department.

HR does not always work to the benefit of the employees (surprise!)  It’s amazing what a letter, especially from a firm that has the first third of the page all be lawyers affiliated with the firm,  will do to make the receiver pay attention.  Yes, this is stalking.

And, look for another job.  

Constance, in the Sierra Foothills

By ConstancePlank on 07/03/2009 2:06 am
phyllisDoylePepe

The problem with looking for another job is that there are no other jobs to be had and he is darn lucky to have the one he does. His recourse is to document as you stated and proceed accordingly. Norman Bates seems tame compared to this guy––as Jim Carry says in "Mask"—CREEEEEPY!

1# MARGO––you say in your reply that you don’t think the daughter in this case is concerned about her children. There is no mention that she has children–-only that her lover has six. There are enough problems in a relationship than to complicate them further with divorces, lost jobs, six children––love gets tied in a much bigger knot that ends up choking you. Not much parents can do, but be there for their daughter when she’ll need them. And she will need them. 

By phyllisDoylePepe on 07/03/2009 11:42 am
JenniferMc

phyllis: in the original letter, the parents ask "what can we, as parents, do to convince her of the potential danger to her children of such a relationship."

By JenniferMc on 07/03/2009 12:25 pm
phyllisDoylePepe
Thanks, Jennifer—missed that completely. Wonder how many SHE has?
By phyllisDoylePepe on 07/03/2009 1:33 pm
JenniferMc

yeah, i thought about that myself. it’s a bit of a worrisome situation all around, i think.

By JenniferMc on 07/03/2009 1:46 pm
DebbieLearman
I agree…anything documented will also hold up in court.
By DebbieLearman on 07/03/2009 2:11 am
AmyGorin

Gotta say, if he "assumed she’d quit" when she took her plants home, it’s likely that was because other people have quit before.

I had a boss once who used to follow me into the bathroom to make sure I was really going. These people don’t get better.

By AmyGorin on 07/03/2009 2:16 am
AndreaBrandon

Ltr #1:    Don’t say anything more. Just be there when, as Margo put it, “things really blow apart.” 

Ltr #2:    If your boss has been there for some time, I believe it’s unlikely that HR will be your advocate.  Even if they were to give you a position in another department, if it’s in the same location he may still get in your face. You will still be walking on eggshells. Just do your workdocument everything [on your home computer, not on the office computer] and search doggedly for another job.
By AndreaBrandon on 07/03/2009 3:04 am
LaurieMorgan
Instead of either wringing their hands or waiting to clean up this woman’s mess like accomplices, LW 1 could express disapproval of their daughter’s actions and refuse to support them.  What she and the married man have done is wrong.  Don’t support that, for goodness sake.
By LaurieMorgan on 07/03/2009 3:17 am
Reader117

If children weren’t involved, I would whole-heartedly agree.  But turning your back to the daughters sins may only serve to punish the grandchildren. 

I’m in a similar situation with my own sister.  While it’s not an affair, there are definitely some things going on that I’m less than thrilled with and I’d like to wash my hands of the entire affair.  Except, to walk away from the situation my sister has created would not punish her, but would be abandoning my niece and nephew, who I think are going to need all the family support they can get.

By Reader117 on 08/14/2009 11:44 am
LC4

Ltr 1  You reap what you sow.

This man has loss his wife, children, home and job. Your daughter’s marriage has ended. I doubt if things will continue to be rosy between them.

 I see lots of resentment and blame aimed at your daughter by her former boss.

 Love your daughter but do not support her behavior.

Ltr 2

Document! …  Document! … Document! … I cannot stress this enough. You’ve notified others verbally now do this in writing and keep copies for your records. You can go over the heads of HR. Notify your union if there’s on. Find outside agencies to contact for support. You do not have to continue to subject yourself to his harassment. It’s against the law.

This supervisor has a reputation for harassing and intimidating others. He has been responsible for other employee resignations. It’s time he gets the boot! … He’s obviously enjoying his force sense of power.

By LC4 on 07/03/2009 4:04 am
BarbaraByrnes

I’d like to recommend that LW1 (and actually, many of the women who write to Margo here) find and read this book:

Living With the Passive-Aggressive Man; Coping With Hidden Aggression - From the Bedroom to the Boardroom, By Scott Wetzler PH.D.

Chapter 10 is titled: The Mine Field - the Passive Aggressive Man at Work.  
The book is available for online reading of excerpts at google books.  I can pretty much guarantee that some of its content will be a revelation, and only wish that I had discovered it years ago. Best of luck.  
By BarbaraByrnes on 07/03/2009 4:27 am
LinCercone
Ltr 1:  Sounds like your daughter is an adult, so what can you do.  If he left his wife, lost his job, home, kids - What else can go wrong?  Who knows, maybe they really love each other.  I would suggest you NOT interfere, accept the situation.  Who knows, maybe if she doesn’t have to defend him or their relationship, (he) it will lose its appeal??? 
By LinCercone on 07/03/2009 6:53 am