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Dear Margo | 10/15/2009 12:00 am

Dear Margo: Phone Sex in the Office!

Margo Howard

Phone Sex in the Office! 

Dear Margo: I have a contract position — very much needed after six months of unemployment. I’m doing a good job and get on well superficially with my supervisor. Here’s the problem: I am required to sit next to a 40-something schmo in an office with very low cubicle walls. He has easily audible sexual conversations with his multiple girlfriends and either doesn’t realize or doesn’t care that they are overheard. These are conversations describing how what she did (explicit) felt (explicit) exactly where on his body (explicit) during their lunch hour. I wear earphones and listen to soothing sounds to calm my nerves, but when he really gets on a roll, I go to the bathroom or the coffee machine. But there is only so much time you can spend away from your desk.

My co-worker on the other side, also male (but 25), is incredulous because he can hear it, too. As a contractor, I can be let go for any reason, with or without "just" cause. I can’t complain to HR. Bigmouth and his supervisor are big buddies. I feel trapped, demeaned and altogether furious when this occurs. I really try to keep my head down, ears closed and fingers busy on the keyboard, but it gets unbearable! Is there any solution? — Grossed Out

Dear Gross: Why can’t you go to HR? Or your supervisor? Such conversations not only have nothing to do with work and should not take place on company time, but they’re a form of harassment. This is nothing more than dirty talk in the workplace. I would not be so afraid of this lowlife. You could tell him, yourself, that he may not be aware of it, but many people in the office can hear these lascivious conversations, and no one appreciates them. I suggest you man up, to coin a phrase. If no one chooses to deal with the problem, you have a lawsuit. — Margo, righteously  

Children and Death 

Dear Margo: I know you hear of many sad things, but this surely has to be at the top of the list.
My wonderful sister (33) recently lost her husband to cancer, and in addition to her own grief, she has three young children (8-year-old twin girls and an 11-year-old son) who are confused, sad and lonely, and who I fear have no real understanding of what "gone" is. It is heartbreaking, and I would love to help my sister and her children, but I don’t know how. Grief counseling, to my knowledge, does not deal with children. Do you have any suggestions for me? It is hard to watch people I love living through such a dark time. — Distraught Aunt

Dear Dis: My best suggestion would be a book recently released that is meant for guiding young children through the death of someone close to them. It is "A Parent’s Guide to Raising Grieving Children." The authors are Phyllis Silverman and Madelyn Kelly. The publisher is Oxford University Press. Silverman is a pioneering researcher who ran the largest study ever done on bereaved children, and Kelly, the mother of two young children, lost her husband in the second Iraq war. (Mike Kelly was the first journalist to be killed, and I knew them both.)

These women met and decided to put what they know between covers. Both were deeply concerned for children experiencing loss and wanted to offer something of value to others. It was through their shared interest that this useful and supportive book was conceived. It is excellent. I seldom recommend books, but in your sister’s situation, I can think of no better guidance. — Margo, restoratively

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kermie b
With all due respect, Margo, you haven’t the faintest idea what it is like to work as a temp in an office and should not be giving advice on that subject.  Temps are easily replaceable.  The guy with the disgusting conversations could very well be doing that to get rid of the temp—I have seen worse behavior.  HR will get rid of the temp and the guy might get a slap on the wrist.  Might.
By kermie b on 10/15/2009 12:58 am
Margo Howard

Alas, you are right on all counts.

 

 

By Margo Howard on 10/15/2009 11:17 am
Baby  Snooks
If she’s a good temp the agency won’t want to lose her and will probably just find her another position in another company. And may not place another one at this company.  Hers may not be the first complaint.  Many of the employment agencies are seeing their temp divisions becoming their bread and butter again and that bread and butter is the worker, not the employer. Those who think its the employer will find at some point that there is little bread and butter on the table. 
By Baby Snooks on 10/15/2009 11:47 am
Linda Myers
There are some differences between temp and contracting. In contracting, the head hunters or recruiters seek you out for positions you have an expertise for and I am sure there are companies out there who do treat contractors with respect, with the intention of hiring at a later point. Temps usually sign on with an agency for jobs either long term or short term without contracts between the person and the employers for a specific amount of time. Temps have more flexibilty.
By Linda Myers on 10/15/2009 4:42 pm
camb 94

LW#1: I realize that this is wrong, but I’d love to see it.  Tape his conversations with a tape recorder and then broadcast them "anonymously" in the office.

I know you can’t really do that, but it would almost be worth losing your job just to see the embarrassment on his face.

By camb 94 on 10/15/2009 1:30 am
Dona Howlett

Hi Camb 94…………

I was just thinking the same thing………….tape the conversations.  At least if it ever came to a head she would have proof of his bad behaviour…I would think Sexual mis-conduct would apply  to any kind of employment.

Perhaps she could get advice from a short visit to an attorney. Use the internet to find a blog where legal advice is offered for free.  I just know if I were in this position I would first tape (I would tape several occurrences of his calls)and then figure out a clever way to use the information without endangering myself.

By Dona Howlett on 10/15/2009 9:35 pm
Laura Ward
You wouldn’t be breaking federal laws or in Texas if you’re taping it from your desk. But you cannot leave your desk and keep the tape running. A recorder with a USB port to insert in your computer is best. Each state has different laws. I consulted an attorney and gave the tapes to different branches of government.
By Laura Ward on 10/15/2009 10:29 pm
Anne McElvain

Back in ‘91, I headed a department of phone support techs, mostly male, and we were situated next to the accounting department, mostly female. At 4:30 pm every day, a buxom blond in a mini skirt dropped off her mail at the PO Box across the street, and my department started laughing and making lewd comments about what they would like to do with her.  My boss screamed at me in front of the entire company that my department was sexually harassing the accounting department, and exposing him to a lawsuit.  I had to tell the boyz to tone it down. I was the only one written up about it, even though I succeeded in ending the daily "event" as soon as it was called to my attention.

The stakes are really high when you’re a contractor, especially if you can’t afford to wait 2-4 years to resolve a lawsuit, and your "at will" employment is completely tenuous. There is no HR "due process" protection for contractors. No benefits, either. Companies love to have contractors because it frees them from HR expenses, paperwork, and any kind of commitments.  In a down economy, laying off massive amounts of full employees and replacing them with contractors allows companies to abuse employees without recourse.  This is the kind of employment most of us will be facing in the future, at least for the next 3-4 years.  God help us all.

By Anne McElvain on 10/15/2009 1:39 am
Violet P
This is the worst kind of abuse.  I temped with a few agencies years ago and was never mistreated or subjected to horrible office environments as described in these posts.  Frankly, I would raise it with the placing agency and request another assignment.   
By Violet P on 10/15/2009 10:42 am
Leigh Hart

Having been a temp I can attest that you can feel at the mercy of the company you are working for, but it’s a good fit with future opportunities or it is not. You also have talents they find valuable and don’t have in house and need for at least 6 months.

But I also know that a good temp is a valuable commodity for the temp agencies as they are judged by the quality of personnel they can provide. 

I recommend the woman speak to the supervisor since she has a good relationship there. She should start by talking about how much she enjoys their relationship and working there. Then she should say that there is a an awkward situation that she’s unsure of how to handle. She can delicately explain it in a way to communicate that it makes her uncomfortable, but first and foremost emphasize that it is distracting and not allowing her to be as productive as she could be without the distraction. She can state that she’s not encountered the situation before and wanted some advise. Depending upon how that plays out she may have to go to the agency through which she is contracted. They do not want to be responsible for keeping their employee in a sexually hostile working environment. They are the ones who should speak with HR if it gets to that point.

By Leigh Hart on 10/15/2009 1:40 am
Sarah C
Actually she said her relationship with the supervisor was good on a "superficial level" and that the jerk and the boss were buddies.  So this probably wouldn’t work.  Sounds great otherwise!
By Sarah C on 10/15/2009 4:26 pm
Baby  Snooks
If she was placed in this company by an agency, she should contact the agency and let the agency handle it.  She might also talk to an attorney. Sounds to me like the company would be better off without this man and, if he defends him, the supervisor. If nothing else, the agency may be able to find her something else. I’ve learned the hard way in life that the best solution to some things is to move on. As quickly as possible.
By Baby Snooks on 10/15/2009 4:49 am
A R

First, I advise her to begin discreetly searching for another job. Meanwhile, she could contact a lawyer who works with labor issues and have a chat about what her "rights"  as an independent contractor are. I would not approach this wretch about it unless a lawyer says that she needs to for her own documentation purposes. 

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think she can win here in the long run, especially if nasty mouth and the boss are pals. I do think her best bet is ultimately to begin a new job hunt in earnest.

By A R on 10/15/2009 6:27 am
Cindy Marek

Letter #1: That really does take the cake. How self-important is this jerk? And what a sense of entitlement. I wonder if his x-rated galpals know he’s being overheard? This seems a pathetic form of exhibitionism (well, all sexual exhibitionism is pathetic — but this is over the top). I guess your only options are to take Margo’s advice, or grin and bear it. I can’t fathom…

By Cindy Marek on 10/15/2009 6:28 am
Cecile Tunstead

I wonder if his x-rated galpals know he’s being overheard?

This comment made me think, while he is on the phone with one of his conquests, she should walk over to him, grab the phone off of him and let the caller know the call is being broadcast over the whole office.  If he was any kind of a man he would grin and bare it and not complain to her supervisor - since he was in the wrong in the first place.

By Cecile Tunstead on 10/15/2009 6:56 am