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Dear Margo | 10/15/2009 1:00 am

Dear Margo: Phone Sex in the Office!

Margo Howard

Phone Sex in the Office! 

Dear Margo: I have a contract position — very much needed after six months of unemployment. I’m doing a good job and get on well superficially with my supervisor. Here’s the problem: I am required to sit next to a 40-something schmo in an office with very low cubicle walls. He has easily audible sexual conversations with his multiple girlfriends and either doesn’t realize or doesn’t care that they are overheard. These are conversations describing how what she did (explicit) felt (explicit) exactly where on his body (explicit) during their lunch hour. I wear earphones and listen to soothing sounds to calm my nerves, but when he really gets on a roll, I go to the bathroom or the coffee machine. But there is only so much time you can spend away from your desk.

My co-worker on the other side, also male (but 25), is incredulous because he can hear it, too. As a contractor, I can be let go for any reason, with or without "just" cause. I can’t complain to HR. Bigmouth and his supervisor are big buddies. I feel trapped, demeaned and altogether furious when this occurs. I really try to keep my head down, ears closed and fingers busy on the keyboard, but it gets unbearable! Is there any solution? — Grossed Out

Dear Gross: Why can’t you go to HR? Or your supervisor? Such conversations not only have nothing to do with work and should not take place on company time, but they’re a form of harassment. This is nothing more than dirty talk in the workplace. I would not be so afraid of this lowlife. You could tell him, yourself, that he may not be aware of it, but many people in the office can hear these lascivious conversations, and no one appreciates them. I suggest you man up, to coin a phrase. If no one chooses to deal with the problem, you have a lawsuit. — Margo, righteously  

Children and Death 

Dear Margo: I know you hear of many sad things, but this surely has to be at the top of the list.
My wonderful sister (33) recently lost her husband to cancer, and in addition to her own grief, she has three young children (8-year-old twin girls and an 11-year-old son) who are confused, sad and lonely, and who I fear have no real understanding of what "gone" is. It is heartbreaking, and I would love to help my sister and her children, but I don’t know how. Grief counseling, to my knowledge, does not deal with children. Do you have any suggestions for me? It is hard to watch people I love living through such a dark time. — Distraught Aunt

Dear Dis: My best suggestion would be a book recently released that is meant for guiding young children through the death of someone close to them. It is "A Parent’s Guide to Raising Grieving Children." The authors are Phyllis Silverman and Madelyn Kelly. The publisher is Oxford University Press. Silverman is a pioneering researcher who ran the largest study ever done on bereaved children, and Kelly, the mother of two young children, lost her husband in the second Iraq war. (Mike Kelly was the first journalist to be killed, and I knew them both.)

These women met and decided to put what they know between covers. Both were deeply concerned for children experiencing loss and wanted to offer something of value to others. It was through their shared interest that this useful and supportive book was conceived. It is excellent. I seldom recommend books, but in your sister’s situation, I can think of no better guidance. — Margo, restoratively

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LindaMyers
#1 When you are contracting, you cannot go through the usual channels, because technically you do not work for the company, so everything has to be filtered back through the company you contracted with, and as a rule they will do nothing because they do not want to jeopardize thier relationship with the client over one disposal body that can be replaced tomorrow, which leaves you in a catch 22 to either deal with it, or leave and lose your job. Been there! You are at the disposal of the "permenent employees" and they take full advatage of it. I put up with it for six months of some incredible abuse, tried to get some help, and learned my lesson about contracting. As a contactor she has very little recourse other than maybe talking to the guy and letting him know it makes her uncomfortable, and then count on maybe some decency on his part.
By LindaMyers on 10/15/2009 1:31 am
susifuschia

Hmm.. I find it’s best where possible to deal with these things through humour. Humour and solidarity. First of all, when the guy has finished his call, stand up and say loudly to him"Wow, Lover Boy that was some conversation! How lucky are you? Are people paying you for those calls?" Laugh loudly and go off chuckling to yourself. Wait a couple of days, then when he does it again stand up and say to him (and everyone with earshot) "Can you put that on loudspeaker? love to hear what she’s saying!". Do it with a big exaggerated wink and in the next breath ask him if he’d like a coffee.

That way, next time he does it he’ll either be embarrassed and keep his voice down or will realise it’s become a joke and play up to it, in which case other people will start commenting about how gross he is etc. Either way you’ll win. But smile in a friendly way and make that coffee. I’d say it will take just one week for a change.

Definitely don’t go to HR. They’ll fire you in one way or another for "causing trouble".

By susifuschia on 10/15/2009 8:38 am
LindaMyers

Any rebuttul would have been met with an offer to take leave, they were angry, many of the positions had been outsourced to India and the company was on the verge of being sold and mergered again, that I understood after having surviving five mergers where I had worked before. I finally spoke up in defense of one of thier employees who visibly had some disabilities and harrassed constantly. Not only about herself, but her boyfriend and child. The manager immediately contacted my contracting company and it all sild downhill real quick. It was actually a very scarey place to go into each day, something I had not experienced before. I can hold my own on a verbal or office level, but it went beyond the verbal. The company since has been sold twice and I took leave from the corporate world. I worked for a very long time as a Unix specialist, and decided I was done thinking like a machine anymore. Less money now, but a whole lot happier.

 

By LindaMyers on 10/15/2009 9:11 am
Margo Howard
Brilliant idea! Humor is always effective when well-used. And I have already heard from labor lawyers saying that being a contractor makes a complaint to HR impossible.
By Margo Howard on 10/15/2009 12:15 pm
DavidFleetwood

Glad someone let you know.  I’ve been a contractor for years.  You can’t complain to the company’s HR, they are not who you work for, and the agency you work for is in the service of the company, not in the service of the contractor.

 

That said, I would definatly speak up peroid, if the man has a problem with it he would have to admit what was going on in order to complain about someone speaking up about it.

By DavidFleetwood on 10/15/2009 6:04 pm
SmarterthanThat

Tape recorder.

Walk in with great ceremony and announce that you are using a tape recorder to log memos, etc. Let him know that it will turned on during the day, while you record your memos. When he starts in, grandly gesture towards the recorder as you push the record button.

 

By SmarterthanThat on 10/16/2009 11:50 am
AnaisP
Very smart, Smarterthan That! In many states, it is illegal to tape-record people without their knowledge or permission. However, your approach gives the skunk fair warning and the beleaguered employee the means to document his slimy comments. Hope the employee takes your advice and that it helps!
By AnaisP on 10/19/2009 8:48 am
LisaCornell
While I agree that humor can be the best way to deal with some thorny issues, there is absolutely nothing funny with this type of unprofessional behavior and I don’t think humor is appropriate or effective in this instance. HR is out for a contract worker and given the economy and the current disposition of the courts toward this type of sexual harrassment, it is doubtful she would prevail. My suggestion is to keep working and dust of her resume and look for a job with a company that respects it’s employees and one which has a zero tolerance policy toward this type of behavior.
By LisaCornell on 10/26/2009 10:43 pm
KarleenS

I would be interested in what she means by "contract."  There are independent contractors, who are hired to accomplish a goal and have scant restriction on how they reach it, such as workplace and hours.  And then there are temporary employees who work as other employees for a finite period of time.  If she is the former, she can alter her hours and where she does the job in order to avoid the dork.  If she is the latter, she has all of the rights of an employee and certainly can hold the employer to acceptable standards of conduct, even pursue available remedies if her "contract" is terminated because of her complaint.

There is a third animal that employers call "contract" as a way to avoid paying taxes.  The IRS has specific definitions that differentiate between contractors and employees, and if she has to do work as directed by the employer, during the hours directed by the employer, in the manner directed by the employer, she is an "employee" and they are responsible for the taxes.  It almost sounds as if she is one of these types of employees, which would mean not only is the employer misbehaving in enforcing legal standards in the office, they could also be liable for fines, penalties, and taxes.  I think it’s important to find out what exactly her status is before there is a firm approach the situation. 

Yes, I worked in naughty biz, but I have also been a very strong advocate for professionalism in the workplace.  Even when those paths crossed for me, I never allowed them to cross into my employment.  Here’s guessing once again that common sense just ain’t so common. 

By KarleenS on 10/15/2009 9:56 am
LindaMyers
I took the position on a eighteen month contract for hire, only finding out after I started the contract that no permenent positions would be filled due to the instable nature of the company at that time.
By LindaMyers on 10/15/2009 10:23 am
CarlaLibert
#2  Depending on the size of your sister’s city, they should have a grief counseling center at the hospital or hospice your brother in law was at.  Call Cancer Counseling (713) 520-9873 in Houston and ask if they can give you a lead for the kids or Bo’s Place (713) 942-8339 they deal with children’s grief also for help.  I dealt with both places a few years ago to deal with my daughter’s grief.  Cancer Counseling gave 6 gratis visits to a licensed counselor for each member.  I was able to give my sessions to my daughter and then we utilized Bo’s Place that give’s the surviving spouse a place to vent also.
By CarlaLibert on 10/15/2009 1:41 am
RachelSrebro
There is also an organization called Comfort Zone Camp that has bereavement camps for children under the age of 18. Based out of Richmond, VA, there are also now camps in NJ, MA, CA, and TX. The camps are mostly weekend-long camps and completely free! Children are assigned a Big Buddy, a volunteer who stays with them the entire time and is there to talk to them and do activities with them. I don’t work for the organization, I simply have benefitted greatly from the camps, as have my two sisters. When my father died almost five years ago, my two younger sisters and I felt strange and alone. The camp is great is that you meet other kids who have lost a close family member, but there are numerous group sessions (by age) where the grief is talked about. Besides that, the camp is also just fun, with kids just able to be kids and run around and all that. I highly recommend it! The organization’s website is http://www.comfortzonecamp.org/ if anyone would like more information.
By RachelSrebro on 10/15/2009 10:38 am
kristagriffin
That sounds like a wonderful place. Whoever started it definitely had their hearts in the right place. Sometimes I think children get left out in the cold when it comes to the loss of a parent. Often times, through no fault of their own, the other parent is unable to take on the responsibility of helping the child with their grieving process. Or in an attempt "to be strong" for the child try to squelch their grief, giving the child the wrong impression on how to grieve.
By kristagriffin on 10/15/2009 4:31 pm
LindaMyers
I had fist thrown down in front of me from a guy who did not want a call transferred that he should have taken, phone thrown off the desk from the same guy, a woman from another department tell me if I didn’t do what she said, she would find me and take care of me. Contractor that was fired for being an hour late when his mom was involved in a car accident and continually being either screamed at or reminded I was a "contractor" and I would do as the team lead said or else. Not a fun way to work. I finally quit and won unemployment against them for having to work in a place that was considered terroristic. Such is the life of contracting.
By LindaMyers on 10/15/2009 1:42 am
LegalEagle
Sounds like some places I have worked. It’s amazing how much abuse occurs in the workplace and the very few, if any, solutions to it especially when you are a contractor. Linda, you have my sympathy and my empathy because I have been there myself.
By LegalEagle on 10/15/2009 3:27 pm